A.S.
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Post by A.S. on Nov 12, 2021 17:59:11 GMT
Toss a coin for the response Heads: It's in the Guardian so it's communist fake news written by George Soros Tails: It's perfectly acceptable because the Democrats stole the election so the Republicans have to fight back in other ways Or, of course, it’s not in the Beano, which has a high circulation, so it can’t be true. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 13, 2021 9:35:40 GMT
Gerrymandering: I thought it was the other way around? Here are just a few examples.
More interesting, below is the history of this rampant bi-partisan U.S practice.
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Post by gmdf on Nov 14, 2021 11:21:52 GMT
Those who want to get away from right wing ideologues and other fantasists, may like to read this: ‘Terrifying for American democracy’: is Trump planning for a 2024 coup?
Republicans are vying for critical positions in many states – from which they could launch a far more effective power-grab than Trump’s 2020 effort
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/14/trump-president-2024-election-coup-republicansOne section near the beginning resonates with previous posts here:
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 14, 2021 13:05:32 GMT
I find it extraordinary.
The left-wing approach to "Alleged 2020 Presidential Election Fraud" is this:
The more evidence that emerges of Election Fraud, the deeper the left-wing put their heads in the sand. The denial is amazing
to perceive. It is now falling off the planet and heading out into the Galaxy.
The Guardian statements like, "...even this effort concluded that Biden had indeed won the state, recording an even bigger
margin for the Democratic candidate than the official count" is complete and utter tosh. This commentwhich has been distorted
and twisted has been proven now, over and over, again to be completely wrong via the mountains of evidence of fraud from
the Maricopa County Forensic Audit alone.
Obviously, evidence and facts are invisible to the left-wing media. These words do not exist. It is the elephant in the room, loudly
trumpeting, but they're deaf to its sound. Left-wing politics is becoming increasingly evangelical and fundamental in its nature.
What is going to happen up the road when there is sufficient evidence to decertify the 2020 result in growing numbers of U.S
States? How will the left-wing then cope?
Reality is a bizarre phenomenon.
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Post by gmdf on Nov 14, 2021 13:52:29 GMT
I find it extraordinary. The left-wing approach to "Alleged 2020 Presidential Election Fraud" is this: The more evidence that emerges of Election Fraud, the deeper the left-wing put their heads in the sand. The denial is amazing to perceive. It is now falling off the planet and heading out into the Galaxy. The Guardian statements like, "...even this effort concluded that Biden had indeed won the state, recording an even bigger margin for the Democratic candidate than the official count" is complete and utter tosh. This has been proven over and over again to be completely wrong via the mountains of evidence of fraud from the Maricopa County Forensic Audit alone. Obviously, evidence and facts are invisible to the left-wing media. These words do not exist. It is the elephant in the room, loudly trumpeting, but they're deaf to its sound. What is going to happen up the road when there is sufficient evidence to decertify the 2020 result in growing numbers of U.S States? How will the left-wing then cope? Reality is a bizarre phenomenon. You remind me of some batsmen who claim they aren't out, despite the umpire having raised their finger. The best advice to them is: 'look in the scorebook' (or, if the game is high enough profile, 'look in the newspaper tomorrow'). Biden won the 2020 election, and if you think otherwise, 'look in the newspaper'... 🤣 |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 14, 2021 13:59:45 GMT
Your batsman analogy is a good one when you bring DRS into the equation. At first, the person refuses to believe they're out, so the DRS is called. The evidence and facts of the dismissal is then carefully viewed, where every aspect is looked at in great detail. The final result shows that the batsman is out, after all the facts and evidence are carefully analysed. The left-wing represents the batsman who still refuses to walk as he refutes the DRS evidence. But, yes, you are right, Biden was "officially" the constitutionally-elect U.S President.  |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 14, 2021 14:20:34 GMT
WC - we all know your views on this subject, but I can't remember seeing one word of support for you in a thread which has run to 14 pages over a nine month period. There is no sign that anyone else on the board is the slightest bit interested in, or impressed by, your jottings on this subject. You've now accepted that Biden is President. I struggle to understand why you should think there is any mileage in continuing with this thread. Have you no other journalistic outlet for this subject?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 16:15:12 GMT
