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Post by flashblade on Mar 5, 2020 14:11:24 GMT
All I am suggesting is that, as of now, far more people die from influenza than the coronavirus, but as I stated, "as the virus is not sufficiently understood, yet, caution is best..." As to "tell the Chinese and Italians that Project Fear is the true virus!", I have the greatest sympathy for all those people, families and loved ones who have died from the coronavirus, but shouldn't there be as much sympathy for those many many more people who have died from influenza? Just as with flu, the vast majority of those who die from the coronavirus are aged over 65. Read this article: www.livescience.com/is-coronavirus-deadly.htmlMost people who catch the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 recover at home, and some need hospitalization to fight the virus....
there is a widespread consensus that COVID-19 is most dangerous for elderly patients and those with pre-existing health burdens.
In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure)
to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years
had a fatality rate of 8%. In Italy, where the death toll from the virus stood at 52 as of March 4, the fatalities were all in people
over age 60.
So, once more, similar to the common flu. To repeat, again, not enough is known about this new 'flu virus' so to err on caution is
important at this early stage.Glad you agree. Perhaps you could withdraw the comment about Project Fear being the virus? |
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Post by A.S. on Mar 5, 2020 17:33:48 GMT
Some of us should look on the bright side of this. As a 71 year old semi asthmatic I am on the doomed list, and with a bit of luck will succumb before the start of the Hundred competition.
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Post by Bazpan on Mar 6, 2020 0:59:33 GMT
Some of us should look on the bright side of this. As a 71 year old semi asthmatic I am on the doomed list, and with a bit of luck will succumb before the start of the Hundred competition. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 6, 2020 8:13:54 GMT
I am glad to see Kevin Pietersen is retweeting rational non-hysterical common sense.
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Post by gmdf on Mar 6, 2020 8:25:32 GMT
I am glad to see Kevin Pietersen is retweeting rational non-hysterical common sense. Well, I'm no doctor or medical expert, but then neither is KP and, perhaps more to the point, neither apparently is Mr Sourav Shah. So I'm not sure we should take his statistics other than with a pinch of salt and rather listen to the real experts - at WHO and our UK Chief Medical Officer etc. Their advice is pretty clear*, and needs to be followed by all of us (especially to protect those in the most 'at risk' groups in our society). Comparing Covid-19 with previous illnesses is not helpful, I feel. *Wash your hands for 20+ seconds with soap and hot water regularly (esp. when returning from a visit to a crowded place etc), don't touch your face with your hands, if possible change your clothes when returning home etc. |
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Post by burgesshill on Mar 6, 2020 8:49:54 GMT
I am glad to see Kevin Pietersen is retweeting rational non-hysterical common sense. Not much comfort if you turn out to be one of the 2% The big problem here is the incubation period. You could have it and not even know and pass it on to others. Or you might have mild symptoms and think it is an 'ordinary' cold and pass it on. Experts who know more than you and I are rightly concerned as 50% of the population might catch this (they are talking 20% likely to be off work at the same time) so, 50% of the population is just over 30 million, and 2% of that is 600,000 people. Quite a lot. Hopefully neither you nor someone you care about will be one of the 600,000 |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 6, 2020 10:06:03 GMT
gmdf, Wash your hands for 20+ seconds with soap and hot water regularly (esp. when returning from a visit to a crowded place etc), don't touch your face with your hands, if possible change your clothes when returning home etc.
Sensible advice. I would also add, you are at most risk when travelling on public transport, so washing your hands is vital after a journey on a bus or train. Meanwhile, clean your mobile phone after returning from outside as medical experts have discovered this is another way of passing on the virus and wear a proper face mask (not the cheap surgical ones) when in an area where there are known cases of coronavirus. To err on the side of caution is basic common sense. When you do some research, it is surprising what you discover. For example, did you know that during the peak of the epidemic in its epicentre in Wuhan, China, zero children contracted the virus. Yes, zero. Doctors are baffled by this and some suggest children today are born with an immunity. If true, quite extraordinary. Yet, this hasn't stopped Italy from closing all their schools and making parents worried sick. Interestingly, while the virus is another strain of influenza where symptoms “can” be more severe than the common cold/flu, most importantly, it doesn’t spread as efficiently. Already cases are dwindling in China where the peak of contagion occurred over a month ago. Do you read about that in the mainstream media? Of course not. And why, you need to turn to specialist publications to learn the truth. www.livescience.com/coronavirus-updates.htmlwww.statnews.com/2020/03/03/who-is-getting-sick-and-how-sick-a-breakdown-of-coronavirus-risk-by-demographic-factors/www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.htmledit:Hopefully, this will ease some of the present hysteria. |
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Post by flashblade on Mar 6, 2020 14:18:51 GMT
