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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 8, 2016 11:47:48 GMT
Squarelegs, Using SKY as an example is irrelevant now. BT Sport will dominate cricket coverage in the future as this article suggests that includes free-to-air daily highlights of future internationals and the Big Bash League. SKY are hackneyed and over the hill. Not surprising when you've used the same commentators for the last 25 years. Watching Bob Willis in a wheel-chair? No thank you. www.itv.com/news/2015-08-24/bt-beat-sky-sports-to-win-rights-to-next-ashes-series-in-australia/
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 20, 2016 8:00:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 9:01:19 GMT
Bit of a non-story that says nothing new other than floating the risible fantasy that Graves and Harrison will resign if the counties don' t accept change. They won't. If they don't get it through this autumn, they will fine tune the plan and bring it back with an offer to stuff more money in the mouths of the non-participating counties. Indeed, it wouldn't surprise if the likes of Sussex and Kent are minded to oppose the proposal currently on offer (believed to be an additional £1 million per annum to each county) on the basis that Graves and Harrision will then be forced to come back and offer £1.5 million. The wishful-thinking that "the ECB could well be looking for a new chairman and chief executive before Christmas" may be comforting for the Graves haters, like Dobell. But frankly it's for people who still believe that Santa Claus comes down the chimney...
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Post by flashblade on Aug 20, 2016 9:05:35 GMT
This article might not receive an objective response on this board, bearing in mind the identity of the author. I agree that cricket should make money to exist - not exist to make money. The problem is that many counties are in financial difficulties, having been encouraged by the ECB to borrow heavily to finance grandiose, ego-driven, ground redevelopment. So there is a need to generate cash in the short to medium term. I am leaning towards the 18 county/two division T20 model, but I'm not sure why Sky would want to pay more for that than they do for the existing model. The ECB proposals are designed to make lots of money, although this might be wishful thinking. Without free to air TV coverage, it certainly won't reach any new viewers.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 20, 2016 16:55:52 GMT
It's little more than "Media Wars".
'The Cricketer Magazine', under the editorship of Simon Hughes, has chosen to back an EPL and editor David Hopps at 'Cricinfo' has decided to change their stance to oppose 'The Cricketer' viewpoint using the website "star" journalist to front this opinion.
Politics always prevails... imho.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 20, 2016 18:22:04 GMT
It's little more than "Media Wars". 'The Cricketer Magazine', under the editorship of Simon Hughes, has chosen to back an EPL and editor David Hopps at 'Cricinfo' has decided to change their stance to oppose 'The Cricketer' viewpoint using the website "star" journalist to front this opinion. Politics always prevails... imho. I say, fluffy - you're beginning to undermine my faith in journalistic integrity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2016 19:11:19 GMT
It's little more than "Media Wars". 'The Cricketer Magazine', under the editorship of Simon Hughes, has chosen to back an EPL and editor David Hopps at 'Cricinfo' has decided to change their stance to oppose 'The Cricketer' viewpoint using the website "star" journalist to front this opinion. Politics always prevails... imho. That would explain why they have censored all comments in support of change (including mine!) By pure coincidence, all 20 comments they have published support the premise of the article. Would have expected more integrity from Hopps, if not from Dobell. Frankly it stinks and cricinfo is belittled by its refusal to allow any debate on the position it has taken. It might also explain why Freddie Wilde, one of the most articulate advocates of an EPL, hasn't been writing for cricinfo recently.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 20, 2016 20:58:23 GMT
Bm,
It's bog standard the media take a stance over such a provocative subject - you know this as well as anyone - but not to publish comments that are anti their standpoint, in such a niche and specialist field, is not acceptable.
I am disappointed with editor David Hopps. He has become more conservative in recent years. Originally, the cricket website were behind a T20 Franchise tournament but the change began around early 2015 and as the success of the 'T20 Blast' has grown during the last few years, this has added ammunition to the county cause.
Whether, this is a case of simply attracting new readers and take away readership from 'The Cricketer' is unclear, but given the fickle nature of their senior correspondent, I would suggest Cricinfo could well change their stance again, once we learn what the ECBs proposals are.
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Post by flashblade on Aug 20, 2016 21:42:07 GMT
Bm, It's bog standard the media take a stance over such a provocative subject - you know this as well as anyone - but not to publish comments that are anti their standpoint, in such a niche and specialist field, is not acceptable.I am disappointed with editor David Hopps. He has become more conservative in recent years. Originally, the cricket website were behind a T20 Franchise tournament but the change began around early 2015 and as the success of the 'T20 Blast' has grown during the last few years, this has added ammunition to the county cause. Whether, this is a case of simply attracting new readers and take away readership from 'The Cricketer' is unclear, but given the fickle nature of their senior correspondent, I would suggest Cricinfo could well change their stance again, once we learn what the ECBs proposals are. Agreed. This 'strategy' must inevitably result in a decline in the publication's credibility. We are not fools.
