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Post by flashblade on Jul 30, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
I agree re Taylor, a great batsman in his day but his day has passed. I'm looking forward to Davis's post match interview, can't see how he can put a positive spin on this one. Perhaps he'll just chuckle and say something amusing - it often works. |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 30, 2017 19:10:40 GMT
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Post by joe on Jul 30, 2017 22:21:26 GMT
By all accounts Ross Taylor refused to talk to the press after the game.
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 31, 2017 5:14:54 GMT
By all accounts Ross Taylor refused to talk to the press after the game. I'm sorry but if you are captain of Sussex I expect you to show more professionalism than this. |
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Post by joe on Jul 31, 2017 8:23:09 GMT
When are we going to sign an overseas who actually makes a difference or isn't injured? We must have the worst record in the country for signing duds or crocks. I'd rather we played our home grown players than fork out thousands for the pile of s*** we've signed recently, they couldn't have done any worse.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 31, 2017 8:37:47 GMT
Waking up this morning to a beautiful day, it is hard now to comprehend yesterday's rain-sodden nightmare. Questions : Not having attended or listened to the match fully, how could our strong bowling attack allowed Somerset to score 12.5 runs an over? : What would have happened if Taylor had walked off with Van Zyl during the innings in protest? : Did Mark Davis or any Sussex player carry out an interview afterwards? : What is the general view from Sussex supporters about how the game was allowed to carry on? : Will the Club make a formal complaint to the ECB? Looking at the table, we are still only 3 points away from 4th place in the table, where we have one game in hand over four other counties; so if Sussex win all their remaining games, there is a fair chance we may sneak in for a QF place. But lose against Surrey on Thursday and one feels that opportunity has probably gone. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/english-twenty20/table |
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Post by grandavefan on Jul 31, 2017 9:03:48 GMT
I listened to the match on the radio.
Adrian Harmes, is he Radio Sussex or Radio anyone but Sussex? Doesn't know the players, doesn't support them. He will say Tymal, what a bowler, Jordan and Archer the same. The rest, nothing. Team Adrian, team.
The match, a farce. Lucky to start, Somerset do well, the rain comes when Sussex bat. It's not going to improve is it? Dangerous, an injury waiting to happen. Played to keep the money in Somerset. Greed, pure greed.
Umpires lacked commonsense in this instance.
As for the Sussex bowling. I've questioned before, John Lewis's role. Bowling coach? I don't think so. Same plan through out the innings (Competition). Everything was hit down the ground, extra cover or pulled.
Somerset bowled, hardly any of these. They had a plan.
Why aren't they (Archer, Garton, Jordan, Wiese)practicing variations?
Like team selection, plan A and plan A. No B, C or D.
Taylor, no contribution. Is captaincy weighing too heavily on him? He was a 'failure' as NZ captain and replaced by McCullum.
A sign that some can and some can't? Not always the best player is the best captain!
As for overseas players, not much around is there? Has anyone seen how many NZ are here and how many are average, no better than our own?
Not many I'd go and watch, RT might be one of 2 I would.
So, where are they, the overseas stars? SA touring, 2nd raters as Kolpacks, WI, got there own 2020, Aust, not allowed except 2nd raters.
So Joe, where do you go? You've got the questions but what about solutions? Where would you go, with a limited budget?
Bottom line on yesterday, Sussex unlucky with the weather, umpires failed to do there job. Money took over from commonsense.
When did Sussex last get such good fortune?
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Post by joe on Jul 31, 2017 9:05:49 GMT
I listened to the game and watched the highlights although there has been no match report on the Sussex web site and no post match interviews as yet uploaded. According to the commentators, although we had the worst of the conditions, Ross Taylor's walk out to the middle was slow and petulant, Adrian Harms describing it as embarrassing. I can't imagine the coach ride home was much fun for anybody and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a formal complaint made to the ECB by Sussex. To me it sounded like sour grapes but I suppose you have to trust a player like Taylor who's played more cricket games than I've had hot dinners to know if a game should be called off or not.
