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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2015 9:35:09 GMT
A point well made, lg. But it's hard to see England ever going for a wrist spinner over a finger spinner except on the sub-continent, which makes it difficult to imagine Rashid in the Ashley Giles role. Cook needs a spinner he can turn to for control as much as wicket-taking. If Ansari is still hors de combat, then it probably has to be Tredwell. My point about Rashid, though, is why is the ball still coming out at an avge 47-48 mph when every single coach, pundit and expert - including Warne - is telling him he needs to bowl it faster at Test match level?Probably because at county level he takes 29 at 28 each in 210 overs bowling that way and everyone tells him he is invaluable. Once again, the gulf between the Championship and the Test game is getting wider each year. I think that must be true. And part of the reason is the wickets, of course. You look at Broad and Andeson and they are just different class from the seamers who take all the wickets in county cricket. There was a discussion last summer in which our good friend invicta 1977 said if England had played Rushworth, Stevens and Masters on the seaming green-top at Lord's, Australia would not have made 100. He was probably right. But can you imagine that trio in the Test that has just finished? Broad and Anderson took 11-126, but if Stevens, Rushworth and Masters had been playing I suspect their figures would have made even our spinners' stats look decent in comparison. |
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 5, 2015 11:09:05 GMT
My point about Giles was not to compare them like for like but Giles had his role as the single spinner who could bat a bit. England will usually only play one spinner so I think that Rashid could fill that role. I am somewhat puzzled why Root was not used when the others were not doing the job. He has had a bit of a knack of getting the odd wicket and was surely worth a go. As vice-captain he was in a position to suggest as much to Cook.
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 6, 2015 19:02:05 GMT
Time for Ali, Bell, Bairstow, Buttler, Rashid and Patel to be dropped.
Cook's opening partners
Tests Runs Centuries Average
Nick Compton 9 479 2 31.93
Joe Root 5 339 1 37.66
Michael Carberry 5 281 0 28.10
Sam Robson 7 336 1 30.54
Jonathan Trott 3 72 0 12.00
Adam Lyth 7 265 1 20.38
Moeen Ali 3 84 0 14.00
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2015 18:39:42 GMT
David Lloyd wonderfully succinct on today's ODI : "Pakistan played international cricket. England played county cricket."
After the 27th over, England only found the boundary once in the rest of their innings.
The spinners were crap again (Rashid murdered, Moeen milked). But when the opposition only need to score at four an over, it's hardly the bowlers' fault.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Nov 11, 2015 19:15:23 GMT
Listened to the one dayer today and Aggers made me laugh, saying what a wonderful stop Taylor made in the covers, he went on to say 'diving, well, I was going to say full length, it was full length for him!'.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 11, 2015 21:24:58 GMT
Listened to the one dayer today and Aggers made me laugh, saying what a wonderful stop Taylor made in the covers, he went on to say 'diving, well, I was going to say full length, it was full length for him!'. As Michael Caine said in Get Carter " You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job. Now behave yourself."  |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 17, 2015 14:48:26 GMT
A good performance to bowl out Pakistan for 208 and now it is time for Roy and Hales to show they can do it again, for Buttler to has his umpteenth opportunity to make up for sloppy keeping with his batting, and for Ali and Rashid to continue the battle for the English spin all-rounder option. I have Ali leading in these one day matches as a bowler and hope he can cement his place with some sparkling batting.
Meanwhile from this eleven you would be hard pressed to find anyone other than Root who is an automatic Test choice: proof that England are already following the Strauss dictum and morphing into Test squads and One-day squads and ne'er the twain shall meet?
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Post by flashblade on Nov 17, 2015 15:27:18 GMT
A good performance to bowl out Pakistan for 208 and now it is time for Roy and Hales to show they can do it again, for Buttler to has his umpteenth opportunity to make up for sloppy keeping with his batting, and for Ali and Rashid to continue the battle for the English spin all-rounder option. I have Ali leading in these one day matches as a bowler and hope he can cement his place with some sparkling batting. Meanwhile from this eleven you would be hard pressed to find anyone other than Root who is an automatic Test choice: proof that England are already following the Strauss dictum and morphing into Test squads and One-day squads and ne'er the twain shall meet? Watched the replays of Buttler's gaffes a little earlier. Is it me, or does he lack intensity? He just looks ponderous at times. |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 17, 2015 15:37:55 GMT
A good performance to bowl out Pakistan for 208 and now it is time for Roy and Hales to show they can do it again, for Buttler to has his umpteenth opportunity to make up for sloppy keeping with his batting, and for Ali and Rashid to continue the battle for the English spin all-rounder option. I have Ali leading in these one day matches as a bowler and hope he can cement his place with some sparkling batting. Meanwhile from this eleven you would be hard pressed to find anyone other than Root who is an automatic Test choice: proof that England are already following the Strauss dictum and morphing into Test squads and One-day squads and ne'er the twain shall meet? Watched the replays of Buttler's gaffes a little earlier. Is it me, or does he lack intensity? He just looks ponderous at times. You do feed them to me , flashblade. To turn that one a little: The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.Prizes for guessing poet and poem to all except borderman, who has form in these things  |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 17, 2015 18:18:46 GMT
Well that was a walk in the park, in the end - after a couple of nasty encounters with dog poo. Taylor is looking more and more like the real deal, certainly on these wickets and will be well worth looking at in detail in South Africa, in both versions of the game. Meanwhile Buttler showed that he can work out unfamiliar bowling (as a batsman) but needs time. Perhaps his role is still to be defined in the red ball game, but he is worth it as a white ball batsman and, if someone will give him some intensive coaching, as a keeper.
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Post by leedsgull on Nov 18, 2015 16:20:43 GMT
I am inclined to think that if James Taylor can cement his place as a test player then he would be a worthy candidate to replace Cook in due course. I think Root is to much "one of the lads" to take on this role.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 18, 2015 17:46:51 GMT
I am inclined to think that if James Taylor can cement his place as a test player then he would be a worthy candidate to replace Cook in due course. I think Root is to much "one of the lads" to take on this role. Good point. I am a Taylor fan - he has a mature approach, and I can't remember why he's been out of the England squad for so long. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 20, 2015 14:49:46 GMT
I feel privileged to have just watched one of the great ODI centuries. Jos Buttler was absolutely magnificent - a 46 ball hundred at international level is really something. Well done, Jos - looks like he's found his mojo again!  PS I've just read that he went from 50 to 100 in just 16 balls! |
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 20, 2015 15:13:56 GMT
I feel privileged to have just watched one of the great ODI centuries. Jos Buttler was absolutely magnificent - a 46 ball hundred at international level is really something. Well done, Jos - looks like he's found his mojo again! PS I've just read that he went from 50 to 100 in just 16 balls! Extraordinary, wasn't it? I don't think he ever will be a Test player but as long as he can produce this kind of performance in white-ball games what does it matter? As I've long argued, there are some players who are perfect for one medium or the other, and a few who can slip in and out of role. Taylor and Root both seem to be the latter, Cook definitely the former. We shouldn't try to force players to perform in the wrong medium; it is counter-productive as the history of our World Cup performances show. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 16:18:51 GMT
I feel privileged to have just watched one of the great ODI centuries. Jos Buttler was absolutely magnificent - a 46 ball hundred at international level is really something. Well done, Jos - looks like he's found his mojo again! PS I've just read that he went from 50 to 100 in just 16 balls! I saw Stevens hit a 44 ball century three seasons ago, but that was with a boundary on one aside that was less than 40 yards and against a rubbish attack of Hatchett, Liddle, Beer, Hamilton-Brown and Nash... Buttler different class... |
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