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Post by fraudster on Aug 11, 2015 20:43:21 GMT
So for you at least S&F, it's all about the ECB pumping at least 40 big ones in and the seemingly relative success of other countries franchise tournaments, mainly Australia.
Regarding Australia: "Logic suggests x3 the BBL figures." Does it? To me logic suggests that cricket is Australia's national game, or one of them, whereas cricket in England is actually quite a niche sport, probably behind rugby and several million light years behind football. How can you emulate the BBL in a country where cricket isn't as big? You can't presume we'd get three times the viewing figures because we have three times the population while trying to compare a niche sport with a mainstream one. Your logic does not stack up there, for me. Or your maths ( a bit biased to your view when rounding off).
"Network 10 saw 1.9m Aussies watching the 2014 final." What's this? Presumably it's terrestrial TV is it? Could we get our comp on TTV? We'd need to if we're to emulate the BBL. Another thing we'd need is 2 million people actually liking cricket - that's much easier to find in Australia despite their smaller population.
"Over 650,000 attended the 35 matches during 2013-2014." Again, it's their national sport. And India's. That's why they have these massive stadiums that they fill out with 90 odd thousand people. What's our biggest, 25, 30?
And what of this, the huge backlash that our franchises would face from disgruntled county fans who refuse to support a region largely built up of other county players and other county fans which all in all, has little or nothing to do with the county they've supported for Christ knows how long. That might push half of the cricket lovers away in itself, which is already a small audience, and again, it's not a problem that the Aussie or Indian model has had to deal with. Their infrastructure is set up perfectly for a six or eight team franchise league. Ours is not.
"But critics argue Australia is very different to England." No wonder.
Why don't the ECB just pump 40 million into paying off half the dept (your maths not mine)? There's far too many risks in building a model around a hugely different template.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 11, 2015 21:19:11 GMT
Fraudy,
I am sure the Forum would be most interested to read your ideas on how the
£90m debt can be paid off.
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Post by fraudster on Aug 11, 2015 21:35:34 GMT
If you can't pay it back don't borrow it. I hope they enjoyed it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2015 22:00:50 GMT
Huge backlash from county supporters? Doubt it. There aren't enough of them to lash anything. Who do you think the 28,000 at lords for middx v surrey t20 were? They sure as hell weren't surrey or middx diehard regulars!
Get with the programme, fraudster. If you want to keep CC cricket alive we need the money from a super league to do it.
I'm a cricket traditionalist and would be happy in a CC world of narnia for the rest of my days. But the world outside the magic wardrobe has changed and the magic kingdom cannot survive without radical change.
County diehard members shot themselves in the foot with their opposition to the Morgan report which would have preserved 14 CC games. They insisted on 16 and now Graves and Harrison are going to have their revenge on the intransigents by only allowing them 12. Serves them right, really.
They will score another own goal if they oppose a super league instead of accepting it and concentrating on securing proper financial safeguards for the non tmg counties.
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Post by invicta1977 on Aug 12, 2015 7:19:56 GMT
If you can't pay it back don't borrow it. I hope they enjoyed it. I'm certainly concerned that the flow of new money from an EPL might, rather than pay off the counties' debts, simply be used as collateral to take out yet more loans. We've seen how the Premiership works - the more money in, the more is shockingly wasted. That said, I don't find it difficult to support the next incarnation of 'alternative, commercially viable cricket'. This has been going on since 1962. What I don't understand is the necessity to cull the Championship, when there's an unwanted, outdated one-day tournament that could easily be sacrificed in place of a fresher, more attractive descendent. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 12, 2015 8:11:20 GMT
Invicta,
when there's an unwanted, outdated one-day tournamentI agree with you but unfortunately 50 over is back in vogue after the World Cup and the recent New Zealand tour. Last year the media moaned and groaned about the format, now it's the latest slice bread with fancy nuts. It represents the 'new cricket' that England have grasped. Does anyone know the UK RLC attendance figures for 2015? It would be interesting to compare this with the 20% increase in T20. Meanwhile, the sense of invincibility that county clubs have over their creditors is quite shocking. The idea they should gain preferential treatment and the blackmail that goes with this. Glamorgan has been the worst example to date. "Who would dare place 'moi' into bankruptcy!" The best thing that could happen is for a county to go into administration. That would create shockwaves and a warning to the others. Perhaps, Lalit Modi might then take over the running of the 17 and kick out the ECB as he plans to do with the ICC.  |
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 12, 2015 8:38:38 GMT
Invicta,
when there's an unwanted, outdated one-day tournamentI agree with you but unfortunately 50 over is back in vogue after the World Cup and the recent New Zealand tour. Last year the media moaned and groaned about the format, now it's the latest slice bread with fancy nuts. It represents the 'new cricket' that England have grasped. Does anyone know the UK RLC attendance figures for 2015? It would be interesting to compare this with the 20% increase
