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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 16:52:38 GMT
Both sides believe it is a wicket for bowling in the ist ODI. India won the toss and put England in, and England leaving out their strongest batsmen Bairstow and in form one Billings. We shall see. You can shuffle the batsmen any which way you want. Bairstow and Billings for Buttler and Morgan wouldn't have made any difference. It's the bowling which is inept. This is India, the land of spin - but still Rashid and Ali couldn't be trusted to bowl more than half their overs. And even England's lionheart , Stokes, went for ten boundaries in ten overs. This isn't T20 it's 50 over cricket - and if you serve up a four ball every over you are not an asset but a liability. As to what the answer is, I'm totally perplexed. Keep on serving up green tops for our seamers at home - and just accept we're going to be stuffed out of sight every time we set foot on foreign soil?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 19:38:45 GMT
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 19, 2017 11:51:54 GMT
Both sides believe it is a wicket for bowling in the ist ODI. India won the toss and put England in, and England leaving out their strongest batsmen Bairstow and in form one Billings. We shall see. You can shuffle the batsmen any which way you want. Bairstow and Billings for Buttler and Morgan wouldn't have made any difference. It's the bowling which is inept. This is India, the land of spin - but still Rashid and Ali couldn't be trusted to bowl more than half their overs. And even England's lionheart , Stokes, went for ten boundaries in ten overs. This isn't T20 it's 50 over cricket - and if you serve up a four ball every over you are not an asset but a liability. As to what the answer is, I'm totally perplexed. Keep on serving up green tops for our seamers at home - and just accept we're going to be stuffed out of sight every time we set foot on foreign soil? Another day, another stonking middle-order partnership after a strong initial breakthrough. Stokes is suffering as badly as the spinners, and the effect is even worse because of his supposedly talismanic qualities and the effect his own performance has on team morale. In the 20 ODIs he has played since the New Zealand series at home in Summmer 2015, his figures are 110.2 overs bowled, 1 maiden, 658 runs and 12 wickets. That is a strike rate of one wicket per 55 balls, and an economy rate of fractionally short of 6 per over. The combination of these is mediocre, and contrasts with the rest of his career: 154-2-967-29, still more than 6 per over, but a strike rate of under 32 balls. Could it be that the wounds inflicted by Carlos Brathwaite have not healed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 12:36:07 GMT
And Plunkett was even worse... Ball not much better and Willey is totally one-dimensional and so is only allowed to bowl with the new ball.
England's body language was just terrible as the innings ran away from them. Stokes doing all that ridiculous shaking of his head. Morgan with that puzzled look of utter bemusement. Ball and Plunkett running in at the end with such a total lack of self-belief that they seemed to regard it as a victory if the ball only went for four instead of six.
They looked like a bowling unit that has given up and is consoling itself by dreaming of green English pitches in the Champions Trophy in June.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2017 19:36:13 GMT
According to legside lizzy, England's bowling is struggling because we are missing Mark Wood (12 wkts in 11 ODIs at 48 apiece).
Funny how the only players whose reputation has been enhanced by England's disastrous winter are those who haven't been playing!!!
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 22, 2017 7:53:05 GMT
I understand England will be adopting a new strategy. From now on any England innings will produce the largest score of any match ever played in any country, period. If the media report that their opponents have outscored them or England's bowlers have under-performed the reporters and broadcasters will be told they are among the most dishonest people on earth, and that they are reporting false news. It simply didn't happen. Any attempts to lessen the enthusiasm about the inevitable English victory are shameful and wrong.
The strategy is supported, protected one might almost say by a new team talk to be delivered by Bayliss, that will include some ritual phrases:
The time for empty talk is over. Now arrives the hour of action. We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again. England will start winning again, winning like never before. From this moment on, it's going to be England (and Wales) First.
In this way the inclusion of Billings and Bairstow for Root and Hales will be seen as being that vital strengthening of the bowling that the team needs and we can simply ignore any 4th or 5th wicket partnerships of 200 by India because they didn't happen. They were false news, the kind of thing that happened in Nazi Germany.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 22, 2017 8:38:28 GMT
In accordance with this new strategy England have piled on the runs in the first 8 overs, at least 100 of them with Billings never missing a bill, connecting perfectly to every delivery from Kumar and Pandiya. And don't go spreading any false news because you know this is true.
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Post by gmdf on Jan 22, 2017 8:50:08 GMT
I understand England will be adopting a new strategy. From now on any England innings will produce the largest score of any match ever played in any country, period. If the media report that their opponents have outscored them or England's bowlers have under-performed the reporters and broadcasters will be told they are among the most dishonest people on earth, and that they are reporting false news. It simply didn't happen. Any attempts to lessen the enthusiasm about the inevitable English victory are shameful and wrong. The strategy is supported, protected one might almost say by a new team talk to be delivered by Bayliss, that will include some ritual phrases: The time for empty talk is over. Now arrives the hour of action. We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again. England will start winning again, winning like never before. From this moment on, it's going to be England (and Wales) First. In this way the inclusion of Billings and Bairstow for Root and Hales will be seen as being that vital strengthening of the bowling that the team needs and we can simply ignore any 4th or 5th wicket partnerships of 200 by India because they didn't happen. They were false news, the kind of thing that happened in Nazi Germany. I rather suspect we haven't changed our bowling because - as is pretty obvious - we don't have any bowlers, esp. spin bowlers, who would make a positive difference. PS As a Kent supporter, I'm pleased Sam Billings is getting a game...but it is only fair to point out that we tried him as a one day opener a few years ago, and moved him down the order to 4 or 5 because it didn't generally work out. I wonder if England actually know that...
