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Post by grandavefan on Aug 24, 2020 13:30:15 GMT
Jonboy, Briggs was not in the team last year. That's perhaps why the rumour is 'only a white ball contract'. I believe Beer was selected before him in 4 day cricket? Another Wells fan? You're a loyal bunch Wright & Bopara aren't going to play 4 day cricket. What we need is stability in the club. I don't see someone with connections coming in as coach achieving that. New look, new ideas. If they are not careful Robinson, Jordan & Archer will soon leave. A new wicketkeeper who bats would be good. Brown is getting an easy ride, no competition. Everyone else has competition bar him? Strange, captain without a challenger?
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Post by lovelyboy on Aug 24, 2020 16:03:27 GMT
Coverpoint (or are you LW's agent/father?), Look at his record over the past 2 seasons. Forget his career average because only his last performances are to be considered and they have been dire. I would say that probably before that he was good. I even thought that with the lack of openers he might have had a chance with England. Alas, he failed to develop and has gone backwards. You need to accept that LW has NOT scored the runs a capped batter should to continue being employed. He also tried to become a bowler. Something that fool Davis cultivated in his mind and confused him I believe. Time to move on Coverpoint, your man's had his chance. Odd comments on Luke Wells. Every batsman goes through dips in form, do we really have good enough players left in the squad that we can get rid of an opener who had scored nearly 8000 runs and 18 hundreds? What have Finch or Haines done to suggest they can do nearly as well?
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Post by jonboy on Aug 24, 2020 16:07:00 GMT
Coverpoint (or are you LW's agent/father?), Look at his record over the past 2 seasons. Forget his career average because only his last performances are to be considered and they have been dire. I would say that probably before that he was good. I even thought that with the lack of openers he might have had a chance with England. Alas, he failed to develop and has gone backwards. You need to accept that LW has NOT scored the runs a capped batter should to continue being employed. He also tried to become a bowler. Something that fool Davis cultivated in his mind and confused him I believe. Time to move on Coverpoint, your man's had his chance. Odd comments on Luke Wells. Every batsman goes through dips in form, do we really have good enough players left in the squad that we can get rid of an opener who had scored nearly 8000 runs and 18 hundreds? What have Finch or Haines done to suggest they can do nearly as well? The truth is, with the likely departures, we cannot afford to let Wells go, and quite honestly, I’m surprised he hasn’t been selected, coming of the back off an excellent winter down under
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Post by flashblade on Aug 24, 2020 16:19:05 GMT
Odd comments on Luke Wells. Every batsman goes through dips in form, do we really have good enough players left in the squad that we can get rid of an opener who had scored nearly 8000 runs and 18 hundreds? What have Finch or Haines done to suggest they can do nearly as well? The truth is, with the likely departures, we cannot afford to let Wells go, and quite honestly, I’m surprised he hasn’t been selected, coming of the back off an excellent winter down under Difficult to speculate about Luke's position when not all the relevant info is in the public domain.
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 24, 2020 21:00:31 GMT
Van Zyl opened the batting for the saffers, we should make him do it Van Zyl Salt One of the youngsters Head Top four sorted! Put Wells in for Salt and move Salt to five and that's top...1,2,3,4,5 yeah 5, sorted. Salt's got five all over him in the CC. Although it's been clear to me for ages, an OS opener is required, not a middle order bat. Any out of favour Aussie - Renshaw, Burns, that other one... Warner or summin'.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 25, 2020 6:26:45 GMT
Odd comments on Luke Wells. Every batsman goes through dips in form, do we really have good enough players left in the squad that we can get rid of an opener who had scored nearly 8000 runs and 18 hundreds? No
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 25, 2020 11:46:10 GMT
Sussex need to address the deficiencies in the coaching setup in particular the batting and also why players are not progressed from Under 17 to 1XI level. Surrey have shown the importance of developing your own players and have fifteen homegrown players in their squad for next season (Atkinson, Burns, Clarke, Curran S, Curran T, Dernbach, Dunn, Evans, Jacks, Patel, Pope, Reifer, Roy, Smith and Virdi).
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 25, 2020 12:39:10 GMT
Cv,
I am in agreement. The problem must lie with the Club Academy. Why aren't more players coming through and making an impact for Sussex CCC? There is a view that cricketers come in waves. For example, back in the early 2000s when a host of local talent shone.
In recent years, there has been Salt and Archer and before that Brown. The Club were unlucky with Matt Machan whom I thought had the mental strength and ability to become a top Sussex player. Who else?
Wells has disappointed with his inconsistency. Finch is still trying to find his way. Delray shows promise, but is a T20 player. Not sure about Haines and the other youngsters as it is too soon to pass judgment. And of course, another success, Ollie came from Yorkshire.
The Club has tried partnering with Guernsey and Oxfordshire, but without success. It is a mystery given the efforts and money put in too by Sir Rod Aldridge.
Are Surrey a freak show?
