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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 21:29:24 GMT
Well that almost feels like a defeat - I'm sure Colin Gravedigger will see it like that, against a 'mediocre' Windies side missing Gayle, Dwayne Bravo, Narine and Sammy.
One wicket in 40 overs was a poor return for Tredwell. And poor Jonathan Trott in the field today looked like a haunted man, completely disengaged from his team-mates. I don't want to see Trott bat again on this tour but I do hope he's OK to carry the drinks and that he doesn't have to bail out as he did in Australia last winter and in his 'first comeback' for Warwicks this time last year. The sad truth is that his type of illness never totally goes away; at best it's only ever in abeyance. The way he looked in the field today was a real worry.
Lyth and Moeen in for Trott and Tredwell on Tuesday, I predict.
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Post by invicta1977 on Apr 17, 2015 21:38:35 GMT
I found it all mightily enjoyable. It's just great to have some interesting cricket on TV again after all these months!
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Post by mrsdoyle on Apr 17, 2015 22:04:10 GMT
Meanwhile CJ finally broke the shackles with a few late runs this morning, took a key wicket and has just broken an important stand with a stunning slip catch. Of course, he's "not quite quick enough", or "not enough of an all-rounder", or not quite somebody's favourite flavour - but he's a gutsy, flamboyant and intelligent cricketer who has responded well to his challenges and has mastered them. A credit to himself, to Sussex who gave him the big chance, and to all of those who believe in character. Well said. And his great slip catch was Tredwell's first Test wicket in 1,848 days, since his last v Bangla Desh on March 24, 2010. Probably not a record. But a ruddy long time to wait! Hope I don't have to wait that long for Brighton's next goal.
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Post by leedsgull on Apr 18, 2015 6:39:44 GMT
As we all know England are incredibly stubborn and inflexible as regards selection. I think Trott will be given another chance as to drop him now would surely signal the end of his test career. Obviously no one outside team England apart from GD would support this decision.
I think that England's inability to bowl out West Indies says a lot about the general impotence of bowling attacks the world over with a few exceptions. Bland wickets and the crazy loading of one day cricket towards the batsman are beginning to cause serious damage to our bowling resources. This problem must be acknowledged and addressed before the game suffers irreparably.
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Post by fraudster on Apr 18, 2015 16:28:53 GMT
What a bunch of shmucks, too busy loving themselves and saying how good Anderson is - I reckon Botham, Trueman, Flintoff, Harmison and many more would have seen of this Windies side in four sessions. Cook declared about right for the first time in his life but his bowlers are ordinary, especially Tredwell - good first innings but where was it when it mattered? nowheresville.
Anyone heard Flintoff's thoughts? Seems to think we have a special side in the making. I think he's gone nuts. The middle order looks stable I must admit, too bad Kev, but the openers and the bowling, good lord.
The decision making of the people at the ECB worries me. They've always been out of touch but they've set new standards of late.
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 21, 2015 14:47:12 GMT
2nd Test start delayed by rain, but England won the toss and will bowl in humid conditions with more rain showers forecast. Moeen Ali predictably comes in for Tredwell, Trott's trot continues, Adil Rashid carries the drinks and CJ keeps his place. For West Indies Taylor has an injured shoulder and will be replaced by Gabriel, Benn gives way to Bishoo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 7:32:53 GMT
2nd Test start delayed by rain, but England won the toss and will bowl in humid conditions with more rain showers forecast. Moeen Ali predictably comes in for Tredwell, Trott's trot continues, Adil Rashid carries the drinks and CJ keeps his place. For West Indies T aylor has an injured shoulder and will be replaced by Gabriel, Benn gives way to Bishoo.So we select a touring party that includes two specialist spinners in Tredwell and Rashid. Then on the wicket that is most likely to favour spin, we don't select either of them and hand the spinning duties to two batsmen turned part-time twirlers, Moeen Ali and Joe Root. . . If the selections for this match are right, then the selection of the original tour party was wrong. If the selection of the original tour party was right, then the team chosen for this match is wrong. It can't possibly be both, can it? For Rankin and Tremlett last tour, read Rashid and Tredwell this one?
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 22, 2015 8:02:28 GMT
2nd Test start delayed by rain, but England won the toss and will bowl in humid conditions with more rain showers forecast. Moeen Ali predictably comes in for Tredwell, Trott's trot continues, Adil Rashid carries the drinks and CJ keeps his place. For West Indies T aylor has an injured shoulder and will be replaced by Gabriel, Benn gives way to Bishoo.So we select a touring party that includes two specialist spinners in Tredwell and Rashid. Then on the wicket that is most likely to favour spin, we don't select either of them and hand the spinning duties to two batsmen turned part-time twirlers, Moeen Ali and Joe Root. . . If the selections for this match are right, then the selection of the original tour party was wrong. If the selection of the original tour party was right, then the team chosen for this match is wrong. It can't possibly be both, can it? For Rankin and Tremlett last tour, read Rashid and Tredwell this one?
