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Post by jonfilby on May 29, 2014 23:09:47 GMT
At least when he gets a central contract, we know where we stand and any appearances from him, we treat as a bonus. What we then have to do, is use the money to find another match winning all rounder, no easy task. Until then we are somewhat handicapped, unable to call on the services of Chris Jordan, and not in the position to bring in a replacement mid season. It was not difficult to see this coming though and maybe more could have been done to offset the loss of two potential match winners, in Jordan and Panesar. It was actually quite difficult to be sure about CJ playing regular test cricket as early as this summer until very recently. I am not really sure what more you think could have been done within the constraints of our budget.
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Post by wally on May 30, 2014 0:53:50 GMT
At least when he gets a central contract, we know where we stand and any appearances from him, we treat as a bonus. What we then have to do, is use the money to find another match winning all rounder, no easy task. Until then we are somewhat handicapped, unable to call on the services of Chris Jordan, and not in the position to bring in a replacement mid season. It was not difficult to see this coming though and maybe more could have been done to offset the loss of two potential match winners, in Jordan and Panesar. It was actually quite difficult to be sure about CJ playing regular test cricket as early as this summer until very recently. I am not really sure what more you think could have been done within the constraints of our budget. To be fair mr Filby it was only just over a year ago that we signed Chris Jordan and as I recall you may have been the only message-boarder who thought it was a good signing.i recall many referring to him as a surrey reject and doubting he could be more than back up for Sussex. Amazing that anyone saw him as a test cricketer before last week.But I guess that is why Sussex signed Jon Lewis.
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Post by jonboy on May 30, 2014 7:00:27 GMT
Well that's it Jon, I, like most others on here, am not exactly sure of what our budget constraints are. None of us knew that Chris would be playing Test cricket for certain, but such was his meteoric rise, that it was a real possibility. Without the wickets of Jordan and Panesar, I don't think we are anywhere near as threatening. My concern was, that I didn't feel that our winter recruitment adequately covered what we were potentially losing.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 10:07:05 GMT
Yes, to be fair he only emerged as a likely Test match player during the winter and the Ashes debacle when Rankin, Tremlett and Finn all lost the plot. I think from Jan-Feb, it became almost certain that he would be vying with Bresnan and Finn (if he could refind his form) for a Test place. But Sussex had no leeway at the time within the playing budget to recruit a replacement; I think that is going to have to wait until October/November when he will surely get a central contract which will remove him from the Sussex payroll. At that point it will become possible - and vital - to use his salary to recruit another quality seamer.Lewis will be 40 next season, don't forget. Am I right in thinking that Magoffin's qualification staus changes in 2015 and we can recruit somneone else as the overseas player for the LVCC? Because I doubt we are going to find a replacement for Jordan domestically. By the way, Jon Filby was not the only person who welcomed Jordan's signing on the old message board! I saw him make his f/c debut v Kent at Canterbury seven years ago and was hugely impressed and followed him closely thereafter. I remember arguing with some vociferous inner circle chaps who said he was just a squad signing and wouldn't make the first XI, and insisting that if he was fit, he would walk straight into the side and would be a great success. For the record, I also recall sitting at a match not involving Sussex in May 2013 with invicta1977 (who used to post on the old board although I'm not sure he has joined this one yet) and telling him and Sweden's number one cricket fan (who comes and stays with him every summer) that Jordan would play cricket for England within a year! Well, you've got to blow your own trumpet on the odd occassion you get something right, haven't you?
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Post by jonboy on May 30, 2014 10:48:34 GMT
BM, I hold my hands up and admit that I was one of those who had some reservations as to whether Chris Jordan was the right man. That's why, having been proved so utterly and completely wrong, I was reluctant to question this years recruits. However, I did worry where we were going to find those wickets that Jordan and Panesar might provide. OK Monty didn't have a great season for us, and given the circumstances, a parting of the ways was perhaps for the best. However, he was an integral component in our four man attack, not just with his wickets, but also the control he gave us. Without him and Jordan, the attack, certainly in championship terms, is considerably weaker, and thus far, the new recruits have failed to plug the gaps. In all honesty, was it ever likely that they would. We've seen some sterling early season work from Lewis, and if he can continue to make a similar contribution, then he's probably done the job we required. I agree, our likely solution to this problem will have to come via the OS route, though can anyone confirm that we can in fact register Magoffin as a non overseas player next season? It wouldn't make sense to lose our most effective seamer just to bring in an OS all rounder. In the meantime, I'd like to see us turn to Hatchet, who's been bowling consistently well for the seconds. To me, he looks by far the most likely wicket taking option. His left arm bowling would also add some variety to an attack that could be a bit samey without a front line spinner.
