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Post by therealab1 on Oct 11, 2023 7:10:17 GMT
Not sure about Lloyd and Donald or Pat Brown for that matter, i dont think any of them obviously improve our 4 day team at all.
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Post by Short Leg (formerly yikemardy) on Oct 11, 2023 12:00:39 GMT
It depends on what version of those players that you get.
Take Reece Topley. He looked finished at Hants but is now one of England’s best white ball bowlers (thanks in no small part to us).
You could argue Donald and Brown have been ruined by injury .
But they are young enough to benefit from a change of county and rebuild their careers.
If Brown is fit he is a better bet than any of our regular quicks. Not that that says much.
Donald briefly looked great at Glamorgan.
Lloyd - okay, nothing special but I’d have him at Sussex
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Post by joe on Oct 11, 2023 14:29:15 GMT
No point swapping out mediocre players for more mediocre players to come in, we need proven players. Reece Topley was already a proven player just on his way back from a long injury, Sussex were prepared to take a chance on him which would have been wholly justified if he hadn’t had ambition and buggered off to Surrey.
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 11, 2023 15:14:18 GMT
It depends on what version of those players that you get. Take Reece Topley. He looked finished at Hants but is now one of England’s best white ball bowlers (thanks in no small part to us). You could argue Donald and Brown have been ruined by injury . But they are young enough to benefit from a change of county and rebuild their careers. If Brown is fit he is a better bet than any of our regular quicks. Not that that says much. Donald briefly looked great at Glamorgan. Lloyd - okay, nothing special but I’d have him at Sussex Big statement on Brown that, he averages 45 in first class cricket. Joe is spot on, we already have these types of players we need and should expect better than this. |
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Post by Short Leg (formerly yikemardy) on Oct 11, 2023 15:42:10 GMT
It depends on what version of those players that you get. Take Reece Topley. He looked finished at Hants but is now one of England’s best white ball bowlers (thanks in no small part to us). You could argue Donald and Brown have been ruined by injury . But they are young enough to benefit from a change of county and rebuild their careers. If Brown is fit he is a better bet than any of our regular quicks. Not that that says much. Donald briefly looked great at Glamorgan. Lloyd - okay, nothing special but I’d have him at Sussex Big statement on Brown that, he averages 45 in first class cricket. Joe is spot on, we already have these types of players we need and should expect better than this. It’s hardly a big statement. We have a particularly weak seam attack while Brown was in the England set up once (ok lots of injuries since then leading to poor form ) and is only 25. If he can regain previous form , or even close, he is better than crocombe, hunt, Currie, garton, Atkins. Hopefully Farbrace has something up his sleeve and we get the established quality players you talk about. As it stands we have no new signings while other counties have been trading (although there’s still plenty of time). It could be that these Derbys signings are at the upper end of the market that the likes of Derbys and Sussex are operating in. Would Jake Ball be a better bet than Brown ? not sure about that . It’s another old crock seamer disaster waiting to happen. |
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Post by joe on Oct 11, 2023 17:09:30 GMT
I would say Crocombe, Currie and Garton are all better than Brown. Brown had the knuckle ball which got him a lot of white ball wickets early in his career but batters soon sussed him out and in my opinion he’s lucky to have found another county to take him on. I would have been very disappointed if he’d come to Sussex.
Jake Ball is a different story, he’s got a point of difference with his hight, definitely worth a punt.
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Post by j on Oct 11, 2023 17:19:54 GMT
I would say Crocombe, Currie and Garton are all better than Brown. Brown had the knuckle ball which got him a lot of white ball wickets early in his career but batters soon sussed him out and in my opinion he’s lucky to have found another county to take him on. I would have been very disappointed if he’d come to Sussex. Jake Ball is a different story, he’s got a point of difference with his hight, definitely worth a punt. Crocombe is certainly not better than Brown. Have we not been down the Ball route beforehand though with Claydon, Meaker, Finn? Ageing seamers well past their best. Our bowling would be improved if Garton could start pulling his finger out, not by signing another one who's over the hill. Andrew out. |
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Post by Short Leg (formerly yikemardy) on Oct 11, 2023 17:56:11 GMT
I would say Crocombe, Currie and Garton are all better than Brown. Brown had the knuckle ball which got him a lot of white ball wickets early in his career but batters soon sussed him out and in my opinion he’s lucky to have found another county to take him on. I would have been very disappointed if he’d come to Sussex. Jake Ball is a different story, he’s got a point of difference with his hight, definitely worth a punt. I think Ball will come to Sussex. It just kind of fits. It would be great to think he will have an Indian summer but that’s very rare for quicks who are the wrong side of 30 and have a poor injury record. Add to J’s list Amjad Khan, Anyon, Jon Lewis, Shahzad. To be fair to the club, it is not easy . Few players are available, and the test ground counties have first pick, then the rest of Div One then Northants and Derbys by the look of it. It will need Sussex to pull a couple out of the bag. As well as Ball , I reckon we will get a very high profile overseas skipper, possibly at the expense of Pujara. We would still need at least one more high quality signing to be competitive, as ball and said skipper would only really be covering pujara and Chris Wright. |
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Post by sponge on Oct 11, 2023 21:59:32 GMT
We need to get rid of Kirtley.
Bring in a decent bowling coach who can motivate and guide our bowling talent.
Stop all this nonsense of trying to find the hidden gem from other Counties.
We have enough talent that unfortunately has gone backwards under Kirtley.
Hopefully McAndrew will return; plus one other bowler; and then promotion is realistic.
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Oct 13, 2023 10:06:52 GMT
Does anyone know when the players retain list is being released?
We seem to be the only county that hasn’t said which players aren’t being retained.
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Post by joe on Oct 13, 2023 11:59:57 GMT
Does anyone know when the players retain list is being released? We seem to be the only county that hasn’t said which players aren’t being retained. Does that surprise you? I just hope Farby and his cricket committee are being given the backing of the board as Filby said they would. |
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 13, 2023 12:48:21 GMT
Does anyone know when the players retain list is being released? We seem to be the only county that hasn’t said which players aren’t being retained. Does that surprise you? I just hope Farby and his cricket committee are being given the backing of the board as Filby said they would. Filby did say there isnt a thing now called a released or retained list like there used to be. I think he said there was only 2 players out of contract and i think one of them was Robinson. This has been communicated. |
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Post by joe on Oct 13, 2023 12:58:33 GMT
The 2 out of contract are Ward and Currie.
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Post by j on Oct 13, 2023 22:25:04 GMT
The 2 out of contract are Ward and Currie. I would be very surprised if either are offered new deals. Farbrace has said he wants 3 format players. Ward hasn't quite hit the heights in white ball and hasn't had a sniff in red ball. Currie has performed in white ball but not really been given too opportunities in red ball. Andrew out. |
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Post by therealab1 on Oct 16, 2023 11:30:39 GMT
Id keep both, inexpensive squad players.
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