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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 7, 2023 10:51:48 GMT
Thank you. I have just added this to my previous post. Various media articles state, "Sussex CCC have announced that major sponsor Farnrise Construction have agreed to extend their sponsorship for another 12 months, until at least the end of the 2013 season." Farnrise was close to bankruptcy by early 2013, so how could they have paid Sussex the sponsorship money for that season? Meanwhile, its credit limit had been removed in 2012. To remind us what Louisa Morgan, operations manager at debt recovery agency, Top Service, said: “In May 2013 we began alerting our members to the potential risks of dealing with Farnrise Construction due to the increased volume of negative reports. With over 165 adverse trading experiences being reported to us within the past 12 months this led to us last year, removing their credit limit to safeguard our members.” It remains a mystery.
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Post by northfan on Nov 7, 2023 12:50:42 GMT
Thank you. I have just added this to my previous post. Various media articles state, "Sussex CCC have announced that major sponsor Farnrise Construction have agreed to extend their sponsorship for another 12 months, until at least the end of the 2013 season." Farnrise was close to bankruptcy by early 2013, so how could they have paid Sussex the sponsorship money for that season? Meanwhile, its credit limit had been removed in 2012. To remind us what Louisa Morgan, operations manager at debt recovery agency, Top Service, said: “In May 2013 we began alerting our members to the potential risks of dealing with Farnrise Construction due to the increased volume of negative reports. With over 165 adverse trading experiences being reported to us within the past 12 months this led to us last year, removing their credit limit to safeguard our members.” It remains a mystery. When it says its credit limit had been removed, all that means is any company going to Top Service for a credit reference on Farnrise would have been advised of the zero credit rating. A company could still choose to deal with Farnrise, should they so wish. Existing suppliers would have to decide whether they thought it was worthwhile continuing to trade with Farnrise in order to attempt to recover any outstanding monies, in many instances substantial, or whether they would be throwing good money after bad. A quite normal scenario when a company gets into difficulties. Farnrise changed their accounting year end from 31 March 2013 to 30 September 2013, although this wasn’t filed until 12 December 2013, not quite 3 weeks before their accounts would have been required to have been filed with the original year end. No doubt this was to attempt to delay the publication of the parlous state of the company. The appointment of an administrator did not happen until 11th April 2014.
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Post by therealab1 on Nov 7, 2023 13:14:26 GMT
Great knowledge, out of curiousity would agreeing a sponsorship consider us a creditor? If no then maybe that is the reason we are not showing on the administrators report?
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Post by northfan on Nov 7, 2023 14:42:33 GMT
Great knowledge, out of curiousity would agreeing a sponsorship consider us a creditor? If no then maybe that is the reason we are not showing on the administrators report? As Sussex had to write off circa £85K, they had obviously raised invoices to that amount. Those invoices should have been reflected in Farnrise’s creditors, assuming the debt related to Farnrise. Maybe there was an agreement between Sussex and Farnrise that the debt wasn’t going to be paid, in which case Farnrise could have written it back through their books, if in fact it had gone through their books in the first instance.
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Post by northfan on Nov 7, 2023 15:22:21 GMT
northfan, Well, I am stupefied. While, the debt collector managed to recover around £400,000 and given there must have been well over 100 creditors, Sussex must have pulled off a miracle. I have no idea what the sponsorship deal with Farnrise would have been. Surely, a minimum of £250,000 a year? Who knows? Perhaps, Farnrise was written off after 2012 and, in effect, gained free sponsorship for 2013, where the £87,000 only covered losses from 2012? In these accounts, is there any mention of specific sponsorship money gained from Farnrise for 2012 and 2013 or, for that matter, from anyone else? Various media articles state, "Sussex CCC have announced that major sponsor Farnrise Construction have agreed to extend their sponsorship for another 12 months, until at least the end of the 2013 season." Farnrise was close to bankruptcy by early 2013, so how could they have paid Sussex the sponsorship money for that season? BTW, how did you find these past financial accounts? My Google search was in vain. O The total monies recovered were approx £2.7 million, of which £1.2 million was repaid to the bank, the administrators fees and costs were close to 0.5 million, then there were various preferential creditors and those holding a floating charge, which amounted to £170K. Unsecured creditors received a total of £176K. There were almost 1000 creditors.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 10, 2023 15:31:47 GMT
Amidst all the supporter gloom of top players leaving Sussex CCC over recent years, one has done particularly well at his new club.
Luke Wells was such a promising talent, but whether it was the ghosts of his father and uncle, he never showed it consistently at Hove. So, when his contract wasn’t renewed for the 2020 season, it was not that much of a surprise, although some supporters were incensed by the way he was treated by Sussex CCC in his final year at Hove.
Well, the good news is, after Peter Moores believed in Luke's talent and brought him to Lancashire in 2020, where two years later, he was given his county cap, Luke has shone, both in red and white ball cricket. Whether it was down to the coaching, a different vista away from his family ghosts, who knows, but well done for achieving your potential and enjoying some excellent cricket.
