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Post by therealab1 on Aug 9, 2023 15:40:35 GMT
Terrible is the only word. Huge pressure in the last 4 CC games, i think we have to get promotion now otherwise i'd have to concede the season has been a disaster. You know it really has been a bad day at the office, when not even the therealab can find a positive in the performance!! Well i can, i think Haines and Pujaras knocks were positives but other than that nope nothing. I said it to a mate last week at the Durham game, other than Carter has any of these youngsters moved their game on under Farbrace? Most seem to have gone backwards.
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Post by devonexile on Aug 9, 2023 16:00:26 GMT
You know it really has been a bad day at the office, when not even the therealab can find a positive in the performance!! Well i can, i think Haines and Pujaras knocks were positives but other than that nope nothing. I said it to a mate last week at the Durham game, other than Carter has any of these youngsters moved their game on under Farbrace? Most seem to have gone backwards. I would say Coles has moved forward this season. You can't really judge Orr as he has missed so many games through injury. Clark has showed promise at times, but has far too often missed out after getting a start. Still plenty of time for him. Carter (alongside Coles for me) as you say has been the pick this season, primarily on the back of a good winter in Australia. Haines, not that I class him within the group of youngsters, hasn't delivered to the level expected this season, but that may be the bar being set too high given what he has achieved last season and the season before. As for the bowlers, as you say, none have progressed. A fair question is why? The batters have Flower, the bowlers Kirtley. Has that played a part? We have rewarded both Crocombe and Carson with new contracts, but at present their performances are a cause for concern.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 9, 2023 16:10:10 GMT
300 was never going to be enough today. At least 100 runs short with the worst Sussex attack in the last thirty years.
We need a new bowling coach immediately as most of the bowlers have gone backwards under Kirtley. Get rid of Greenfield and Andrew at the same time. I don't think Carson or Crocombe warranted 3 year contracts. One year would have sufficed at this stage given their performance this season. What is Sussex obsession with giving three year contracts to bowlers like Carson, Crocombe, Finn, Garton and Hunt? None of them warranted more than one year. Why are we rewarding rubbish performances with such long contracts? They should be subject to meet minimum criteria e.g. 50 wickets per season in the case of Finn and Garton. Atkins, Finn, Garton, Hunt and Mills should all be released as they are not good enough. Our bowling attack needs a complete overhaul because it is utter rubbish.
Carter and Coles have been the only pluses this season in a largely disappointing season.
Clark, Currie, Karvelas and Lenham deserve another year.
Ward is and never will be good enough and had ample chances and should be released. There are a million better cricketers than him!
Hudson-Prentice has another season. I wouldn't extend his contract yet. Make him earn a new contract.
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Post by yikemardy on Aug 9, 2023 16:15:22 GMT
Re progress this season: Coles has certainly improved and has some big innings under his belt, But at the same time he has frequently disappointed, Throwing his wicket away. He is not an allrounder though, anymore than Joe Root is.
Carter has shown his worth. Very good young player. Maybe he has been dragged down by the current malaise.
Clark - poster above says he has ‘plenty of time’. If that’s the case maybe it’s where we are going wrong - too accepting of poor performance . so often when he reaches 30 or so he looks ready to get out. you can feel it coming. He smells of Harry Finch Mk 2 for me.
Haines - getting back towards his run-hungry best. Comes across as an intense guy that doesn’t feel comfortable as captain.
Ward - give him more chances . He’s not subtle but can certainly whack it.
Crocombe - I don’t see it. Medium fast cannon fodder. He’s lucky to have had so many chances
Ari - a solid season . He should start every game
Currie - there’s a very good bowler in there. Serves up too many pies though
Lenham - it’s not going to happen sadly. Leg spin is tough
Carson - disappointed with the ball without being terrible. Curiously has improved with bat
FHP - bowling a bit off but his batting has made up for it. Definitely worth his place
Garton - not happening . He should move on
Finn, Hunt - dross , in Finn’s case expensive dross
Atkins - how bad must he be in training not to have had a chance ?
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Post by squarepoint on Aug 9, 2023 17:21:27 GMT
I’m assuming Karvelas isn’t fully fit, otherwise why wasn’t he playing in this game? Aside from performance problems, our bowlers also seem to be plagued, year after year, with injuries.