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 21, 2016 9:01:32 GMT
I can not take seriously the idea that the most influential cricket website is remotely bothered by the opinions of a magazine with a circulation of circa 20,000. Perhaps they have merely interpreted the facts accordingly. Yesterdays triumph by Northants is another blow for those who would be cast aside by the so called elite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 9:26:06 GMT
Yesterdays triumph by Northants is another blow for those who would be cast aside by the so called elite. But Northants were playing at a sold-out Edgbaston, which is fine. However, they played their group stage matches in front of "crowds" of 2-3,000 at the County Ground, Northampton, where the facilities are barely first-class standard. Sadly that alone disqualifies the Northampton Nuggets from a place in the new EPL. Players like Duckett, Cobb and Kleinvedlt would presumably be able to continue to play at Edgbaston, seconded to the Birmingham Bears for the brief duration of the new tournament? Re. cricinfo, their unremitting criticism and hostilty towards Graves is probably less to do with rivalry with The Cricketer per se, and more to do with pique that Graves gives exclusive interviews to The Cricketer and Sky rather than to cricinfo and ESPN! Still, if they reckon it's likely Graves will be out of the job by Christmas, why should they care?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 21, 2016 11:54:06 GMT
Lg, by the opinions of a magazine with a circulation of circa 20,000.Actually circulation has risen in recent months to over 21,000. Please get your facts right.
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 21, 2016 12:21:21 GMT
s&f I have been one of those subscribers for many years and am pleased with the re-launch, especially the extra coverage of county cricket. I just doubt that cricinfo see them as a rival.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 19:24:24 GMT
This article from The Cricket Paper starkly exposes the vacuity of the selfish conservatism of opposition in 'the shires'. www.thecricketpaper.com/news/county-cricket/1891/graves-is-facing-a-mutiny-in-the-shires-over-his-plans-for-t20-city-franchises/Somebody called 'Eddie Alcorn' - described as a "regular blogger" on Kent's official website, although I confess Id never heard of him in 54 seasons of following Kent - threatens Colin Graves that if he ever dares to turn up at Canterbury he will get "a shredding – an absolute shredding”. 'Eddie Alcorn' then claims to represent "the silent majority" - a phrase which from Richard Nixon to Nigel Farage has always conveyed the stench of hypocrisy and the whiff of self-serving cant. The "majority" of what? The majority of the tiny handful of Kent's 2 million plus residents who turn up to watch county cricket at Canterbury, where they cannot survive without an annual seven figure stipend from the ECB (led by the soon-to-be shredded Colin Graves)? The majority of the 2-3,000 faithful who watched the seven home games played by T20 Blast champions Northamptonshire? The majority of Sky Sports viewers, who tune in to the IPL and the Aussie Big Bash, but allegedly don't want a similar high-profile competition in English cricket ? The majority of those who have signed squareleg's preposterous 'save out counties' petition which hijacks the badges of all 18 f/c counties on its website but after weeks of canvassing every cricketing internet forum in the country stil only has attracted 400 signatures? Even if 'Eddie Alcorn' speaks for the 'silent majority' of those who attended T20 Blast matches this season (which he certainly does not) it's still less than 200,000 people. Attendances this season failed to meet the predicted one million target (almost 15 per cent of attendances coming at The Oval alone, btw) - and as most spectators attend an average of 4-5 matches per season, the math really isn't very difficult, even for an arithmetical dunce like me. Perhaps he's talking about the 'silent majority' of county members, which across the 18 clubs now stands at fewer than than 50,000? Which ever way our self-appointed spokesman for 'the slient majority' slices it, there's 64.8 million people in the UK who haven't been near a cricket ground this season. That's the 'silent majority', not 'Eddie Alcorn' and his tiny circle of conservative die-hards. An EPL only has to capture 0.5 per cent of the genuine 'silent majority' and cricket's audience will have been more than doubled.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 25, 2016 7:06:07 GMT
From the Surrey forum "Come on the Rey" ovalworld.freeforums.net this report from their own Members Forum yesterday (RG is Richard Gould, Chief Executive) RG confirmed that Surrey have had to sign a non-disclosure agreement with the ECB regarding city franchises. He could therefore only discuss what was in the public domain, but this wasn't really a problem as what's in the public domain was true. He referred to George Dobble's article on Cricinfo – which was tweeted by the Club's official Twitter feed the previous evening – as "the best exposé".
RG claimed: "The ECB don't want Surrey to play in the premier T20 tournament".
A County T20 competition would continue alongside the city franchise competition, but in RG's opinion this was second tier.
There would be "eight super teams, selected by the ECB", and RG believes that the ECB wants to take control of the County game. His concern was what would happen after the initial four-year deal, and would the ECB then try to force the same model on the Championship.
He said that decision-makers need to think of what is good for the sport, and queried whether the likes of Sam Curran would break into a team if there were only eight teams, each with four overseas players. There would be 140 fewer places for English players.
Surrey are going to need some help as the ECB "seems quite determined" and there is a split between the Counties, as some have financial difficulties and want the cash. Northamptonshire have an extraordinary general meeting next week to convert from a members' club to a company owned by private investors.
Once the non-disclosure agreement has expired, Surrey will put the options to its members.
He did not want Surrey to become just a venue to host cricket, and said: "We don't want to be like the MCC".
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