sixandout
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Post by sixandout on Jul 29, 2023 20:43:04 GMT
Bumble, bit of a bumbling old twit. Whenever he writes up his snippets about cricket, and for all I know in his commentary too, he constantly makes reference to popular music of 60s/70s/80s. Pretty low brow boring stuff. You would have thought by his age he would have grown out of this stuff and his musical tastes might have evolved to something more sophisticated. Nonsense. My musical tastes have mostly kept up with modern bands. What’s wrong with that? Actually, my music tastes have broadened. I suppose it depends what you mean by ‘sophisticated’, though.
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Post by tiptoes on Aug 1, 2023 5:22:43 GMT
Best ever 21st century England XI Cook Strauss Vaughan Pietersen Root Stokes (if he can bowl) Prior Flintoff Swann Broad Anderson
Spoilt for choice over captaincy
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Post by tiptoes on Aug 3, 2023 9:40:48 GMT
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 3, 2023 10:37:26 GMT
Seems fair enough to me, probably fairly straight forward conversation had. Look Chris probably shouldn't be saying that sort of stuff these days so just be careful in future. Just because you disagree with it doesnt make it wrong.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 3, 2023 19:06:32 GMT
The media rules have changed. Freedom of speech has changed. Speaking your mind is not acceptable if it goes against the present Woke dictum. If Chris Hughes wants to keep and even develop his media career, you either stick to the Woke rules or find another job.
His comment ‘little Barbie’ is bloody stupid. Obviously, he opens his mouth first before then engaging his brain. Watching and listening to him on the 100 commentary, he has neither the gravitas, knowledge or sufficient brains to last more than a season. No wonder His compadres like Michael Vaughan take the mickey.
If you take on the woke regime, you need above all intelligence and brain power like Jordan Peterson. Otherwise, you will be tossed to the demonic wolves. Hughes is in the wrong place at the wrong time.
BBC for goodness sake try harder. Choosing a Love Island star is not only demeaning the 100 competition, but making it look very foolish. Say goodbye to Hughes.
NEXT!
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Post by tiptoes on Aug 3, 2023 21:29:16 GMT
The media rules have changed. Freedom of speech has changed. Speaking your mind is not acceptable if it goes against the present Woke dictum. If Chris Hughes wants to keep and even develop his media career, you either stick to the Woke rules or find another job. His comment ‘little Barbie’ is bloody stupid. Obviously, he opens his mouth first before then engaging his brain. Watching and listening to him on the 100 commentary, he has neither the gravitas, knowledge or sufficient brains to last more than a season. No wonder His compadres like Michael Vaughan take the mickey. If you take on the woke regime, you need above all intelligence and brain power like Jordan Peterson. Otherwise, you will be tossed to the demonic wolves. Hughes is in the wrong place at the wrong time. BBC for goodness sake try harder. Choosing a Love Island star is not only demeaning the 100 competition, but making it look very foolish. Say goodbye to Hughes. NEXT! Hughes has lasted more than a season. The whole point about the Hundred is that it is dumbed down to appeal to kids and those with a short attention span. Chris is the ideal fit for this format, rather than a cerebral Mike Brearley type, someone who can connect to a Sun reading lower brow audience. He's a former club cricketer who is on the same wavelength as the spectators but is naturally knowledgeable and enthusiastic rather than an unknown who fits the profile but has to be trained up on the rules. If I had heard that inoffensive Barbie comment about the film to which the the female player had alluded, like 95% of the viewing public, I wouldnt have batted an eyelid thinking it wasn't stereotypically sexist but just a jokey remark meant in the spirit of banter but maybe a little close to the knuckle. Not even worth a little reprimand but just a warning not to sail too close to the wind. Talk about a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 5, 2023 14:53:42 GMT
The 100 - Do or Die! ___________________________I have supported the 100 competition from the moment of inception. I attended the meeting at the Hove County Ground when Sanjay Patel, the then Managing Director of The Hundred, explained to Sussex supporters back in October 2016, of the ECBs “Exciting Plans” to create a new tournament to keep cricket alive "by attracting young people and women to the sport.” The first year was indeed exciting. Local Team Southern Brave won the inaugural men's tournament. Along came 2022 and some of its razzle-dazzle had faded and while it is very early days, this season is looking even more dodgy. Yet, the stats show the competition has attracted more than 1 million people over the first two years including more families, women and children compared to other cricket competitions with 22% of tickets going to children last year and 28% of female ticket buyers, with more than 14 million tuning in to watch on TV, thanks greatly to FREE viewing on the BBC. On top of this, Patel stated back in May, after saying he was stepping down from his 100 role, the competition had generated over £100m of revenue in its first two years and looks set for a successful third year as well, with 275,000 tickets already sold. It has won a number of awards including Event of the Year in the 2022 Sport Industry Awards as well as claiming the Fan Engagement Award at this year’s ceremony. Well, after the first week, the all-important third season is badly suffering. Reasons