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Post by flashblade on Sept 25, 2015 16:19:22 GMT
I don't want to alarm anyone, but is there any chance that the board will "solve" the problem by promoting Robbo to Director of Cricket?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 17:02:44 GMT
I don't want to alarm anyone, but is there any chance that the board will "solve" the problem by promoting Robbo to Director of Cricket? No. |
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Post by flashblade on Sept 25, 2015 17:05:43 GMT
I don't want to alarm anyone, but is there any chance that the board will "solve" the problem by promoting Robbo to Director of Cricket? No. Hope you're right, stonewall. The last thing we need is a fudged 'solution'. |
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Post by leedsgull on Sept 25, 2015 17:23:37 GMT
If anyone is interested I will provide my observations on the actual play today. I was surprised Yorkshire batted on as all they did was waste 15 minutes playing time after Bresnan lofted the gentlest of catches to Hatchett. Joyce was soon bowled playing no sort of stroke to Brooks. Jordan and Machan looked ok briefly before both played back to Brooks. Jordan LBW and Machan caught behind. Nash looked most unsure and was bowled by Bresnan who was the best of the seamers today. Sadly Wright played a wreckless shot to be caught behind. It looked like total capitulation but Yardy and Brown gradually gained some control and saw it through to lunch and for some time after. A miraculous win was beginning to look possible until in trying to hook Bresnan Yardy gloved high to first slip where he was spendidly caught by Lees. All of the Yorkshire players rushed to shake Yardy's hand and he received a standing ovation from the large crowd.
Brown had batted very well and was out in freakish manner. He swept Rashid, Leaning turned his back at short leg but somehow caught the ball. Brown left the field in tears. Magoffin did not last long so it was left to Zaidi to play some lovely defiant shots. For the second time in the match he seemed to get a dubious LBW. The match ended whemn Liddle was also LBW.
I think that Sussex competed pretty well in this match but it should never have been about beating Yorkshire. The sun shone for most of the day. Roll on April.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 25, 2015 17:54:06 GMT
If anyone is interested I will provide my observations on the actual play today. I was surprised Yorkshire batted on as all they did was waste 15 minutes playing time after Bresnan lofted the gentlest of catches to Hatchett. Joyce was soon bowled playing no sort of stroke to Brooks. Jordan and Machan looked ok briefly before both played back to Brooks. Jordan LBW and Machan caught behind. Nash looked most unsure and was bowled by Bresnan who was the best of the seamers today. Sadly Wright played a wreckless shot to be caught behind. It looked like total capitulation but Yardy and Brown gradually gained some control and saw it through to lunch and for some time after. A miraculous win was beginning to look possible until in trying to hook Bresnan Yardy gloved high to first slip where he was spendidly caught by Lees. All of the Yorkshire players rushed to shake Yardy's hand and he received a standing ovation from the large crowd. Brown had batted very well and was out in freakish manner. He swept Rashid, Leaning turned his back at short leg but somehow caught the ball. Brown left the field in tears. Magoffin did not last long so it was left to Zaidi to play some lovely defiant shots. For the second time in the match he seemed to get a dubious LBW. The match ended whemn Liddle was also LBW. I think that Sussex competed pretty well in this match but it should never have been about beating Yorkshire. The sun shone for most of the day. Roll on April. That Brown cried is so sweet, I'm not one of those who thinks it unmanly to shed a tear, rather I'm impressed he cared enough to. |
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 25, 2015 18:10:32 GMT
Major changes needed to be made including the following:
New First Team Coach (Robinson has been here for too long and the team has been in decline for the last six years under his and Joyce's stewardship)
New Captain
New Academy Coach
New opener to replace Yardy (two if Joyce retires) and if he is able to bowl all the better
New spinner to replace Zaidi
New seamer to replace Liddle
I would offer one-year contracts to Beer, Hudson-Prentice and Jackson and two years to Machan and Robinson. I would release Anyon, Liddle, Piolet and Zaidi.
I really hope we follow Surrey's example and go with youth next season.