Pretty much so. In Tredwell's case, picked at the wrong time in his career. Two Tests, 5 years apart, 11 relatively cheap and economical wickets, and that's about all. The selection for the tour was a nonsense, therefore it follows that selections for individual matches will not be better. Whatever happens in this match Trott will have another chance, and probably a further one against New Zealand , on the grounds that the wickets were untypical or some such nonsense. Similarly Broad will be picked until bits of him start falling off like the knight in The Holy Grail, Anderson will continue to receive encomiums of praise for his past greatness while Warner and Smith send the ball flashing pat his ears into the crowd at The Oval, and Alistair Cook will be acclaimed for a triumphant return to form and massive vindication of his tactical skills when he is dropped three times on his way to 78 in 4 hours against a half-strength attack in a rain ruined draw where England's sole innings is 183-9. These things, like the beatification and eventual canonisation of Colin Graves are inevitable.
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Post by flashblade on Apr 22, 2015 8:52:29 GMT
Ben Stokes obviously thinks that sledging verbal abuse is big and clever. Unfortunately for him, Marlon Samuels appears to have thrived on it! Grow up, Ben - just concentrate on your undoubted cricketing skills. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32408878
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 15:58:57 GMT
Yorkshire have asked the ECB if Rashid can be flown home for their next LVCC game v Warwicks, as he is clearly surplus to requirements in the Caribbean. I can't remember anything like this before - but then I'm not sure I can remember England being on a Test tour during our domestic season!
They haven't asked for Bairstow, Plunkett and Lyth to return, presumably because Buttler could get injured, if Broad continues to bowl the s*h*i*t*e he served up with the new ball yesterday he could lose his place to Plunkett and if there is any justice Lyth ought to replace Trott.
By the way, some brilliant reverse swing from Stokes with a 70 overs old ball today in the brief spell of play before the rains came. Swinging it both ways at pace and v impressive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 21:15:21 GMT
So presumably Cook and Trott grinding out turgid half-centuries but failing to go on to a big score against a weak attack on a flat pitch means we are stuck with them for another couple of years, even if they don't score another run.
Yet England's other two most recent openers, Compton and Robson, were discarded with considerably better (short-term) records than Cook and Trott.
Just what a liability they have become - whether getting out cheaply or batting so slowly you have to conclude their only interest in the current series is in saving their own skins rather than Peter Moores - is evident from a comparison with those who followed them at three, four and five.
Cook : no century in his last 34 innings.
Trott : no century in his last 21 innings (his decline actually started well before he cracked up down-under last winter)
Ballance: four centuries in his last 13 innings
Bell: two centuries in his last 7 innings
Root: four centuries in his last 14 innings
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Post by leedsgull on Apr 24, 2015 7:07:00 GMT
A huge opportunity has been lost by ignoring Lyth. Three Tests against the Windies would have been a great chance for him to bed into International cricket. If he had failed then move on but he had to be given the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 18:27:21 GMT
Very weird England scorecard. Root at number five 182 not out. Followed by numbers 6,7,8,9,10 and 11 who scored 33 runs between them on the flatest of flat pitches at an average of 5.50.
Broad predictably contributed 0. His last ten innings for England in 2015 - Tests and ODIs - have yielded 40 runs.And he proved today that he's as crap against leg-spin as he is against chin music. His batting has now reached the level of Kevin Jarvis and Charl Wiloughby, possibly the two worst number elevens I've seen in 54 seasons of watching f/c cricket.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 19:08:01 GMT
Very weird England scorecard. Root at number five 182 not out. Followed by numbers 6,7,8,9,10 and 11 who scored 33 runs between them on the flatest of flat pitches at an average of 5.50. Broad predictably contributed 0. His last ten innings for England in 2015 - Tests and ODIs - have yielded 40 runs.And he proved today that he's as crap against leg-spin as he is against chin music. His batting has now reached the level of Kevin Jarvis and Charl Wiloughby, possibly the two worst number elevens I've seen in 54 seasons of watching f/c cricket. I make it 39 but it's a game of fine margins.Most of Sussex's number elevens came good due to the amount of practice they got What about Panesar?
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Post by mrsdoyle on Apr 24, 2015 20:38:34 GMT
Whilst Samuel's salute made me laugh I can't help but suspect that had Broad or Stokes done that they would have been accused of disrespecting the opposition.
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