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 22, 2017 9:06:17 GMT
I understand England will be adopting a new strategy. From now on any England innings will produce the largest score of any match ever played in any country, period. If the media report that their opponents have outscored them or England's bowlers have under-performed the reporters and broadcasters will be told they are among the most dishonest people on earth, and that they are reporting false news. It simply didn't happen. Any attempts to lessen the enthusiasm about the inevitable English victory are shameful and wrong. The strategy is supported, protected one might almost say by a new team talk to be delivered by Bayliss, that will include some ritual phrases: The time for empty talk is over. Now arrives the hour of action. We will not fail. Our country will thrive and prosper again. England will start winning again, winning like never before. From this moment on, it's going to be England (and Wales) First. In this way the inclusion of Billings and Bairstow for Root and Hales will be seen as being that vital strengthening of the bowling that the team needs and we can simply ignore any 4th or 5th wicket partnerships of 200 by India because they didn't happen. They were false news, the kind of thing that happened in Nazi Germany. I rather suspect we haven't changed our bowling because - as is pretty obvious - we don't have any bowlers, esp. spin bowlers, who would make a positive difference. PS As a Kent supporter, I'm pleased Sam Billings is getting a game...but it is only fair to point out that we tried him as a one day opener a few years ago, and moved him down the order to 4 or 5 because it didn't generally work out. I wonder if England actually know that... We're living in a post-factual world now gmdf and if England says Billings is a one day opener then clearly he must be the very finest one day opener in the history of the world. Anyone who says that he is too limited, too prone to react instinctively with a hook without getting to the pitch of the ball is clearly wrong.
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Post by hhsussex on Jan 26, 2017 12:22:25 GMT
A scorecard entry to satisfy Sussex and Kent viewers on this forum:
HH Pandya c Billings b Mills 9
England 122-6, with one wicket each for Jordan and Mills (the latter's first in international cricket).
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Post by philh on Jan 29, 2017 15:05:46 GMT
Four wickets for Sussex in the 2nd T20 in India. Good work, CJ and Tymal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2017 20:27:42 GMT
Four wickets for Sussex in the 2nd T20 in India. Good work, CJ and Tymal. Shame the batsmen lost the plot. 32 needed from four overs with seven wkts in hand - should have been impossible to lose from there but somehow Stokes, Root and Buttler contrived to do so. That it was England's three most talismanic white ball batsmen who blew it so badly made it all the more extraordinary. But that's the beauty of T20 at its best and is why I have learnt to love it. It's all so fast and furious that anything can happen - and frequently does. Jordan v impressive these last two matches. Up to 90 mph and pretty much as quick as Mills. Yet Naseer Hussain still says every single match "Jordan's problem is he's a one-dimensional bowler and lacks real pace". He's been saying it every single game since Jordan made his England debut! Apart from the comedy gold when Hussain and Ravi Shastri get narked with each other and start a pissing contest as they try to outdo each other bigging up England/India, Hussain really is a godawful commentator. Every wicket and every landmark: "You can see what it means to him!" as said bowler/batsman pumps the air. Thanks for that Nas; wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. He does it every blooming wicket. I only fully realised how intensely annoying it is watching the BBL over the last few weeks. The commentary seemed somehow different from the England v India commentary we'd been hearing all winter and I tried to work out why. Then the penny dropped. The difference was there wasn't some some idiot shouting: "You can see what it means!" every few balls...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 19:50:57 GMT
Thank heavens that humiliation is over.
Now we can take on the worst West Indies side in my lifetime and try to pretend we're champs again!
It would be pointless to look for scapegoats over the three series, but it strikes me that few had a worse tour than Buttler.
76 on his return to the side in the fourth Test innings defeat ("oh look, he's really benefited from not playing red ball cricket for a year") - and 84 runs in his next eight innings acrioss three different formats.
He needs to go back to Lancs and rediscover the art of run-scoring. Because at the moment, I'd put him third in the England batsman/keeper stakes behind both Bairstow and Billings.
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Post by leedsgull on Feb 2, 2017 9:31:03 GMT
So what have we learnt? Root must produce match winning innings not cameos if he is to be compared with the best. Stokes is neither a top batsman or bowler yet. Ali is possibly a better bowler than batsman in one day matches. The openers have no plan B, they just slog until they get out. Buttler needs to have a defined role in the batting order, probably at 5. Morgan has rediscovered his form and has cemented his place for the foreseeable future. None of the batsman can really play spin with any confidence and the bowlers are largely cannon fodder.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 10:02:50 GMT
So what have we learnt? Root must produce match winning innings not cameos if he is to be compared with the best. Stokes is neither a top batsman or bowler yet. Ali is possibly a better bowler than batsman in one day matches. The openers have no plan B, they just slog until they get out. Buttler needs to have a defined role in the batting order, probably at 5. Morgan has rediscovered his form and has cemented his place for the foreseeable future. None of the batsman can really play spin with any confidence and the bowlers are largely cannon fodder. Don't be so one-sided, lg. Apart from the fact that the batsmen can't bat and the bowlers can't bowl, it's all going very well!!!
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