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Post by jim on Dec 21, 2014 14:40:51 GMT
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Post by lovelyboy on Dec 21, 2014 20:58:19 GMT
Sounds like a great idea Jim. Surely planing permission is just a formality?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 22:00:50 GMT
Sounds like a great idea Jim. Surely planing permission is just a formality? That's what Kent CCC rather arrogantly thought! But thankfully the Cromwell Rd office units are discreet and unobtrusive and don't offend the neighbours - unlike Kent's proposal for a monstrously inappropriate old people's home that butts unaccoptably close to the playing area and has the architectural subtelty of the Long Kesh H-Blocks. It would have fundamentally destroyed the character of the ground forever and the totally inappropriate nature of the development provoked justifiable protests from just about every resident's organisation and conservation group in Canterbury, not to mention many of the county club's own members. Those who currently run the Kent county club will not see it like this , but Kent CCC has had a very lucky escape and the majority of its members - who still theoretically 'own' the club and voted for a quite different and far less offensive project back in 2008/9 - should be hugely grateful to the city council for blocking such wanton destruction. At least one voice is now advocating an appeal to the Secretary of State; hopefully if they go down that route, the appeal will have little chance of success. The Sussex application makes much financial sense if the intention is to rent out the units and therefore derive an annual income, unlike the doomed Kent plan, which proposed selling off prime real estate and destroying the ground forever in return for a short-term one-off cash injection that wouldn't even cover the playing budget for a single season.
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Post by jim on Dec 22, 2014 7:56:59 GMT
Zac Toumazi and Ian Waring conducted an extensive consultation with the local residents which resulted in some changes in design.
We are not taking anything for granted but have tried to approach the matter in the round involving various stakeholders.
It is part of building up a rental portfolio at the ground with the Sussex Cricketer being our main tenant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 10:00:42 GMT
Zac Toumazi and Ian Waring conducted an extensive consultation with the local residents which resulted in some changes in design. We are not taking anything for granted but have tried to approach the matter in the round involving various stakeholders. It is part of building up a rental portfolio at the ground with the Sussex Cricketer being our main tenant. This is the sensible way to go, creating year-on-year income streams rather than flogging off the family silver until there are no tangible assets left to strip.
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Post by coolbox on Mar 2, 2015 13:01:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 13:18:07 GMT
That was simple, swift and straightforward in comparison to Kent's nightmarish experience which has so far dragged on for two years and will go on for another year if it goes to appeal.
Planning is a process rather than merely a decision, and if you handle that process properly - the kind of extensive consultation which resulted in design changes, as outlined by Jim above - then the final decision becomes a formality.
In the Kent case, there were plenty of objections to the size and scale of the development by local resident groups but they all seem to have been ignored and not to have resulted in any changes to the original design.
Well done Sussex.
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Post by flashblade on Mar 2, 2015 13:51:32 GMT
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 2, 2015 13:57:40 GMT
Thank you, flashblade. I always like to see the detail, it is where the devil usually resides.
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Post by flashblade on Mar 3, 2015 10:36:04 GMT
The architect's drawing looks good, as you'd expect. I fear that those employed in these new offices are going to be terribly distracted on match days. There's going to be an awful lot of aural and visual activity going on around them.
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Post by flashblade on May 2, 2016 20:14:34 GMT
As I walked around the new development in the north east corner of the ground on Sunday, it struck me that this has significantly reduced the ground capacity in this area. This is only likely to be an issue for T20 matches, but the area available to spectators has been considerably reduced; there used to be a large crowd in this area. I assume therefore that the overall ground capacity has been reduced, which will reduce the potential income from our sell-out T20 evenings. It would be interesting to hear from someone at the club what the reduction in ground capacity is likely to be. Thanks in advance.
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Post by coverpoint on May 2, 2016 21:21:56 GMT
It won't matter if the team keeps playing like this!
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Post by moderator1 on May 3, 2016 5:48:55 GMT
As I walked around the new development in the north east corner of the ground on Sunday, it struck me that this has significantly reduced the ground capacity in this area. This is only likely to be an issue for T20 matches, but the area available to spectators has been considerably reduced; there used to be a large crowd in this area. I assume therefore that the overall ground capacity has been reduced, which will reduce the potential income from our sell-out T20 evenings. It would be interesting to hear from someone at the club what the reduction in ground capacity is likely to be. Thanks in advance. This from the original Sussex newspage, and quoted by jim "As a by-product of the investment in improving the playing area, the land adjacent to the north-east corner that is occupied by spectators has now been ‘banked’ to a greater extent, This should offer a better view of the playing area for supporters, particularly those who enjoy sitting on deckchairs at the Cromwell Road End. There will not be a reduction in ground capacity due to this proposed development." unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/6290/threadlinkI will move this post to the same thread and perhaps jim can expand on the earlier statement.,
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Post by flashblade on May 3, 2016 7:14:07 GMT
Thanks, Mod1 - I forgot we had this earlier thread.
I'm very surprised that the ground capacity isn't expected to reduce. The newly developed area seems to have taken up a reasonable chunk of the former spectator area in the NE corner. It was a good idea to create a banking to improve the view, but, in itself, I can't see how that would affect the capacity. Maybe Jim can clarify?
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Post by coverpoint on May 3, 2016 8:16:31 GMT
FB - everyone is going to be shoe horned in which is fine until something goes wrong like Hillsborough.
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