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Post by moderator1 on Nov 13, 2014 16:12:27 GMT
Following Kent's successful offer of an extended contract to James Tredwell, and bearing in mind Mark Robinson's remark , apropos of other winter signings ,that “You never say never but I think that will be it apart from T20. If there had been another Tredwell or a domestic (Saeed) Ajmal knocking around it might have been different but there isn’t.”, what do we think our spin options might be in 2015?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 18:49:40 GMT
The answer might depend on a question I asked elsewhere, which was:
"Are we certain that Magoffin's English qualification will apply immediately from June, and not from Jan 1 the following year? Do the qualification rules - which have grown increasingly complex over recent years - permit a player to change his status mid-season?"
If we have no overseas playerr in the LVCC after June, there is the possibility to bring in a sub-continental wizard for ther second-half of the season to spin us to the title...
In the meantime I've voted for Zaidi as he at least deserves the chance to start the season at number seven and could potentially deliver the number of runs we will expect from that slot.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 14, 2014 11:39:19 GMT
At first glance, I thought this thread was about the club's PR strategy for 2015.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 9:16:34 GMT
How anyone from Sussex can vote for Rafiq is beyond me! The usual 'grass is greener' ones no doubt. You should be ashamed not supporting your own.
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 19, 2014 10:01:39 GMT
It would be refreshing to see Beer get the chance. If not it looks like Zaidi or all-seam again, unless we can squeeze an overseas spinner. I quite liked the look of Prasanna for Sri Lanka the other day.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 12:19:53 GMT
From what Robinson says in an interview on the BBC cricket web-page today, it will be Zaidi and he will bat at seven: "Ideally we want to be able to play four seamers. That is the strategic goal. In order to do that you need one of your batters to bowl very good seam or your spinner to be able to bat at number seven or eight and get enough runs."
Does Wright qualify as the batter who bowls "very good seam"? A total of 51 overs in the LVCC last season which produced three wks suggests not, so it has to be Zaidi in a first-choice XI that goes:
Nash
Wells
Joyce
Cachopa
Wright
Prior
Zaidi
Jordan
Shahzad
Magoffin
Mills
Not really relevant to this thread, but I see Bruce Talbot is tipping Wright as the next Sussex captain and predicting he will lead the side "in the way Grizz did".
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Post by flashblade on Nov 19, 2014 12:24:47 GMT
From what Robinson says in an interview on the BBC cricket web-page today, it will be Zaidi and he will bat at seven: "Ideally we want to be able to play four seamers. That is the strategic goal. In order to do that you need one of your batters to bowl very good seam or your spinner to be able to bat at number seven or eight and get enough runs." Does Wright qualify as the batter who bowls "very good seam"? A total of 51 overs in the LVCC last season which produced three wks suggests not, so it has to be Zaidi in a first-choice XI that goes: Nash Wells Joyce Cachopa Wright Prior Zaidi Jordan Shahzad Magoffin Mills
Not really relevant to this thread, but I see Bruce Talbot is tipping Wright as the next Sussex captain and predicting he will lead the side "in the way Grizz did".Luke has always been my choice for the next captain (sorry, Nashy) - it's just a question of how long Robbo waits before appointing him . . . |
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Post by moderator1 on Nov 19, 2014 12:28:55 GMT
Its good to see that so many regular posters are participating in this poll, and fascinating to watch the close contest between Zaidi and Beer unfolding day by day. Perhaps this opposition between new arrival and home-grown also mirrors the make up of the board in the way that our red-ball/white-ball seems to have done. Interesting to think how it might have been had Tredwell still been a possibility....and there is always Rafiq or some other option. Poll closes at midnight on Saturday.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 19, 2014 12:31:31 GMT
I hope he waits until Joyce retires, and with vast amounts of respect to both of these excellent players, that it isn't for a couple of years. |
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Post by jonboy on Nov 20, 2014 8:56:49 GMT
Although Robbo may have implied it, I'd be very surprised if we went in with Zaidi at 7. Not that he isn't capable of batting there, he probably is, but there are better batting options in my opinion. For us to be able to play a balanced side, with four front line seamers and a spinner, we probably need someone like Allenby, who has just moved to Somerset. If we had someone like that, capable of batting in the top six, then we could even consider playing Beer in the championship. In fact, this is what I feel Robbo will look to do next season, providing Will continues to make progress. The best chance of finding a seamer who can bat that high in the order will be through the overseas route.