include the present appalling summer weather; a cricketing hangover after the brilliant Ashes Series; and the lack of well-known players involved. It is rather like a relatively new, up-and-coming rock band, going on stage after their support just happened to be Coldplay. The mainstream media are showing little or no interest. There is nothing in today’s Daily Mail sports pages, for example. This is not a good sign. In fact, the only widespread news in the first week was about former Love Island star, Chris Hughes, who used the term ‘Little Barbie’ during a post-match interview with Southern Brave woman cricketer, Maitlan Brown. Not only did this give a foolish look to the 100, but clearly showed the naivety of the BBC for appointing such a shallow and light-weight commentator. Right now, the ECB must be concerned after the previous bravado from Patel. Cricket is moving on. America is coming to the party. There is a lot of money being pumped in to T20 Franchises around the world. More, much more, than in the UK. Only a few England stars are involved like Chris Woakes, Mark Wood, Joe Root and Jonny Bairstow, but they are absent due to Ashes fatigue. Will they even offer a presence, at all? Worse still, where are the big overseas stars in the 100? They too are AWOL. Rashid Khan, the short-game trooper, who plays in umpteen different global competitions, even he is not involved this season. Whose a Little Barbie, Then?It comes down to money, of course. At present, salaries for male and female 100 competitors are frozen at 2022 levels, where men are paid between £30,000 and £125,000 and women from £7,500 to £31,250. This is not enough for the top stars. Rashid Khan can sell his wares somewhere else in the world for generally more. So why would the UK public want to watch C and D list county cricketers in a competition still finding its feet? Three weeks remain of the 2023 tournament (ends on August 27th). The long-range weather forecast remains dismal; the mainstream media are still writing about the Ashes and show little interest in the 100. If I was a bigwig from the ECB, I would be feeling rather uncomfortable, right now.
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sixandout
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Post by sixandout on Aug 5, 2023 19:54:38 GMT
This reminds me, Wicked Cricket, of my business life on a much bigger scale. I run a relatively small software business which was suddenly infiltrated by bigger outsiders 10-15 years ago. Frankly, I thought their products were not particularly good. However, I had a choice. Fight them, sell out to one of them or find a niche. I wanted to fight them but I (just about) realised, I might lose my home and lifestyle. I chose a niche. Thankfully. I’m not trying to say how clever I was; it was a tough and slightly lucky choice I made. However, it was a good one and my family didn’t suffer at all.
The Hundred is in a similar position except if it gets it wrong the whole of English cricket suffers, its ‘family’, if I can use the analogy. It can find the money to compete and risk ‘losing its house and lifestyle’, sell out to the IPL or pursue its niche. The problem is its niche is not a niche. The Hundred is T20 in disguise. In 5 minutes, I could find another five variants; all no good. How about 99 balls in 11 overs off 9 balls with 11th over counting as double and sixes becoming tens for the last five overs. Whoopee. See, it’s easy. Maybe, fielders having to hop on one leg in the first over of the power play. Ok, too silly. However, we’ve got three formats (short, medium and long), conjuring a fourth is difficult.
The Hundred has to decide to stick or twist. And, yes, Mr Stokes making longer forms trendier has created a perhaps unexpected competitor which always upsets any business. I hope the Hundred doesn’t ruin the English cricket family. I’m interested to see some evidence that new followers of The Hundred are tomorrow’s hardcore ready-to-stay punters.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 7, 2023 18:13:13 GMT
Cut their losses and bin it.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 12, 2023 16:23:12 GMT
Apologies for going on about the 100, but there are two alternative realities occurring with its media coverage. Naturally, the BBC website is all over the competition like a rash, given they have a major interest due to their TV coverage. Here is today's example. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricketElsewhere, the tumbleweed is being blown all over the place. Here is today's coverage from the Daily Mail which has "the biggest online readership in the Western world." www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/index.htmlIts cricket section leads with a paedo story about a former cricket coach, while the 100 gains just one story amidst the continuing Ashes commentary... this about the Welsh Fire, where even this has an Ashes link. Extraordinary! I can't wait to see the ECB stats when the tournament ends on August 27th. Meanwhile, the Ashes continues to be "Mr Cricket" in the UK and always will be. A great shame this can't be turned into some sort of ongoing glorified competition that lasts an entire summer.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 15, 2023 14:16:49 GMT