Jb,
...we cannot afford to let Wells go... I’m surprised he hasn’t been selected, coming of the back off an excellent winter down under
My suggestion is... Wells will be 30 years-old this December. By now, he should be a solid, reliable opening bat, scoring runs for fun, yet while he achieves this in Australia, Wells doesn't at Hove. He fails more than he succeeds. I suspect Luke enjoys a high salary and the Club can't afford to keep him unless he consistently performs at the highest level of county cricket. Also, Wells is no good at white-ball cricket and with finances diminishing, players on high salaries must be able to play both formats to a high standard.
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Post by herring on Aug 25, 2020 13:42:49 GMT
Going back a few years players like Nash,Yardy, Greenfield, Wells brothers etc were outstanding for there clubs and Sussex 2s before they played first team cricket. It has always been my view if you want to be a pro cricketer you should be capable of getting big runs and wickets in league cricket. Nowadays once in academy think they are better then they are. Batters are are given top order places and so often bowlers if they have played in week are told they cant bowl.
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Post by joe on Aug 25, 2020 14:35:16 GMT
Sussex need to address the deficiencies in the coaching setup in particular the batting and also why players are not progressed from Under 17 to 1XI level. Surrey have shown the importance of developing your own players and have fifteen homegrown players in their squad for next season (Atkinson, Burns, Clarke, Curran S, Curran T, Dernbach, Dunn, Evans, Jacks, Patel, Pope, Reifer, Roy, Smith and Virdi). I’ve never met anyone more contradicting than you! Was it not you who has blasted the coach etc for playing youngsters in the BWT? Good grief man make your mind up. We are developing our own. We’ve played 8/9 players who’ve come through the academy in these games.
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Post by joe on Aug 25, 2020 14:40:25 GMT
Going back a few years players like Nash,Yardy, Greenfield, Wells brothers etc were outstanding for there clubs and Sussex 2s before they played first team cricket. It has always been my view if you want to be a pro cricketer you should be capable of getting big runs and wickets in league cricket. Nowadays once in academy think they are better then they are. Batters are are given top order places and so often bowlers if they have played in week are told they cant bowl. Academy players are actively encouraged to play league cricket. The reason bowlers are restricted is because ECB protocol only permits them to bowl a certain amount of overs in a week dependant on age so if they’ve played for their school during the week they then can’t bowl for their league side.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 25, 2020 14:58:50 GMT
Sussex need to address the deficiencies in the coaching setup in particular the batting and also why players are not progressed from Under 17 to 1XI level. Surrey have shown the importance of developing your own players and have fifteen homegrown players in their squad for next season (Atkinson, Burns, Clarke, Curran S, Curran T, Dernbach, Dunn, Evans, Jacks, Patel, Pope, Reifer, Roy, Smith and Virdi). I’ve never met anyone more contradicting than you! Was it not you who has blasted the coach etc for playing youngsters in the BWT? Good grief man make your mind up. We are developing our own. We’ve played 8/9 players who’ve come through the academy in these games. We need better quality youngsters! The current coaches seem incapable of improving any of the players.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 25, 2020 15:00:19 GMT
Going back a few years players like Nash,Yardy, Greenfield, Wells brothers etc were outstanding for there clubs and Sussex 2s before they played first team cricket. It has always been my view if you want to be a pro cricketer you should be capable of getting big runs and wickets in league cricket. Nowadays once in academy think they are better then they are. Batters are are given top order places and so often bowlers if they have played in week are told they cant bowl. Academy players are actively encouraged to play league cricket. The reason bowlers are restricted is because ECB protocol only permits them to bowl a certain amount of overs in a week dependant on age so if they’ve played for their school during the week they then can’t bowl for their league side. I don't particularly care if they come from the Academy, school or club cricket. What we do need improved quantity and quality of youngsters coming through. The quality of youngsters coming through in the last 5-10 years with a few exceptions has been rubbish. Why can't our coaches develop young players like the other counties? Harrison Ward was supposed to be the next Alistair Cook where is he now? Jonty Jenner where is he now? The same goes for Doram and Hooper.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 25, 2020 22:21:12 GMT
Yes, or at three. Either way, if we will lose VanZyl and Evans, and Wright and Bopara only want to play white ball cricket, we will need to bring in a couple of top order batsmen, or just an opener if Head is coming I suspect we may sign a couple of top order batsmen in the winter. I doubt we will see Wright or Bopara playing red ball cricket. Bopara was definitely signed to play in all formats. Only Mills and Wright have specifically one-day only contracts.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 25, 2020 22:27:58 GMT
Odd comments on Luke Wells. Every batsman goes through dips in form, do we really have good enough players left in the squad that we can get rid of an opener who had scored nearly 8000 runs and 18 hundreds? What have Finch or Haines done to suggest they can do nearly as well? The truth is, with the likely departures, we cannot afford to let Wells go, and quite honestly, I’m surprised he hasn’t been selected, coming of the back off an excellent winter down under Agreed. People are predicting/expecting the departure of one lot of batsmen and demanding the departure of another lot. We’ll have no-one left 🙄🤷♂️
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