Your batsman analogy is a good one when you bring DRS into the equation. At first, the person refuses to believe they're out, so the DRS is called. The evidence and facts of the dismissal is then carefully viewed, where every aspect is looked at in great detail. The final result shows that the batsman is out, after all the facts and evidence are carefully analysed. The left-wing represents the batsman who still refuses to walk as he refutes the DRS evidence. But, yes, you are right, Biden was "officially" the constitutionally-elect U.S President. Imagine comparing a DRS review to the bat**** ramblings of a pillow salesman, great analogy  WC - we all know your views on this subject, but I can't remember seeing one word of support for you in a thread which has run to 14 pages over a nine month period. There is no sign that anyone else on the board is the slightest bit interested in, or impressed by, your jottings on this subject. You've now accepted that Biden is President. I struggle to understand why you should think there is any mileage in continuing with this thread. Have you no other journalistic outlet for this subject? Mr WC will probably point to the number of page views this thread has received, on the face of it another 2000 views in the last couple of weeks seems impressive albeit a touch unlikely on such an extremely quiet corner of the internet. Being rather sceptical of how accurate the page view count on this forum is I conducted a harmless little experiment - you can see the results of it on Tiptoes "UK celebrities married 4 times" thread which has miraculously leapt from 600 views to 15k so I don't think the page view count is a particularly reliable metric of how popular something here is. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 16, 2021 13:19:38 GMT
Fb, I have read, perhaps, several thousand posts from you over the last 10 years, but this must be one of the more lamentable ones. As we all know the vast majority of readers on a message board are known as ‘lurkers’. These represent by far and away the silent majority of any Forum. Most threads attract a tiny, tiny proportion of posters. Less than 1% of the number who read them. The U.S Election Fraud thread attracts no-more than four posters or ‘The Gang of 4’ as I refer to them. As the name suggests most are left-wing orientated who believe the 2020 Presidential Election result was rosy and true, everything was done by the book, with no fraud at all, where evidence to the contrary is ridiculed. It is sad to see you feel so uncomfortable about what I write on this thread. So uncomfortable that around a month ago you even asked the Mod to “SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN!” showing the readers a far left-wing trait, where if you don’t agree with a certain viewpoint then censor, erase, ridicule and eradicate, just as the left-wing social media do or: “Cancel Culture rules!"
Attempting to censor someone because you don’t agree with their view is not doing your cause any good at all. It shows you to be intolerant and close-minded, where each time you post an extreme comment like the example above, then the lurkers can read it and make up their own minds. Now, you are asking, almost pleading with me, to close down the thread and go elsewhere with the evidence. I do not understand this attitude, I really don’t. You leave me mystified. How can an intelligent person like yourself even think along such lines? As I have stated several times before, if the information upsets you so much, please don’t read this thread and above all, don’t post on this thread; but like the Forum addict you are, you can’t stop yourself and each time you do, the silent majority can view the left-wing mindset via your posts. So please, keep posting, keep showing these lurkers how intolerant you can be. For example, you spent over two years tediously spewing negativity on this Forum about The 100. Then you watched a couple of games on TV and had a ‘Road to Damascus’ moment. Perhaps, there is still some hope left for you, yet? So, to answer your latest question, of course I am not going to stop posting on this thread. I am a strong believer in the freedom of speech and a strong advocate of democracy. I have no desire to be like John Cleese and cancel myself. To repeat, to avoid any more discomfort, for goodness sake stop reading this thread. The answer could not be more simple. PS: BTW, one reason for the number of page views on this particular thread is because I tweet out links occasionally to my Twitter followers.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 16, 2021 13:53:35 GMT
Steady on, WC - I could almost take some of your remarks personally! Here are a few temperate comments, in reply:
A. I think you're flogging a dead horse. I was hoping you'd take the strong hint that you should stop embarrassing yourself.
B. I am not 'left wing' You use this lazy label quite often, but you should at least be aware that, politically and socially, I'm a non-tribal person.
C. You do not know what the lurkers think of your jottings, but you are well aware that those posters who have had the temerity to question your views believe your view on this subject is deluded.
D. I am not trying to censor you; having known you for a number of years, I do find your crusading zeal on this subject very worrying. I think it would benefit your reputation to close this thread, but I don't expect you to do this until you can find a reason/excuse to do so.
E. You are right - I did vilify The Hundred - I hoped it would fail because of the effect it would have on our domestic cricket generally. However, having watched it, I found it entertaining and am not afraid to admit that. But I still worry about its effect on the county game.