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Post by joe on Jul 31, 2017 9:13:14 GMT
I listened to the match on the radio. Adrian Harmes, is he Radio Sussex or Radio anyone but Sussex? Doesn't know the players, doesn't support them. He will say Tymal, what a bowler, Jordan and Archer the same. The rest, nothing. Team Adrian, team. The match, a farce. Lucky to start, Somerset do well, the rain comes when Sussex bat. It's not going to improve is it? Dangerous, an injury waiting to happen. Played to keep the money in Somerset. Greed, pure greed. Umpires lacked commonsense in this instance. As for the Sussex bowling. I've questioned before, John Lewis's role. Bowling coach? I don't think so. Same plan through out the innings (Competition). Everything was hit down the ground, extra cover or pulled. Somerset bowled, hardly any of these. They had a plan. Why aren't they (Archer, Garton, Jordan, Wiese)practicing variations? Like team selection, plan A and plan A. No B, C or D. Taylor, no contribution. Is captaincy weighing too heavily on him? He was a 'failure' as NZ captain and replaced by McCullum. A sign that some can and some can't? Not always the best player is the best captain! As for overseas players, not much around is there? Has anyone seen how many NZ are here and how many are average, no better than our own? Not many I'd go and watch, RT might be one of 2 I would. So, where are they, the overseas stars? SA touring, 2nd raters as Kolpacks, WI, got there own 2020, Aust, not allowed except 2nd raters. So Joe, where do you go? You've got the questions but what about solutions? Where would you go, with a limited budget? Bottom line on yesterday, Sussex unlucky with the weather, umpires failed to do there job. Money took over from commonsense. When did Sussex last get such good fortune? I've already said where I'd go, I'd play our own youngsters. Salt, Finch, Rawlins etc |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 31, 2017 9:25:15 GMT
Plenty of overseas players at other counties have already made major contributions in this years competition. We lack batting impetus, and have done for a few seasons, so if we were to be competitive, two overseas big hitters should have been recruited. Taylor has excellent pedigree, but is not the type of batsman we needed, and in my mind anyway, an un imaginative captain
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Post by joe on Jul 31, 2017 9:46:08 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Jul 31, 2017 9:48:01 GMT
Diplomacy par excellence! |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 31, 2017 9:53:29 GMT
Not specifically with this match in mind, we do need a complete rethink regarding our one day tactics and personnel
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Post by nemmo on Jul 31, 2017 12:18:45 GMT
Agree that our tactics and team balance haven't been right this year. Also think that it's ridiculous that the Somerset game was allowed to be played considering it was pouring with rain for the Sussex innings. Not exactly fair when the playing conditions are so vastly different, no way we were going to hit 4's on a sodden outfield and a wet wicket leads to uneven bounce, a wet ball is also harder to hit further.
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Post by devonexile on Jul 31, 2017 16:30:28 GMT
I am a regular reader of this message board and despite often having the urge to respond, I never seem to get around to it. However, having been in attendance at Taunton yesterday, I thought I would offer at least a first hand account of proceedings.
Firstly, in my humble opinion Somerset CCC and the Umpires did themselves no favours. The match descended into an absolute farce. This was probably in part down to both sides looking to at least have a fixture and secure two points, but PREDOMINANTLY (again only my personal view and not based on any hard evidence) I suspect an attempt to avoid the commercial fall out of having to refund significant ticket sales (do Counties insure against the risk of a wash out?). I lost count of the number of announcements, 'The Umpires will inspect the wicket again at...and providing there is no more rain, play will commence at', followed by yet another downpour. Proceedings could have easily been abandoned by 4pm, given the forecast of inevitable further rain.
Whilst it was certainly a unique cricketing experience watching the players slip and slide about underneath the protection afforded by a sturdy umbrella, it was in no way entertaining. I can't imagine it would have done anything to encourage a first time attendee back again.
Perhaps my view is slightly tarnished by my disappointment at the result, but I can assure you the game continued in heavy persistent rain, well past the point where it appeared reasonable or safe to do so and irrespective of the lower threshold bestowed for T20 playing conditions. Indeed, it would be interesting as to at what point brought most satisfaction. Completion of the second over of the Sussex innings when refunds of ticket sales were no longer an issue or completion of the fifth over (Somerset players rushing around in attempt to complete concerned about curtailment at any point) when by that time the obvious outcome of a Somerset victory was confirmed irrespective of how much longer the game continued.
But, notwithstanding the above, the better side won. Corey Anderson was outstanding and picking up on some of the points previously raised is the perfect overseas signing for T20. He can bowl and is a free scoring, hard hitting destructive batsmen and was the primary difference in this contest. As for Sussex, it was obvious at 1.30pm this match was never going to go the full distance, so whilst the decision when winning the toss to bowl was I believe correct, why did we choose to go with six bowlers when the high probability is we were unlikely to need them and the extra batter would have been far more beneficial?
Secondly, why did we elect to go pace on, whereas Somerset relied heavily on De Merwe and Waller. Archer (first over only), Jordan and Garton went to all corners of the ground. When Taylor threw the ball to Garton for his second over, there was a certain inevitability that Somerset were going to go after him and they did. Yet, Briggs bowled just one over and Beer wasn't used.
Thirdly, 1 wide for Somerset played 2 wides, 3 No balls and 4 byes in an eight over game. Fourthly, the field placings. We really didn't seem to have a plan with our fielders appearing to take up position by default, whereas Somerset always seemed to have there's in the right place. We even had a slip deployed in the second over.
Despite the rain, I maintain it was probably harder for the Somerset fielders. I am not convinced (I may be wrong) by what I witnessed the ball was slowed by the wet outfield, we still hit it off the square, unfortunately we picked out the fielders, yet the Somerset batsmen in their innings found the gaps. At the end of the fifth over, we were 33-3 less than a run a ball. It isn't that big a ground and given the 'sogginess' in front of the new stand, the boundary was actually shortened prior to the start to presumably allow the game to commence.
Having said all the above, some very big positives. Archer still absolute class. Two good catches by Beer and an absolute one handed stunner by Brown to dismiss De Merwe. Plus, Van Zyl showed he has what it takes for T20.
Finally, I don't blame Taylor over his frustration at being asked to play in those conditions. None of the players should have been and result aside, I am just glad no one was seriously injured. I believe we just need to write this off, get behind the Team and hope that we get a bit of the luck when it comes to our remaining six games.
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