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Post by fraudster on May 31, 2014 14:10:59 GMT
Whilst we're all thrilled to bits with Chris's progress, his likely absence from our championship campaign is a huge blow. How are we going to replace, not only his wickets, but the fact that he is a pretty good number eight. In fact Robbo says he could eventually bat higher than that. So, somehow we need to find a match winning all rounder. Possible candidates include, Zaidi, who's done little to justify even being in the squad, or Piolet. Neither seem likely match winners with the ball though do they. By all accounts Hatchet is bowling really well for the seconds and surely now deserves his chance. Is our batting strong enough for us to play four out and out bowlers. We've rarely seen evidence of Jordan being a decent number 8 frankly and you don't want Jordan's replacement to be concerned with batting - it's his wickets we will miss. So that rules out Zaidi, coff coff, and Piolet. Hatchett does deserve his chance, clearly, but we don't need to worry about four out and out bowlers - there's a spinner who also deserves his chance, and he bats.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 2, 2014 14:59:45 GMT
Whilst we're all thrilled to bits with Chris's progress, his likely absence from our championship campaign is a huge blow. How are we going to replace, not only his wickets, but the fact that he is a pretty good number eight. In fact Robbo says he could eventually bat higher than that. So, somehow we need to find a match winning all rounder. Possible candidates include, Zaidi, who's done little to justify even being in the squad, or Piolet. Neither seem likely match winners with the ball though do they. By all accounts Hatchet is bowling really well for the seconds and surely now deserves his chance. Is our batting strong enough for us to play four out and out bowlers. We've rarely seen evidence of Jordan being a decent number 8 frankly and you don't want Jordan's replacement to be concerned with batting - it's his wickets we will miss. So that rules out Zaidi, coff coff, and Piolet. Hatchett does deserve his chance, clearly, but we don't need to worry about four out and out bowlers - there's a spinner who also deserves his chance, and he bats. Quite frankly, the reason I suggested we look for an all rounder, is because, in truth, we need a batter and a bowler. Because we also need a front line spinner, I figured there's little likelihood of us recruiting three players, so a compromise would be someone who does a bit of both. I was nervous about our recruitment in the winter, also 2 year contracts for Zaidi, Anyon and Liddle, it's left us with little room to manoeuvre next season. Somehow, we seem to have lost our way.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 3, 2014 8:54:26 GMT
At least when he gets a central contract, we know where we stand and any appearances from him, we treat as a bonus. What we then have to do, is use the money to find another match winning all rounder, no easy task. Until then we are somewhat handicapped, unable to call on the services of Chris Jordan, and not in the position to bring in a replacement mid season. It was not difficult to see this coming though and maybe more could have been done to offset the loss of two potential match winners, in Jordan and Panesar. It was actually quite difficult to be sure about CJ playing regular test cricket as early as this summer until very recently. I am not really sure what more you think could have been done within the constraints of our budget. Robbo mentioning this in the Argus this morning The situation with Chris Jordan represents a lose lose scenario for Sussex, we are unlikely to see much of our star bowler, but as he's on an incremental contract only, the club is responsible for his salary. He does suggest that Sussex will be looking to bring in someone of similar ability if Chris were to be given a central contract next year. I'd like to see us use the freed up funds to bring in a quality signing, along the lines of Joyce, Panesar ect. Whilst it's always good to check the bargain bins, CJ himself is a good example of this, I do think we've been a bit over reliant on that particular bin. Again, does anyone on here know what the situation is with Steve Magoffin? Does he qualify as non overseas next season, as that would certainly give us a lot more scope to bring in someone of the right calibre. Meanwhile, it looks like it's make do and mend. I do think it's important though, that during Chris's absence, at least one of the attack is a younger player. It was heartening to see Matt Hobden selected for the current game
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Post by twelvegrand on Jun 3, 2014 16:53:32 GMT
Just out of interest - wouldn't Jordan be on a relatively low contract given the circumstances he came to us on or will performance/incremental elements have bumped it up? Depending on those terms it might not actually free up cash for a similar quality player.
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Post by jonboy on Jun 3, 2014 22:23:02 GMT
Just out of interest - wouldn't Jordan be on a relatively low contract given the circumstances he came to us on or will performance/incremental elements have bumped it up? Depending on those terms it might not actually free up cash for a similar quality player. Maybe, and maybe we are starting to regret the two year contracts handed out to Zaidi, Liddle and Anyon. We'll need to bring in a couple of quality players this winter and we haven't left ourselves much room to manoeuvre
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 17, 2014 17:44:08 GMT
India folded abysmally today, but let's raise a cheer for CJ, whose match figures of 18.2.7-50-7 are exceptionally good, no matter what the opposition and the circumstances. Kohli(twice) Rahane and Ashwin are all good wickets to take, and the tail has to be mopped up, as he showed at Manchester, and again at the Oval. Not everything is going right for him, it is clear that he runs on confidence and at present needs some overs before he can get his direction going consistently, but that's something he can work on. Let's be proud that we have a 90 mph England bowler once again, and hope that this series will see the start of a solid and lengthy Test career for him. And let's also hope that we see him for a few games once he gets his central contract.
Well done, CJ!
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Post by flashblade on Aug 27, 2014 12:31:14 GMT
Poor old CJ having a difficult time in the 2nd ODI.
8 overs, 0 for 50; has just bowled an 11 ball over with 5 wides.
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Post by maxh on Aug 28, 2014 8:25:49 GMT
Yes, his radar is completely off. Seems to really be having trouble hitting the crease smoothly (his action is jerky as it is). Needs work. Would think Finn might come in for the next game.
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Post by chrisc on Aug 28, 2014 8:31:31 GMT
Very difficult day for him.
Unfortunately I arrived home yesterday just in time to hear Botham & Knight making their comments about him.
But these are his most recent figures in Tests (his last 18.4 overs):
18.4 7 50 9
And no no balls or wides!
Not bad for a man who is currently incapable of bowling and must now be dropped (according to Messrs Botham & Knight)
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Post by jonboy on Aug 28, 2014 8:37:35 GMT
His rise has been rapid following on, just one good season at Sussex, he has the talent but perhaps needs time to consolidate. It would not be the end of the world if he were not a permanent fixture in the England side.
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