in T20.Meanwhile, the sense of invincibility that county clubs have over their creditors is quite shocking. The idea they should gain preferential treatment and the blackmail that goes with this. Glamorgan has been the worst example to date. "Who would dare place 'moi' into bankruptcy!" The best thing that could happen is for a county to go into administration. That would create shockwaves and a warning to the others. Perhaps, Lalit Modi might then take over the running of the 17 and kick out the ECB as he plans to do with the ICC. Well that's the big unanswered question: does anybody actually know what the attendance figures are? We've been through this in attempting to analyse the championship attendance figures produced by the clubs and it is pretty clear that they vary from, at best, a reasonable estimate to a complete inability to check and audit figures correctly - Yorkshire last year was a classic case in point. Outside of the allocated seat tournaments there is absolutely no control over all of those people attending who do not physically buy a ticket at a turnstile. Some clubs, like Sussex, now have QR coded membership cards, and provided all stewards use their readers then there should be an accurate tally here. But what of the clubs that don't, that simply rely on clickers? What of the significant numbers who turn up with hospitality groups, or the larger number who have vouchers from LV, or from some other promotion? What of those who come in mid to late afternoon when a steward is busy elsewhere? What about outgrounds where the stewarding is provided by local volunters? Until the counties can prove that they are competent to provide an audit-proof system for counting admissions it simply isn't credible to take their word for it on whether numbers have increased or decreased. |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 12, 2015 21:18:08 GMT
The big unanswered question is how would an EPL create more money? As far as I can see. What money from a new Super League BM? It doesn't matter who the 28,000 at Lord's were, there will still only be 28,000 of them in a Super League - although there won't be a Middlesex v Surrey. I might well get with the programme if you or anyone can give a solid reason for why more money will be generated?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:55:36 GMT
Hhs, Thank you for tactfully pointing out my error concerning a mix up with the 50 over and T20 Ashes two years ago. Oops! I shall change this immediately. As you say this international match is superb value and one could see up to 5,000 people attending. Women's cricket is on the march and quickly gaining popularity. Meanwhile, the T20 QF tomorrow is practically a sell-out. Just a handful of general admission tickets available. This match would have sold out by now if it wasn't for an earlier 'iffy' forecast. 'BBC Weather' changes its tune more times than a chameleon on heat. www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2654710?day=1Was thinking of going to this but frankly after watching a few overs on Sky of the women's test at canterbury I shan't bother. Very disappointed with the quality and it is very dull to watch. England scored at less than two runs per over throughout their first innings and aussies only slightly better,mostly because the shot making isn't strong enough to reach the (very short) boundaries. My experience of womens cricket in the 1980s suggested the standard was weak - hh, did you play in the tribune v new statesman game in 1986 when I had Lab deputy leadership candidate Angela Eagle and her twin sister Maria in the side? They claimed that they had both represented lancashire at county level so I batted them both in the middle order. One made four and the other a duck and both would have struggled in a team of u-13 schoolboys. From what I've seen the standard has clearly improved in the 30 years that have passed since then, but not by anything like as much as I hoped it had. Apologies if this is non pc. But its a true story. And despite Angela's duck Im still going to vote for her when the ballot papers go out next week!!! |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 13, 2015 19:10:47 GMT
Woman hater. True though, weak as piss water.
Who cares anyway, why don't you try coming up with what nobody else can; a little substance to back up the financial boom claims arcing over the franchise idea like a gold rainbow? Show me the money? Hey I've got an idea, why don't we fill every seat at every cricket ground on every cricket day, that will make all counties a fortune? No comeback questions please.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 19:43:15 GMT
Woman hater. True though, weak as piss water. Who cares anyway, why don't you try coming up with what nobody else can; a little substance to back up the financial boom claims arcing over the franchise idea like a gold rainbow? Show me the money? Hey I've got an idea, why don't we fill every seat at every cricket ground on every cricket day, that will make all counties a fortune? No comeback questions please. [br Oh, there is no question that the money is there from sky and the even more lucrative global tv rights. Non tmg counties are being offered 2 million per season by the ecb for their acquiescence and Derby, leics, northants are already biting off their hand. Kent will too, despite their CEO making sniffy noises about it; at end of day beggars can't be choosers. It will be interesting to see what Sussex does. My bet is that there is no way Jim May will say no to that kind of bribe and filby will walk as a result. |
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Post by fraudster on Aug 13, 2015 20:08:51 GMT
So the money ain't there from SKY and global TV rights if we stick with 18 counties? Those organisations are pushing us to go less teams and City based? Well, if so, and if the current set-up is failing financially, maybe they should. My least favourite form anyway. I'd watch some but I wouldn't support. I wouldn't care less if the Southampton Sausage Munchers had a couple of Sussex players playing when it comes to support. I would care if a couple of Sussex players had to miss a game or two for their county in the two true formats, 4 day and 50 overs, though.
Bristol Butt Slappers - Glos, Somerset, Glam
Southampton Sausage Munchers - Hants, Sussex, Kent
London Multiculturals - Surrey, Middlesex, Essex
Nottingham Gun Crime - Notts, Leics, Northants
Birmingham Story Tellers - Warks, Derbs, Worcs
Leeds Know it Alls - Yorks, Lancs, Durham
Knock yourself out.