"When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?" John Maynard Keynes
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 16, 2021 20:54:54 GMT
Flash is a liberal, right Flash? Nice idea but just not workable. Too naïve, too vulnerable, too exploitable. If everyone was a liberal it would be great, totally peaceful and beautiful but I'm gonna let you into a little secret - there are some bad people on the planet. It's true.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 17, 2021 9:58:28 GMT
Flash is a liberal, right Flash? Nice idea but just not workable. Too naïve, too vulnerable, too exploitable. If everyone was a liberal it would be great, totally peaceful and beautiful but I'm gonna let you into a little secret - there are some bad people on the planet. It's true. You're not as verbally lazy as WC - at least you don't label me left wing! But your comments on liberal values and 'bad people' are all over the place. Having liberal values doesn't mean that one is naïve enough to forget that there are many bad people about. The latter fact reinforces the need to fight for decent humane behaviour. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 11:48:31 GMT
Fb, I have read, perhaps, several thousand posts from you over the last 10 years, but this must be one of the more lamentable ones. As we all know the vast majority of readers on a message board are known as ‘lurkers’. These represent by far and away the silent majority of any Forum. Most threads attract a tiny, tiny proportion of posters. Less than 1% of the number who read them. The U.S Election Fraud thread attracts no-more than four posters or ‘The Gang of 4’ as I refer to them. As the name suggests most are left-wing orientated who believe the 2020 Presidential Election result was rosy and true, everything was done by the book, with no fraud at all, where evidence to the contrary is ridiculed. It is sad to see you feel so uncomfortable about what I write on this thread. So uncomfortable that around a month ago you even asked the Mod to “SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN!” showing the readers a far left-wing trait, where if you don’t agree with a certain viewpoint then censor, erase, ridicule and eradicate, just as the left-wing social media do or: “Cancel Culture rules!"
Attempting to censor someone because you don’t agree with their view is not doing your cause any good at all. It shows you to be intolerant and close-minded, where each time you post an extreme comment like the example above, then the lurkers can read it and make up their own minds. Now, you are asking, almost pleading with me, to close down the thread and go elsewhere with the evidence. I do not understand this attitude, I really don’t. You leave me mystified. How can an intelligent person like yourself even think along such lines? As I have stated several times before, if the information upsets you so much, please don’t read this thread and above all, don’t post on this thread; but like the Forum addict you are, you can’t stop yourself and each time you do, the silent majority can view the left-wing mindset via your posts. So please, keep posting, keep showing these lurkers how intolerant you can be. For example, you spent over two years tediously spewing negativity on this Forum about The 100. Then you watched a couple of games on TV and had a ‘Road to Damascus’ moment. Perhaps, there is still some hope left for you, yet? So, to answer your latest question, of course I am not going to stop posting on this thread. I am a strong believer in the freedom of speech and a strong advocate of democracy. I have no desire to be like John Cleese and cancel myself. To repeat, to avoid any more discomfort, for goodness sake stop reading this thread. The answer could not be more simple. PS: BTW, one reason for the number of page views on this particular thread is because I tweet out links occasionally to my Twitter followers.
Except when Flashblade disagrees with you? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 18, 2021 14:28:55 GMT
Fb,
Life is too short and all that. I disagree and agree with your comments.
I am not flogging a dead horse as new evidence of U.S election fraud emerges all the time. Unfortunately, I find people like yourself "deluded" as you're blind to the obvious. It doesn't matter how much evidence
you give, it will never be enough. As for "Embarrassing yourself?" I can think of a lot more embarrassing
things than this.
I agree with you though on calling someone left or right wing as lazy. Instead, they are two people with
opposing viewpoints. Politics has little to do with it. Meanwhile, I am more passionate than zealous about
this subject. It has been awhile since an issue has so riled me. Not since Chris Adams was so blatantly
shunned by the Club hierarchy. How different might Sussex CCC be today, if he'd been offered the well- deserved coaching job after Mark Robinson left.
As to the lurkers, they are lurkers, so we have no idea what they think as they never post, but instead
enjoy the voyeur nature of a Forum. Good luck to them. So much easier, simpler and comes with a lot less aggravation.
As for closing this thread, I note it is heading up towards 8,000 page views now. BUT, what I plan
in the future is:
a) Only post "election fraud updates" when sufficient new evidence is amassed.
b) Come the New Year, I will be copying the best past articles from this thread to another platform, where
the posters/lurkers are more open and amenable to the subject. Sometimes, it feels like you are hitting
your head against a brick wall when only four people, all with opposing views, post. 1 against 4 is quite
pointless when you know it doesn't matter how much evidence you offer. The dynamic never changes.
The rigidity never mellows. This new platform may well prove more positive and you'll then be rid of me.
Don't all four of you cheer at once. (BTW that is not an excuse!)
A great pity that those who do agree Re: the 2020 Presidential Election was fraudulent (these numbers
are growing by the day: a recent poll shows 61% of Americans agree) don't post on this thread, but then
they probably don't wish to have their heads bitten off.
Meanwhile, if we don't chat again, Happy Christmas. Only five weeks to go. And after that you can dream of me disappearing off into the Forum distance. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 18, 2021 16:03:42 GMT
Thanks for your response, WC. Happy Xmas to you and yours! |
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