Rob
2nd XI player
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Post by Rob on Dec 3, 2023 21:25:26 GMT
Not sure who owns the land, but what does anyone feel about selling Hove for housing and moving to a new ground ? If Nevill Road is valued at a supposed £40m, our HQ must be worth a considerable sum. The Amex has contributed towards the football club’s growth.
if HQ was relocated, my only proviso would be that any new ground must have convenient rail access.
Thoughts ?
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Post by lovelyboy on Dec 3, 2023 22:04:55 GMT
Not sure who owns the land, but what does anyone feel about selling Hove for housing and moving to a new ground ? If Nevill Road is valued at a supposed £40m, our HQ must be worth a considerable sum. The Amex has contributed towards the football club’s growth. if HQ was relocated, my only proviso would be that any new ground must have convenient rail access. Thoughts ? One hundred percent against. We’ve been at the ground for 150 years. We don’t have much going for us these days but if we lose Hove as well then it really is game over. It’s part of our soul and it would be devastating to leave |
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Post by joe on Dec 4, 2023 9:49:10 GMT
It depends whether you want Sussex to move with the times or wallow in nostalgia.
I’m not sure where I stand on this, Sussex cricket played anywhere other than Hove would take some getting used to.
I read an article recently which said when the 100 is played by all the counties instead of the Blast (because Sky like the format and hold the purse strings) there will be 2 divisions. There will be promotion and relegation but any county with a ground capacity less than 16,000 couldn’t be promoted. In other words Sussex would be stuck in Div 2 forever.
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 9:58:22 GMT
Given the amount of investment theyve made in the ground in the last 10 years id be surprised if it happens.
Interesting Joe so in effect it would be a 2 tiered competition
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Post by joe on Dec 4, 2023 10:53:18 GMT
Given the amount of investment theyve made in the ground in the last 10 years id be surprised if it happens. Interesting Joe so in effect it would be a 2 tiered competition Who knows 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t know the capacity of other grounds like Derby, Leicestershire, Worcestershire etc but I’m guessing they would fall short of 16,000 capacity? Perhaps Gloucestershire are planning for the future? |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 10:59:10 GMT
Without temporary seating the toilet bowl holds 15000
Maybe a merger with the Albion is the future and Tony Bloom can build us a stadium.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 4, 2023 11:06:46 GMT
As I stated in a recent piece on the Wicked Cricket Column, the Club spent some time looking into this issue during the noughties.
An area south of Crawley, not too far from Pease Pottage, was earmarked as a potential site, but given the upheaval etc.. the county
board voted against the move and why Dave Brooks then went ahead with the Hove redevelopment in 2010.
We know that the only way for Sussex to return to its glory days is via money. Previously, the Spen Cama legacy floated the
boat. So, where does this financial assistance come from?
: A wealthy benefactor.
: A business consortium or individual purchasing the Club.
: Selling the Hove ground and relocating, where the profit is used.
The present ground is too small to generate the sufficient new funds required. It will never become a TMG, for example. The
best that can be hoped for is an annual Women's International. So, realistically, amidst all the positive, gung-ho rhetoric, Sussex
may remain in Division 2 being used as a feeder club for bigger clubs e.g Ali Orr.
What Sussex has always lacked is longterm ambition and vision. History shows that every number of decades (1960s, 1980s and
2000s), the club enjoys a brief period of success and then returns to its underachieving slumber. Call it a mindset, if you like.
It requires a dynamic, entrepreneurial individual (Rod Bransgrove at Hampshire being an example), to shake Sussex up and forge
ahead with something daring and bold. Yet, what often holds the county back is its small-minded politics that pervades all aspects of
the Club. The only way to change that is via a radical step like the 1997 Members' Rebellion.
For once again, after 10 years of success, it has now slithered back to its past underachieving mindset, as if failure is a part of the
Club's longterm fabric.
It is very sad to see this pattern keep repeating itself.
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 11:33:53 GMT
When you look at the finances something doesnt add up to me. I had a look out of pure curiousity what the wage bills were in 2018 and 2022 and comparible profit.
Wage bill 2018 - £3586307 - operating loss 406k
Wage bill 2022 - £4110465 - operating profit 355k
Our wage bill has increased by nearly 600k since 2018 throws open a lot of questions when you look at things in black and white.
