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Post by coverpoint on Oct 3, 2014 11:15:12 GMT
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Post by jonboy on Oct 3, 2014 11:25:58 GMT
Thanks for your contribution Jon and good luck in the future A bowling coach here maybe?
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Post by hhsussex on Oct 3, 2014 11:28:23 GMT
An honest, hard working bowler who contributed quite a lot in his short time, particularly to the slightly false dawn of our first two championship wins. I wish him well and hope that, however he is replaced, it is with as much professionalism as he showed.
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 3, 2014 11:58:42 GMT
Yes he contributed well early on. I'm always pro this kind of one year deal to fill a hole in the squad, it's no surprise to see him leaving. He'd make a good bowling coach I'm sure. The Mills link is exciting.
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Post by fraudster on Oct 3, 2014 16:54:10 GMT
Was always gonna happen but I assumed he was gonna take on a coaching role, that was all the talk when we signed him. We'll need a bowling coach to get the best from the Axe-Man, Hobbo and The Essex Express, if we get him. Have we got a bowling coach? My unknowledgable guess is that Lewis would be a good 'un.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 17:34:37 GMT
Lewis surprised us with his early season form and thanks to him for that. Then he did exactly what we expected a 39 year old who still runs in at full pelt would do - he broke down. As for a coaching role, I guess Robinson figures he himself knows as much about seam bowling as anyone and so has that area covered.
I'd forgotten that Robinson worked with Mills on the Lions tour to Sri Lanka. But I do remember joking on the old messageboard - with tongue only partially in cheek - that the tour was a great opportunity for him to tap up the div two members of the tour party and suggest to them that a move to the south coast would be a sensible way to advance their careers!
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 28, 2014 9:26:36 GMT
Not the greatest of surprises: LEWIS: Jon appointed Bowling Coach at HoveI think we've expected this since he arrived as a player, and I'm sure his great experience and knowledge of the game at all levels, particularly in the white-ball game will pay off big dividends. Interesting that Mark Robinson betrays his priorities so very clearly in his welcoming remarks: "Jon’s role is to oversee and develop the current bowlers that we have and also nurture the younger bowlers in our youth system so in time we will constantly have a depth of seamers at the disposal of the first team". I hope he can also find time to coach a spinner or two. Good luck Jon. On edit: Even more interesting, the club announcement is that he is Bowling Coach, although as noted above Robinson is clearly expecting him to work on seam bowlers. But Lewis' own Twitter personal details have been amended to read:"Gloucestershire,Surrey,Sussex and England cricketer. Now Fast Bowling Coach at Sussex CCC,love the wifey , the nippers , golf and a Swindon town fan." So is the appointment purely as a fast-bowling coach, and will there be another appointment to coach and develop spinners? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 28, 2014 10:49:23 GMT
hhs,
You make an interesting point.
Sussex CCC have decided on a full-on 'seam attack policy' where spin comes a distant second. That is how county cricket is
developing. Seam, seam, seam... Durham won the Championship recently, so did Yorkshire with similar policies. Admittedly,
Adil Rashid took 40 wickets this season, but all this shows is Counties can win the title with two part-time spinners, each taking
20 wickets - a quite possible feat. Meanwhile, Andy Mackay is thrusting forward improving his seamer-friendly Hove wicket.
That, sadly, is the future of county cricket, perhaps?
So, where does this put Team England? Peter Such must feel as impotent as a beer-guzzler after 12 pints. Will international spinners
be seen as exotic creatures of the future who are always batsmen first and twirlers second? Is Moeen Ali the template of England
and county cricket's future spin attack?
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Post by jonfilby on Nov 30, 2014 23:15:56 GMT
Not the greatest of surprises: LEWIS: Jon appointed Bowling Coach at HoveI think we've expected this since he arrived as a player, and I'm sure his great experience and knowledge of the game at all levels, particularly in the white-ball game will pay off big dividends. Interesting that Mark Robinson betrays his priorities so very clearly in his welcoming remarks: "Jon’s role is to oversee and develop the current bowlers that we have and also nurture the younger bowlers in our youth system so in time we will constantly have a depth of seamers at the disposal of the first team". I hope he can also find time to coach a spinner or two. Good luck Jon. On edit: Even more interesting, the club announcement is that he is Bowling Coach, although as noted above Robinson is clearly expecting him to work on seam bowlers. But Lewis' own Twitter personal details have been amended to read:"Gloucestershire,Surrey,Sussex and England cricketer. Now Fast Bowling Coach at Sussex CCC,love the wifey , the nippers , golf and a Swindon town fan." So is the appointment purely as a fast-bowling coach, and will there be another appointment to coach and develop spinners? Jon is the fast bowling coach. I very much doubt we will appoint a full-time specialist spin coach. As you rightly point out, the priority is clear. To be competitive Sussex need to develop a group of fast bowlers as described by Robbo in your quote above.