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Post by carisbrooke on Sept 25, 2015 18:11:55 GMT
I realise I will be in a minority of one here, but I'm not that disappointed. It seems for the past few years we have been down the bottom of Div One, scrapping around, trying to avoid being relegated. Well, now we have been, maybe the management, coach, captain etc. will stop with the excuses and do something. A T20 quarter final, in which we were roundly thrashed, is the only achievement this season, our 50 over form was beyond shocking, and we subsided to relegation without a fight. Time for a rethink. 2011 5th, 2012 4th, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd No, we have been relegated this season. We haven't near the bottom since we were last relegated. |
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Post by coverpoint on Sept 25, 2015 18:12:39 GMT
A pathetic attempt to bat will see us humiliated in an hour or so. The whole culture of the club and its management has been pathetic. The skipper is shot to pieces and the coach and his subordinates are losers . To get relegated is very poor, never really thought they would drop, the complacent mindset of the whole club has seen Hampshire overtake us on final day. Too many players have had it far too easy with lack of contributions consistently all season. Questions need to be asked of signing players not able to bowl significant spells . Batters blames the early season pitches and continue to fail. The whole season has been a disaster and we have paid for our complacent , we'll get away with it attitude. No spine, no fight, no pride . Wait before the excuses roll out . No excuses , I'm so ashamed of the team Perhaps the complacency stems from the fact that we have just avoided relegation pretty well every season recently, so we thought we would do so again. At least it is not football, we can't get relegated from the second div to Minor county status! Hey, it's not all bad, maybe Beer will get a game in Div 2 and we might even win a few games and entertain? Not if Robinson is coach. |
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Post by mrsdoyle on Sept 25, 2015 18:15:46 GMT
I realise I will be in a minority of one here, but I'm not that disappointed. It seems for the past few years we have been down the bottom of Div One, scrapping around, trying to avoid being relegated. Well, now we have been, maybe the management, coach, captain etc. will stop with the excuses and do something. A T20 quarter final, in which we were roundly thrashed, is the only achievement this season, our 50 over form was beyond shocking, and we subsided to relegation without a fight. Time for a rethink. 2011 5th, 2012 4th, 2013 3rd, 2014 3rd No, we have been relegated this season. We haven't near the bottom since we were last relegated. Technically you are right but I seem to remember flirting with relegation for the past few seasons, usually after a good start. I think last year a flurry of results going our way elevated us right at the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 18:31:59 GMT
Can I return in order to add my condolences?
Sadly, relegation was inevitable, as I said back in July. It wasn't just that Sussex were playing poor, impoverished cricket, but that the players were feeling horribly sorry for themselves and the management didn't have a clue what to do about it (Linley? Dockrell? Thomas? Burgoyne? I mean, come on...)
On a happier note, I am as equally confident in predicting immediate promotion next season as I was in predicting relegation this season.
Providing the necessary changes are made 'back stage'.
Div Two is full of mediocre sides. Essex have already shown rapid improvement since sacking Grayson and Worcs, despite relegation, have a promising bunch of players. But the rest - Leics, Derbys, Kent, Glos, Glam and Northants - are there for the taking.
I've watched a fair bit of Div Two cricket this season, and apart from Coles and Footit, I've seen no bowlers with the 'x factor' to trouble good batsmen. I remember Mark Ramprakash saying circa 2006 when Surrey were in Div Two that he looked at the fixture list when it came out and said to himself, "Northants, Leics, Derbys and Glamorgan home and away against powder puff attacks - that's eight tons and my 1000 runs for the season". He ended up averaging over 100 that year. That's what the likes of Joyce and new club captain Wright should be saying to themselves, once they get over the disappointment of relegation.
Wells, Machan, Finch and Brown should also seize the opportunity to fill their boots against mediocre Div Two bowling and Zaidi can star as an all-rounder against players who aren't that much better than he encountered when he was tearing up the Lancashire leagues with both bat and ball.
As for the bowling, Magoffin, Jordan (whom we might lose for ODIs but I don't think has a future as a Test bowler) and a fit again Shahzad will terrorise Div Two batsmen. Add young Robinson's ability to swing the ball and you have a quartet whose wicket-taking ability towers over any other seam attack in the division.