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Post by northfan on Dec 4, 2023 15:10:54 GMT
When you look at the finances something doesnt add up to me. I had a look out of pure curiousity what the wage bills were in 2018 and 2022 and comparible profit. Wage bill 2018 - £3586307 - operating loss 406k Wage bill 2022 - £4110465 - operating profit 355k Our wage bill has increased by nearly 600k since 2018 throws open a lot of questions when you look at things in black and white. You’re conflating some group figures and company figures. The figures for Sussex Cricket Limited ( company ) are: 2018 Wage bill £3.168 M. Operating loss £406K 2022 Wage bill £3.635 M Operating profit £444K increase in wage bill is therefore £467K Admin and coaching staff numbers increased from 31 to 42, ground staff reduced from 11 to 9 and playing staff increased from 23 to 26. The group figures include the cricket foundation. The staff costs for this have risen by about £57K over the same period, whereas the number of coaching/admin staff has risen by 9. |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 15:18:21 GMT
When you look at the finances something doesnt add up to me. I had a look out of pure curiousity what the wage bills were in 2018 and 2022 and comparible profit. Wage bill 2018 - £3586307 - operating loss 406k Wage bill 2022 - £4110465 - operating profit 355k Our wage bill has increased by nearly 600k since 2018 throws open a lot of questions when you look at things in black and white. You’re conflating some group figures and company figures. The figures for Sussex Cricket Limited ( company ) are: 2018 Wage bill £3.168 M. Operating loss £406K 2022 Wage bill £3.635 M Operating profit £444K increase in wage bill is therefore £467K Admin and coaching staff numbers increased from 31 to 42, ground staff reduced from 11 to 9 and playing staff increased from 23 to 26. The group figures include the cricket foundation. The staff costs for this have risen by about £57K over the same period, whereas the number of coaching/admin staff has risen by 9. Thank you! So with increased staffing, we are making more money? |
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Post by northfan on Dec 4, 2023 15:27:43 GMT
You’re conflating some group figures and company figures. The figures for Sussex Cricket Limited ( company ) are: 2018 Wage bill £3.168 M. Operating loss £406K 2022 Wage bill £3.635 M Operating profit £444K increase in wage bill is therefore £467K Admin and coaching staff numbers increased from 31 to 42, ground staff reduced from 11 to 9 and playing staff increased from 23 to 26. The group figures include the cricket foundation. The staff costs for this have risen by about £57K over the same period, whereas the number of coaching/admin staff has risen by 9. Thank you! So with increased staffing, we are making more money? Courtesy of the increase of approximately £2m received from the ECB in 2022 compared to 2018. |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 15:28:17 GMT
Thank you! So with increased staffing, we are making more money? Courtesy of the increase of approximately £2m received from the ECB in 2022 compared to 2018. ah makes sense now, thanks for clarifying. |
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Post by squarepoint on Dec 4, 2023 16:55:47 GMT
It depends whether you want Sussex to move with the times or wallow in nostalgia. I’m not sure where I stand on this, Sussex cricket played anywhere other than Hove would take some getting used to. How about Eastbourne, Hastings, Horsham or Arundel? 😉 |
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Post by squarepoint on Dec 4, 2023 18:02:03 GMT
What Sussex has always lacked is longterm ambition and vision. History shows that every number of decades (1960s, 1980s and 2000s), the club enjoys a brief period of success and then returns to its underachieving slumber. Call it a mindset, if you like. It’s not just Sussex though is it? You could say the same about almost every county apart from a gilded few. Ultimately those with a much bigger catchment area will generate a lot more revenue and have a bigger talent pipeline. It’s possible for a smaller county to overcome the odds temporarily but incredibly difficult to sustain that. For instance, if we were to sell our ground, build a cheaper one elsewhere and maintain our support in the new location (by no means certain) we might spend the windfall on wages and buy success for a while. But that money would run out eventually and we’d have to go back to living within our means. Would all the disruption have been worth it? None of this is to say that we should lack any ambition or accept the standards we’ve had recently though. We can do better with the resources we have. |
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Post by Short Leg (formerly yikemardy) on Dec 4, 2023 18:52:52 GMT
If we can get the right money and secure the right alternative site , then 100% sell it.
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