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Post by moderator1 on Nov 20, 2014 9:05:39 GMT
Although Robbo may have implied it, I'd be very surprised if we went in with Zaidi at 7. Not that he isn't capable of batting there, he probably is, but there are better batting options in my opinion. For us to be able to play a balanced side, with four front line seamers and a spinner, we probably need someone like Allenby, who has just moved to Somerset. If we had someone like that, capable of batting in the top six, then we could even consider playing Beer in the championship. In fact, this is what I feel Robbo will look to do next season, providing Will continues to make progress. The best chance of finding a seamer who can bat that high in the order will be through the overseas route. Do you want me to record your vote for Beer in the poll jonboy, as I know you seem to have trouble viewing it on your mobile? |
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Post by jonboy on Nov 20, 2014 9:20:59 GMT
Although Robbo may have implied it, I'd be very surprised if we went in with Zaidi at 7. Not that he isn't capable of batting there, he probably is, but there are better batting options in my opinion. For us to be able to play a balanced side, with four front line seamers and a spinner, we probably need someone like Allenby, who has just moved to Somerset. If we had someone like that, capable of batting in the top six, then we could even consider playing Beer in the championship. In fact, this is what I feel Robbo will look to do next season, providing Will continues to make progress. The best chance of finding a seamer who can bat that high in the order will be through the overseas route. Do you want me to record your vote for Beer in the poll jonboy, as I know you seem to have trouble viewing it on your mobile? Yes, happy for you to do that |
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Post by wally on Nov 20, 2014 13:24:28 GMT
Seems unlikely that we will make a signing unless Robbo really wants Rafiq. It is also unlikely that either beer or Zaidi are nailed on in any form. Certainly beer will start in the one day games in front of Zaidi. I expect Zaidi will start in front of beer in the four day game,but in April and may we may play four seamers and neither Zaidi or beer.
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 20, 2014 13:39:34 GMT
Seems unlikely that we will make a signing unless Robbo really wants Rafiq. It is also unlikely that either beer or Zaidi are nailed on in any form. Certainly beer will start in the one day games in front of Zaidi. I expect Zaidi will start in front of beer in the four day game,but in April and may we may play four seamers and neither Zaidi or beer. Quite apart from the state of the pitches early in the spring it will be necessary to have a significant number of overs bowled by spinners because of the slow over-rate of our star seamers. Last season Middlesex chose the option of an all-seam attack at Hove for the opening game, and not only lost comfortably but were fined 2 points for unacceptably slow overs. This has become one of the things that umpires are marked on, ensuring that overs are delivered quickly and that the old excuses of time lost for fall of wickets or changing a ball are not accepted as readily as before. This is one of the reasons that Zaidi was peresevered with well into May, despite his appalling lack of form with the bat and his innocuous bowling. If neither Zaidi nor Beer bowls in April and May - half of the championship programme - then Nash and Wells will have to get through 10 or 15 overs a game as a minimum, just to avoid points penalties, and regardless of the runs they may give away. Nash is a better bowler than Wells, of course, but his forte is 3 or 4 overs as a partnership-breaker, not as a key member of the attack. To bowl Beer in these circumstances would risk a really heavy leakage of runs, and would probably destroy whatever confidence he has into the bargain. Additionally his batting is certainly not strong enough for him to go in at 7. |
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Post by wally on Nov 20, 2014 18:37:43 GMT
Seems unlikely that we will make a signing unless Robbo really wants Rafiq. It is also unlikely that either beer or Zaidi are nailed on in any form. Certainly beer will start in the one day games in front of Zaidi. I expect Zaidi will start in front of beer in the four day game,but in April and may we may play four seamers and neither Zaidi or beer. Quite apart from the state of the pitches early in the spring it will be necessary to have a significant number of overs bowled by spinners because of the slow over-rate of our star seamers. Last season Middlesex chose the option of an all-seam attack at Hove for the opening game, and not only lost comfortably but were fined 2 points for unacceptably slow overs. This has become one of the things that umpires are marked on, ensuring that overs are delivered quickly and that the old excuses of time lost for fall of wickets or changing a ball are not accepted as readily as before. This is one of the reasons that Zaidi was peresevered with well into May, despite his appalling lack of form with the bat and his innocuous bowling. If neither Zaidi nor Beer bowls in April and May - half of the championship programme - then Nash and Wells will have to get through 10 or 15 overs a game as a minimum, just to avoid points penalties, and regardless of the runs they may give away. Nash is a better bowler than Wells, of course, but his forte is 3 or 4 overs as a partnership-breaker, not as a key member of the attack. To bowl Beer in these circumstances would risk a really heavy leakage of runs, and would probably destroy whatever confidence he has into the bargain. Additionally his batting is certainly not strong enough for him to go in at 7. All true. |
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