I am glad to see Kevin Pietersen is retweeting rational non-hysterical common sense. WC, please stop sharing these ignorant posts. Unless the authors are virology experts and/or statistically aware, they should be derided and shunned. The stats for Covid-19 won't be established until the virus has passed through. What is the point of quoting the mortality rate and number of deaths when this virus has hardly got out of 1st gear? And then to compare these numbers with those for completed epidemics is childishly naive. One of the problems with Covid-19 is that it could reach a very high peak in a few months, which would disable so many people at the same time that the social and economic disruption would be huge. It wouldn't be so bad if the victims were spread over a period of many months, but that would be a best case scenario. Look how the virus spread in Wuhan when a laissez faire attitude was initially adopted. I think we should follow the measured advice of the WHO and our domestic medical experts. We should discourage the polarising extreme views that social media encourages (look how this happened with Brexit) - we should neither panic nor adopt the misuse of statistics to play down the problem. Those who misuse statistics do so either deliberately or out of ignorance. Unfortunately, moderation seems to be of no interest to journalists and social media followers! |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 6, 2020 14:49:48 GMT
Fb, As you appear to dismiss statistics as 'spurious' then listen to Brett Giroir. He is one of the most respected health officials in America. Read his wiki below. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_GiroirMeanwhile, the Cricketer Magazine reports that England will abandon handshakes on the Sri Lankan tour due to the coronavirus outbreak. Following medical advice, Cpt Joe Root has stated that England's players will forgo handshakes in favour of fist bumps in an attempt to reduce the chance of spreading germs and bacteria. Each player has been given an "immunity pack". If today was April 1st, I would consider questioning this story. The great news is the tour is going ahead. www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/england_will_abandon_handshakes_on_sri_lanka_tour_due_to_coronavirus_outbreak.html |
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Post by gmdf on Mar 6, 2020 15:23:02 GMT
Fb, As you appear to dismiss statistics as 'spurious' then listen to Brett Giroir. He is one of the most respected health officials in America. Read his wiki below. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_GiroirMeanwhile, the Cricketer Magazine reports that England will abandon handshakes on the Sri Lankan tour due to the coronavirus outbreak. Following medical advice, Cpt Joe Root has stated that England's players will forgo handshakes in favour of fist bumps in an attempt to reduce the chance of spreading germs and bacteria. Each player has been given an "immunity pack". If today was April 1st, I would consider questioning this story. The great news is the tour is going ahead. www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/england_will_abandon_handshakes_on_sri_lanka_tour_due_to_coronavirus_outbreak.htmlUnfortunately this chap is just repeating what his boss - Trump - said yesterday. And as normal with the child Trump, his view was based on no science or knowledge, just his own thoughts. And Mr Giroir knows if he educates his boss, he'll be out on his ear. So, personally, I'll go along with the WHO's estimate of 3.4% until we know better (and that may only be after the outbreak is over). I certainly won't trust anything coming, directly or indirectly from Trump. |
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Post by flashblade on Mar 6, 2020 15:26:25 GMT
Fb, As you appear to dismiss statistics as 'spurious' then listen to Brett Giroir. He is one of the most respected health officials in America. Read his wiki below. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_GiroirMeanwhile, the Cricketer Magazine reports that England will abandon handshakes on the Sri Lankan tour due to the coronavirus outbreak. Following medical advice, Cpt Joe Root has stated that England's players will forgo handshakes in favour of fist bumps in an attempt to reduce the chance of spreading germs and bacteria. Each player has been given an "immunity pack". If today was April 1st, I would consider questioning this story. The great news is the tour is going ahead. www.thecricketer.com/Topics/news/england_will_abandon_handshakes_on_sri_lanka_tour_due_to_coronavirus_outbreak.htmlYou've misunderstood; I don't dismiss statistics themselves as spurious - I complain about the spurious use of statistics. Thanks for the link to Brett Giroir; Where do I listen to his views on the coronavirus? EDIT: Sorry, I've just scrolled upthread and found the clip of Giroir speaking. Is he Trump's spokesman? He seems to be supporting Trump's denial approach, and contradicting the WHO. Don't forget that the US is way behind with its virus tests. |
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Post by flashblade on Mar 6, 2020 16:53:58 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 6, 2020 17:02:57 GMT
Oh dear, if it's not the spurious use of statistics, it's now dismissing what Brett Groir says simply because he works for the Trump
administration. So, it isn't just about the virus, but the politics too.
No wonder there is so much confusion out there. Let's get back to the sanity of cricket.
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Post by flashblade on Mar 6, 2020 17:04:16 GMT
Oh dear, if it's not the spurious use of statistics, it's now dismissing what Brett Groir says simply because he works for the Trump administration. So, tt isn't just about the virus, but the politics too.
No wonder there is so much confusion out there. Let's get back to the sanity of cricket. Absolutely spot on! |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 7, 2020 10:50:19 GMT
Perhaps, judging from this common sense latest post from KP, we should all adopt the namaste approach for now. His post suggests that the new England cricket team greeting, the fist bump, which is part of their Sri Lankan "immunity pack" still has a 10% chance of passing on the virus. It is a customary Indian greeting found primarily on the Indian subcontinent and Southeast Asia. It is used both for greeting and leave-taking. Namaste is usually spoken with a slight bow and hands pressed together, palms touching and fingers pointing upwards, thumbs close to the chest. This gesture is called Añjali Mudrā; the standing posture incorporating it is Pranamasana. In Hinduism, it means "I bow to the divine in you". It is unclear where Pietersen gains this information from, but around the world, shaking hands and kissing as a greeting is increasingly becoming "persona non-grata." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NamasteHere is further information suggesting other means of welcome without shaking hands. www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/04/with-covid-19-coronavirus-here-are-15-ways-to-avoid-shaking-hands/www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/handshake-coronavirus-greeting-habits-200303053743520.html |
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