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Post by invicta1977 on Aug 13, 2015 20:19:27 GMT
Hhs, Thank you for tactfully pointing out my error concerning a mix up with the 50 over and T20 Ashes two years ago. Oops! I shall change this immediately. As you say this international match is superb value and one could see up to 5,000 people attending. Women's cricket is on the march and quickly gaining popularity. Meanwhile, the T20 QF tomorrow is practically a sell-out. Just a handful of general admission tickets available. This match would have sold out by now if it wasn't for an earlier 'iffy' forecast. 'BBC Weather' changes its tune more times than a chameleon on heat. www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2654710?day=1Was thinking of going to this but frankly after watching a few overs on Sky of the women's test at canterbury I shan't bother. Very disappointed with the quality and it is very dull to watch. England scored at less than two runs per over throughout their first innings and aussies only slightly better,mostly because the shot making isn't strong enough to reach the (very short) boundaries. I've been in a similar quandary; I can get into this match for nowt with my membership and feel I should support the venture, but it has looked so lame. I don't necessarily mind slow run rates per se - if the bowling is particularly difficult or the match situation demands safety at all costs. A gritty rearguard eschewing all strokeplay can be as captivating as a rapid run chase. But, on the second day of a four day game, to be patting half volley after floaty half volley limply back to the bowler simply rendered the contest redundant. It reminded me of Gavaskar against England in the inaugural World Cup. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 18, 2015 10:59:41 GMT
The T20 Mascot Race is Upon Us and Sid Rules...Okay!
_______________________________________________________________________ It’s just 10 days before the T20 finals Day at Edgbaston and an event which every county supporter up and down the country look forward to - no, not the cricket silly but the Mascot race. This annual occasion is a celebration of everything frivolous, crazy and wacky - an ideal accompaniment for the sporting eccentricities of cricket. Last year Somerset’s Stumpy won the race. Sexy Sid Sussex’s own mascot, Sid the Shark, is no slouch. Recently, he came second in 2012 and then won the race the following year beating hot favourite Lanky the Giraffe. Although, his murky past holds various misdemeanours including a disqualification alongside other non- sporting acts! Sid Winning in 2013
www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/8875343/mascot-derby-2013The name of the man or woman behind the Sid costume is more hush-hush than Top Gear’s “The Stig”. Is there a new Sid every year or given the Sussex ‘loyal family ethos’ are we watching the same person from 10 years ago? The primary concern is how serious is Sid about winning the race this year? Has he been training? There are no videos on the Sussex CCC Website showing him at the gym as in 2012. No-one has seen him running along the Hove promenade. Although, does he have the hours? Sid is now such an integral and successful part of the club’s marketing strategy he spends more and more time at community events and local cricket matches wowing the kids with his sunny and humorous disposition. A speciality is crouching down along the South West Stand perimeter so only a Jaws-like fin can be seen by the crowd above. Super Sid Sid is now as much of a star at Sussex CCC as any of their leading players. The club shop sells a plush doll at £8 but beware! There are a number of imposters around the country including one from the Midlands and another from the West Country who pose as either an anti-shark loan vendor mascot or an anti-pay-day loan company one. As the phrase goes, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” Disney’s Shark Tale
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw5nulmwFDUSid’s success was helped by the Disney 'Dreamworks' release of the film ‘Shark Tale’ in 2004. He is the lovable Lenny and a primary reason why he’s become such a marketing hit for the club. A Serious Fact The Sid costume was made by London Company ‘Rainbow Productions’ who produce the majority of the county club mascots as well as many
thousands of others during its 30 year history. It was 'Rainbow' who created the Mandeville and Wenlock costumes for the 2012 Olympics. 'Le Shuffle' Sid Meanwhile, Bumble is preparing for his most important annual commentary while the people behind the masks - some of whom are drawn in a club lottery only a month before to take on the challenging task - are feeling the pressure. The problem being it can be so damn hot within the costume. As one said, “It’s like running around in a sauna!” The race can also be dangerous. Yorkshire’s Will Saville who was behind the ‘Max the Mynah’ mascot in 2012, broke his finger after tripping at the first ball-pit obstacle and spent the rest of the race in tremendous pain whilst almost suffocating from the heat. After crossing the line Will was immediately rushed to hospital. For a majority of mascot racers, they can’t wait to pass on the baton to the next hapless chaser the following year.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 20, 2015 10:29:07 GMT
A Cricket Memorabilia Collector's Delight
_____________________________________________________ The booklet celebrating Ollie Robinson and Matt Hobden’s 10th wicket record Sussex partnership against Durham in April is now on sale and is a fantastic purchase for cricket memorabilia collectors.  Created by museum volunteers Phil Barnes and Norman Epps, the tome is limited to just 50 copies and at £5, this could easily become a highly prized collectible item in a few years time. Original Ollie and Matt autographs come with each 8 page booklet along with various colour photographs and stats as well as information about the previous Sussex record held by GR Cox and HR Butt set in 1908. This is the second in an occasional series following the Luke Wright and Ben Brown record 6th wicket partnership booklet - also against Durham - published last year.  Copies can be purchased directly from Phil or Norman. All proceeds go to the museum. You may need to get a wriggle on as only 15 copies are left for sale. ______________________________________ Tel: 01273 827199 ext. 260
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