What a Depressing Time to be a Sussex Supporter _____________________________________________________Hope is a wonderful thing. Sussex supporters have been hoping, no praying for a miracle, since the passing of the heady days of the naughties when coach Mark Robinson led the club to three Championship trophies; two Pro40 National Leagues; one Friends Provident trophy; one T20 trophy; and immediately returning to Division 1 after winning Division 2 due to “a minor blip.” It seems like a dream. You have to pinch yourself to believe this all actually happened given the present dire state of the club. What the hell has happened? Is this a nightmare or what? Agreed, there was an improvement in the first year of Jason Gillespie’s tenure, where the club was close to being promoted to Division 1 and made the T20 final only to lose, but that is it. That was all pre-lockdown. Since post-lockdown, it has been one heartache after another. Yes, we reached the semi-final of the 50 over comp last year much to the surprise of everyone, thanks mainly to Pujara, but instead of moving onwards this season, the club is actually backtracking. Not so much two steps forward and one back, but one step forward and two back. A disastrous T20 tournament: A disastrous 50 over competition: And now we are faced with the final long-shot hope of Division 2 promotion, which let’s be honest, is highly unlikely if we can’t win games, where draws will not be enough during the home straight. And just to add salt to supporters’ wounds, Paul Farbrace, our coach of less than a season, has put his name forward to take over from Paul Downton at Kent as the Club’s Director of Cricket. What has happened to loyalty? Is this a sign that after being at Hove for less than a season, he can see all the problems and decided they can’t be resolved? In a typical George Dobell “semi-exclusive” for the Cricketer Magazine, he writes, “Others believed to be in the running include former players David Fulton and Min Patel. Former England selector Ed Smith and Tim Groenwald are understood to have no interest in the role at this time, but were invited to apply.” So, where’s the competition? At this rate, Farbrace has every chance of gaining the position. For Dobell continues, "If Farbrace were to take the job, it would be his third county position in little more than a year. He announced his departure from Warwickshire last August citing a desire to live nearer his family home in Kent…” And there we have it, for it becomes pretty obvious that being at Kent is Farbrace’s dream job and he will do everything possible to attain it. That joining Sussex is merely a stepping stone towards his ultimate goal. Kent is where he started his career as a coach and player. Kent is where he wishes to return. And to repeat, that is where his family home resides. Surely, Rob Andrew must have realised this before appointing him the new Sussex Coach? In his haste to wash over the debacle of choosing Salisbury and Kirtley as joint coaches, did this possibility not enter his head? It has been known for some time that Downton would be stepping down. Dobell tactfully ends his piece. “It is currently unclear if Farbrace would accept the Kent role if offered it. For one thing, there would appear to be little scope for the coaching element to the job he appears to most enjoy (Matt Walker is the head coach) and for another he appears settled at Sussex.” Yet, like for many people, family always comes first and compromise can be a major part of that equation. Even Chairman, Jon Filby, the most loyal fan of Sussex you will ever find, tweeted what could be deemed a rather odd message to supporters after the Farbrace news was posted and we lost to Glamorgan on Sunday, therefore ending any outside chance of qualifying for the 50 over tournament. “The future for cricket in Sussex has never been brighter. Today, the top 12 under ten teams in the county battling it out at the country ground. Passion and talent in abundance and brilliant use of the ground.” So, now the youngsters we are looking for are ten years old or younger? 😉 Come on Jon, we know Sussex is staring down the barrel. The youngster revolution is not happening and may never happen and the Andrew experiment is turning to dust. Yet, I would be delighted to have egg thrown all over my face and be proven wrong. At least, we can still hold on to the hope of an outside chance of gaining promotion, however unlikely. Perhaps, Farbrace is waiting to see how this one turns out, first.
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 15, 2023 14:31:16 GMT
What a Depressing Time to be a Sussex Supporter _____________________________________________________Hope is a wonderful thing. Sussex supporters have been hoping, no praying for a miracle, since the passing of the heady days of the naughties when coach Mark Robinson led the club to three Championship trophies; two Pro40 National Leagues; one Friends Provident trophy; one T20 trophy; and immediately returning to Division 1 after winning Division 2 due to “a minor blip.” It seems like a dream. You have to pinch yourself to believe this all actually happened given the present dire state of the club. What the hell has happened? Is this a nightmare or what? Agreed, there was an improvement in the first year of Jason Gillespie’s tenure, where the club was close to being promoted to Division 1 and made the T20 final only to lose, but that is it. That was all pre-lockdown. Since post-lockdown, it has been one heartache after another. Yes, we reached the semi-final of the 50 over comp last year much to the surprise of everyone, thanks mainly to Pujara, but instead of moving onwards this season, the club is actually backtracking. Not so much two steps forward and one back, but one step forward and two back. A disastrous T20 tournament: A disastrous 50 over competition: And now we are faced with the last long-shot hope of Division 2 promotion, which let’s be honest, is highly unlikely if we can’t win games, where draws will not be enough during the home straight. And just to add salt to supporters’ wounds, Paul Farbrace, our coach of less than a season, has put his name forward to take over from Paul Downton at Kent as the Club’s Director of Cricket. What has happened to loyalty? Is this a sign that after being at Hove for less than a season, he can see all the problems and decided they can’t be resolved? In a typical George Dobell “semi-exclusive” for the Cricketer