We also need to develop spinners but obviously not in the same quantity. Mark Davis works closely with our spinners who also get external input from time to time including visits from ECB spin-bowling coaches. The development of our spinners is very important but the number of them does not, and probably never will, justify a full time appointment.
I am absolutely delighted that Jon Lewis has become our first full-time fast bowling coach. We could not find better.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 3, 2014 12:03:13 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 3, 2014 12:34:15 GMT
I wish Lewis every success in achieving this however it has to be said that with the exception of Garton, Hobden and Hatchett the quality of seamers that have come through since the days of Kirtley and Lewry have been extremely disappointing. The fact that Hudson-Prentice had to be turned from a specialist batsman to an all-rounder is testament to this. The simple fact is that players like Sam Grant, Tim Moses, Abidine Sakande and Stuart Whittingham haven't had to do near enough in terms of wicket taking before being selected for the Academy. Is it any wonder if they can't take wickets at Under 17 level that they are unable to do so at a higher level! With Garton moving up to Under 18 there are slim pickings. Of the five seamers likely to be named in the Under 17 squad only Nick Smith and Ben Twine taking more than two wickets. Lewis needs to watch Under 14/15/17 and Academy games if he is going to identify the next up and coming seamers. However, Smith and Twine are the best two between 14 and 17 and they aren't great. In Will Collard, Daniel Doram, Sam Rattle and Nick Oxley we have four wicket taking spinners.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2014 16:06:34 GMT
I am absolutely delighted that Jon Lewis has become our first full-time fast bowling coach. We could not find better.
Yes, I think it should turn out to be an excellent appointment and Lewis has what it takes to become a very good coach. But let's not carried away and start dubbing him the world's best when he is is just taking up his first ever coaching post! He's got a big job to do. Mills is raw and will surely need and welcome guidance; Shahzad, we know, doesn't like being told how to bowl so that will need diplomatic as well as coaching skills. With Jordan he will have the delicate job of trying to ensure the England coaches don't mess him up, as they did with Finn and Rankin. Hatchett is far from the finished article and should benefit greatly from Lewis's advice. But I suspect his toughest task will be coaching the quick bowlers how to go for less than nine an over in the T20 Blast! |
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Post by jonfilby on Dec 3, 2014 16:13:31 GMT
I am absolutely delighted that Jon Lewis has become our first full-time fast bowling coach. We could not find better.
Yes, I think it should turn out to be an excellent appointment and Lewis has what it takes to become a very good coach. But let's not carried away and start dubbing him the world's best when he is is just taking up his first ever coaching post! He's got a big job to do. Mills is raw and will surely need and welcome guidance; Shahzad, we know, doesn't like being told how to bowl so that will need diplomatic as well as coaching skills. With Jordan he will have the delicate job of trying to ensure the England coaches don't mess him up, as they did with Finn and Rankin. Hatchett is far from the finished article and should benefit greatly from Lewis's advice. But I suspect his toughest task will be coaching the quick bowlers how to go for less than nine an over in the T20 Blast! Agreed |
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Post by jonboy on Dec 4, 2014 15:44:08 GMT
I wish Lewis every success in achieving this however it has to be said that with the exception of Garton, Hobden and Hatchett the quality of seamers that have come through since the days of Kirtley and Lewry have been extremely disappointing. The fact that Hudson-Prentice had to be turned from a specialist batsman to an all-rounder is testament to this. The simple fact is that players like Sam Grant, Tim Moses, Abidine Sakande and Stuart Whittingham haven't had to do near enough in terms of wicket taking before being selected for the Academy. Is it any wonder if they can't take wickets at Under 17 level that they are unable to do so at a higher level! With Garton moving up to Under 18 there are slim pickings. Of the five seamers likely to be named in the Under 17 squad only Nick Smith and Ben Twine taking more than two wickets. Lewis needs to watch Under 14/15/17 and Academy games if he is going to identify the next up and coming seamers. However, Smith and Twine are the best two between 14 and 17 and they aren't great. In Will Collard, Daniel Doram, Sam Rattle and Nick Oxley we have four wicket taking spinners. Yes, when it comes to developing the next generation, we may have to wait a while before we start to see any positive results. I don't profess to know too much about those in our age groups, mainly in fact, what I've gleaned from your postings. We certainly have to do better in the future, but in the meantime, how do we bridge that gap? For the next few years, it doesn't look as if we will be producing too many seamers from the academy, although George Garton seems a fine prospect. Could we look further afield in the short term? Are the minor counties a potential source for a young quick to bring into our academy? What about the young Barbadian, Archer, who we had on extended trial. Obviously it is desirable if we can recruit local youngsters, but if there are currently less options than we'd like, then we might have to broaden the search. It would be much cheaper than trying to recruit the finished article from another county. |
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 6, 2014 12:20:42 GMT
I think we might need to as Garton is the only seamer who I think is good enough to be considered for a contract in the next five years.
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