I may have missed a meeting but does anyone know why the contracts on our overseas bowlers only ran until end July? Especially given that McAndrew was kicking his heels earlier while Smith was drafted in (to no beneficial effect as far as results are concerned).
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 9, 2023 17:49:01 GMT
The evidence suggests, a new bowling coach is required.
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 9, 2023 19:38:36 GMT
I've missed the Greenfield out posts.
You wanted a head coach that had control over it all. This doesn't work, the job is too big. Farbrace should have full say over who he signs but all the admin and the possible pitfalls in things like visas, accommodation and international clearance etc should be handled by a DOC.
The structure before was fine we just had the wrong head coach.
I'd like to see Farbrace fire the coaches he sees fit to do so and bring in a DOC
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 10, 2023 14:53:33 GMT
Re progress this season: Coles has certainly improved and has some big innings under his belt, But at the same time he has frequently disappointed, Throwing his wicket away. He is not an allrounder though, anymore than Joe Root is. Carter has shown his worth. Very good young player. Maybe he has been dragged down by the current malaise. Clark - poster above says he has ‘plenty of time’. If that’s the case maybe it’s where we are going wrong - too accepting of poor performance . so often when he reaches 30 or so he looks ready to get out. you can feel it coming. He smells of Harry Finch Mk 2 for me. Haines - getting back towards his run-hungry best. Comes across as an intense guy that doesn’t feel comfortable as captain. Ward - give him more chances . He’s not subtle but can certainly whack it. Crocombe - I don’t see it. Medium fast cannon fodder. He’s lucky to have had so many chances Ari - a solid season . He should start every game Currie - there’s a very good bowler in there. Serves up too many pies though Lenham - it’s not going to happen sadly. Leg spin is tough Carson - disappointed with the ball without being terrible. Curiously has improved with bat FHP - bowling a bit off but his batting has made up for it. Definitely worth his place Garton - not happening . He should move on Finn, Hunt - dross , in Finn’s case expensive dross Atkins - how bad must he be in training not to have had a chance ? Coles, i based on not a lot to go on previous seasons but hes a mega talent. If he doesnt go on to play for England somethings gone wrong. Hard to disagree with a lot of the rest maybe ill give Finn the benefit of the doubt due to injuries.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 10, 2023 15:50:32 GMT
Re progress this season: Coles has certainly improved and has some big innings under his belt, But at the same time he has frequently disappointed, Throwing his wicket away. He is not an allrounder though, anymore than Joe Root is. Carter has shown his worth. Very good young player. Maybe he has been dragged down by the current malaise. Clark - poster above says he has ‘plenty of time’. If that’s the case maybe it’s where we are going wrong - too accepting of poor performance . so often when he reaches 30 or so he looks ready to get out. you can feel it coming. He smells of Harry Finch Mk 2 for me. Haines - getting back towards his run-hungry best. Comes across as an intense guy that doesn’t feel comfortable as captain. Ward - give him more chances . He’s not subtle but can certainly whack it. Crocombe - I don’t see it. Medium fast cannon fodder. He’s lucky to have had so many chances Ari - a solid season . He should start every game Currie - there’s a very good bowler in there. Serves up too many pies though Lenham - it’s not going to happen sadly. Leg spin is tough Carson - disappointed with the ball without being terrible. Curiously has improved with bat FHP - bowling a bit off but his batting has made up for it. Definitely worth his place Garton - not happening . He should move on Finn, Hunt - dross , in Finn’s case expensive dross Atkins - how bad must he be in training not to have had a chance ? Coles, i based on not a lot to go on previous seasons but hes a mega talent. If he doesnt go on to play for England somethings gone wrong. Hard to disagree with a lot of the rest maybe ill give Finn the benefit of the doubt due to injuries. Coles is good, and has a good cricket brain, not phased either by the side crumbling around him, which given the last two seasons is also a plus.
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Post by sponge on Aug 10, 2023 17:48:27 GMT
Yes, I think Coles is very good and will be exceptional. He earnt his place in the 1s by good form in the 2s. Don't expect too much from his bowling, yet. Our problem is, I am not sure how many others have done the same this year. Too early for Lenham, for that reason. Maybe Foreman deserves a go. Wouldn't suprise me if Hunt, Karvelas and Ward all start against Somerset.
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