The biggest downside of relegation is that it will make recruitment harder. I read jonboy saying that we tried to sign Willey and Topley. Well we can forget about those kind of quality signings. As a Div Two side it's going to be a case of bring on our own (that will please my friend fraudster, whom I have greatly missed), or taking a punt on giving second chances to those who haven't succeeded elsewhere.
But despite that, I am confident that Sussex will storm Div Two. I wasn't going to rejoin the forum to post something negative. Providing Sussex makes the management changes necessary,next season promises to be the most enjoyable in years - summed up in Matt Prior's tweet today in which he said "Time to rebuild...no excuses...time to get tough again."
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Post by flashblade on Sept 25, 2015 18:38:57 GMT
Great to have you back, BM.  |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 25, 2015 20:01:30 GMT
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Post by fraudster on Sept 25, 2015 22:07:52 GMT
Can I return in order to add my condolences? Sadly, relegation was inevitable, as I said back in July. It wasn't just that Sussex were playing poor, impoverished cricket, but that the players were feeling horribly sorry for themselves and the management didn't have a clue what to do about it (Linley? Dockrell? Thomas? Burgoyne? I mean, come on...) On a happier note, I am as equally confident in predicting immediate promotion next season as I was in predicting relegation this season. Providing the necessary changes are made 'back stage'. Div Two is full of mediocre sides. Essex have already shown rapid improvement since sacking Grayson and Worcs, despite relegation, have a promising bunch of players. But the rest - Leics, Derbys, Kent, Glos, Glam and Northants - are there for the taking. I've watched a fair bit of Div Two cricket this season, and apart from Coles and Footit, I've seen no bowlers with the 'x factor' to trouble good batsmen. I remember Mark Ramprakash saying circa 2006 when Surrey were in Div Two that he looked at the fixture list when it came out and said to himself, "Northants, Leics, Derbys and Glamorgan home and away against powder puff attacks - that's eight tons and my 1000 runs for the season". He ended up averaging over 100 that year. That's what the likes of Joyce and new club captain Wright should be saying to themselves, once they get over the disappointment of relegation. Wells, Machan, Finch and Brown should also seize the opportunity to fill their boots against mediocre Div Two bowling and Zaidi can star as an all-rounder against players who aren't that much better than he encountered when he was tearing up the Lancashire leagues with both bat and ball. As for the bowling, Magoffin, Jordan (whom we might lose for ODIs but I don't think has a future as a Test bowler) and a fit again Shahzad will terrorise Div Two batsmen. Add young Robinson's ability to swing the ball and you have a quartet whose wicket-taking ability towers over any other seam attack in the division. The biggest downside of relegation is that it will make recruitment harder. I read jonboy saying that we tried to sign Willey and Topley. Well we can forget about those kind of quality signings. As a Div Two side it's going to be a case of bring on our own (that will please my friend fraudster, whom I have greatly missed), or taking a punt on giving second chances to those who haven't succeeded elsewhere. But despite that, I am confident that Sussex will storm Div Two. I wasn't going to rejoin the forum to post something negative. Providing Sussex makes the management changes necessary,next season promises to be the most enjoyable in years - summed up in Matt Prior's tweet today in which he said "Time to rebuild...no excuses...time to get tough again." Look who's back - Borderman. The man from the borders. Is he Sussex is he Kent, is he left is he right, is he dangerous is he pure. Alright mate? I think we've exhausted the second chances to other sides' flops, myself - and to a baffling extent in most cases. There isn't much wrong with our squad, in my view, it's what you get out of it. I think Mark Robinson is spot on with his last paragraph on the text version of that interview S&F. |
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Post by moderator1 on Sept 26, 2015 7:18:24 GMT
This thread is now closed for further comments as the match is over, marking the end of First division status for the time being. There are existing threads under General Cricket Chat such as "Rebuilding the squad since we last won the Championship in 2007" and "Questions club needs to answer" for discussion of the future.
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