Magazine, he writes, “Others believed to be in the running include former players David Fulton and Min Patel. Former England selector Ed Smith and Tim Groenwald are understood to have no interest in the role at this time, but were invited to apply.” So, where’s the competition? At this rate, Farbrace has every chance of gaining the position. For Dobell continues, "If Farbrace were to take the job, it would be his third county position in little more than a year. He announced his departure from Warwickshire last August citing a desire to live nearer his family home in Kent…” And there we have it, for it becomes becomes pretty obvious that being at Kent is Farbrace’s dream job and he will do everything possible to attain it. The club is where he started his career as a coach and player and to repeat that is where his family home resides. Surely, Rob Andrew must have realised this? In his haste to wash over the debacle of appointing Salisbury and Kirtley as joint coaches, did this possibility not enter his head? It has been known for some time that Downton would be stepping down. Dobell tactfully ends the piece. “It is currently unclear if Farbrace would accept the Kent role if offered it. For one thing, there would appear to be little scope for the coaching element to the job he appears to most enjoy (Matt Walker is the head coach) and for another he appears settled at Sussex.” Yet, like for many people, family always comes first and compromise can be a major part of that equation. Even Chairman, Job Filby, the most loyal fan of Sussex you will ever find, tweeted what could be deemed a rather desperate message to supporters after the Farbrace news was posted and we lost to Glamorgan on Sunday, therefore ending any outside chance of qualifying for the 50 over tournament, “The future for cricket in Sussex has never been brighter. Today, the top 12 under ten teams in the county battling it out at the country ground. Passion and talent in abundance and brilliant use of the ground.” So, now the youngsters we are looking for are ten years old or younger? Come on Jon, we know Sussex is staring down the barrel. The youngster revolution is not happening and may never happen and the Andrew experiment is turning to dust. Yet, I would be delighted to have egg thrown all over my face and be proven wrong. At least, we can still hold on to the hope of an outside chance of gaining promotion, however unlikely. Perhaps, Farbrace is waiting to see how this one turns out, first. From my understanding, Farbrace wants to Coach and not be DOC so i dont see this happening at all but feel free to say i told you so if it does. Ali Orr might feel aggrieved not getting a mention for our cup run last year with 526 runs. I think with Ollie Rob being definitely available for 2 games in September and maybe a 3rd ECB permitting we have a genuine chance and with the overseas player announcement hopefully coming soon I think we can be optimistic about our chances of Div 1 cricket next season.
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Post by squarepoint on Aug 15, 2023 16:24:34 GMT
I’m glad you’re still able to retain your optimism Therea, even on a day when Ali Orr looks set to be out for the rest of the season.
The youth revolution has worked quite well with our batting. It hasn’t been a smooth progression but then it rarely is with young players and we should have a strong batting core for the rest of the decade. Unfortunately, bowling has been a different story and we seem to have hit a brick wall. I still believe some of our young bowlers could make the grade but I shudder to think what scores division one teams would rack up against us with the current lineup if we defied the odds and eked out a promotion.
I’m not sure what to think about Paul Farbrace. I’d prefer him to stay, for the sake of stability but I haven’t detected any improvements attributable to his appointment to date.
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 16, 2023 7:16:00 GMT
I’m glad you’re still able to retain your optimism Therea, even on a day when Ali Orr looks set to be out for the rest of the season. The youth revolution has worked quite well with our batting. It hasn’t been a smooth progression but then it rarely is with young players and we should have a strong batting core for the rest of the decade. Unfortunately, bowling has been a different story and we seem to have hit a brick wall. I still believe some of our young bowlers could make the grade but I shudder to think what scores division one teams would rack up against us with the current lineup if we defied the odds and eked out a promotion. I’m not sure what to think about Paul Farbrace. I’d prefer him to stay, for the sake of stability but I haven’t detected any improvements attributable to his appointment to date. I have no reason not to be optimistic in CC cricket, i know the white ball stuff has been a disaster but we are still unbeaten in red ball. Orr will be back for the Leicester game by all accounts.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 16, 2023 10:38:26 GMT
squarepoint,
"...we should have a strong batting core for the rest of the decade."
I don't understand.
Surely, unless Sussex greatly improve their overall county standing, why on earth would players like James Cole, Ollie Carter, Ali Orr (when fit) or Tom Haines, for example, stay at the club if a Division 1 club offers them a better salary, top class cricket and a chance to win a trophy, to assist them with improving their overall batting, perhaps, even leading to an England call-up (steady there!)
I know coverpoint has all the contract details, but if by 2025 or 2026 little has improved at Hove, the wolves will encircle, and their could be a major exodus of our best youngster batsmen, thereby, kiboshing the entire "Andrew experiment."
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