Luke even stars in the 100 tournament playing for Welsh Fire. On his debut, he scored 57 in a rain shortened game and was awarded man of the match. Who would have thought it when at Sussex.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Nov 12, 2023 11:17:43 GMT
He was shockingly treated, more great work by the powers that be. Totally freezing him out in 2020 whilst we played a load of kids, just baffling.
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Post by therealab1 on Nov 12, 2023 16:57:14 GMT
He was shockingly treated, more great work by the powers that be. Totally freezing him out in 2020 whilst we played a load of kids, just baffling. Dizzy was a terrible choice. Not sure what his beef was with Luke.
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Post by herring on Nov 20, 2023 17:09:13 GMT
I remember a bowler we got from Yorkshire was selected as an opener over Wells
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 2, 2023 14:42:09 GMT
An interesting article from Will Macpherson, once more, although this time co-written with Nick Hoult. The Telegraph continues to be the media outlet most attuned to county cricket... at present, anyway. archive.is/SETZxThe feature about the potential of Gloucestershire CCC selling Nevil Road for between £20 and £40 million and using this money to build a brand new ground outside of Bristol, raises again, a similar situation for Sussex CCC. Presumably, Glos would have a fair few million left over after the enterprise is completed. Re: Sussex, before it was decided to spend Spen Cama's legacy on updating Hove starting in 2010, there was an extensive campaign supported by Jim May (Chair) and the county board, to sell the county ground and relocate to an outside venue. A southern area of the Crawley outskirts was deemed a worthy location, but after much deliberation, it was decided to remain at Eaton Road. While the Hove land must be worth a similar amount to Gloucestershire's Nevil Road, the quandary will continue for decades ahead, especially after completion of the new apartment block. Yet, a major problem remains for the club. Money, money, money. How can new and ever increasing revenue streams be created, to make Sussex financially competitive again? For example, selling your ground for £40 million and building a new one for £30 million, allows a £10 million profit to be spent on attracting top players.
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 3, 2023 9:52:47 GMT
When you read this WC do you not see what ive been talking about now. Since Covid all Counties have been forced to face up to their finances, some are obviously much stronger than others.
We took the decision the very tough decision to reduce our wage bill significantly and granted its been a tough watch but the fact is we are coming out of it now with a strong core to our side, a world class coach, our cricket ground still ours, completely debt free and a number of revenue streams outside of Cricket.
Am i really the only one that sees this?
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Post by j on Dec 3, 2023 10:51:19 GMT
When you read this WC do you not see what ive been talking about now. Since Covid all Counties have been forced to face up to their finances, some are obviously much stronger than others. We took the decision the very tough decision to reduce our wage bill significantly and granted its been a tough watch but the fact is we are coming out of it now with a strong core to our side, a world class coach, our cricket ground still ours, completely debt free and a number of revenue streams outside of Cricket. Am i really the only one that sees this? Yes, you are the only one who sees this, because you're the only one who looks through your eyes of delusion. Lets go through what you just claimed: "Strong core to our side", we've just lost one of the players that we were told would be part of the group that we'd rebuild with. We rarely take 20 wickets and in 2022 had to sign 5 overseas players for a 6 week group stage of the blast. Last season, we signed a player for 3 games before bringing back the guy who was only here for 3 months. Our other opener - another one who is supposed to be part of the rebuild - is rumoured to be wanting to leave and we only let players go if they NDA's. That is not a "strong core" "A world class coach", Farbrace is very good. But "world class", come on now. "A cricket ground that's still ours" I should hope so yes. To have somewhere to play is the bare minimum a professional sports club should have. The board haven't yet done what Albion did back in the day and sold our house with nowhere to go, although I wouldn't put is past those incompetent clowns to such a thing. "Completely debt free" and how much of that money supposedly saved actually gets well spent? Very little of it. "A number of revenue streams outside of cricket" Again, that's the bare minimum that any successful business should have. You don't need to be a genius to work out that only 1 source of revenue is not a particularly sustainable way to run an organisation. Are you J** F***y in disguise?
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 3, 2023 11:07:22 GMT
Id read the article J, would you rather have kept a high wage bill and end of selling the ground because of spirraling debts like Gloucester.
maybe i do choose to take a positive spin on it but i do believe Farbrace is one of the best in the world and i do believe we have a strong core to our side, you dont believe that and thats fine.
The number of revenue streams you claim you dont have to be a genius to think it, again read the article it indicates how difficult it is to generate money outside of the cricket season so it clearly is a little harder than you assume.
Haines Hughes Alsop Coles Carter Simpson FHP Carson Seales Karvelas Hunt
Without any further signings that could be our starting 11 next year, who there isnt good enough to play at this level.
You may think im deluded and again thats cool but i look at it and think things arent that bad, yes putting Orr in there will have made a difference but its still strong and we have a lot of talent sitting waiting to come through, Rogers, Ibrahim, Foreman and Lion-Cachet to name a few.
Yes its been tough but we are getting there.
If it doesnt ill accept the stick i get on here, facebook and even the other board, Scouts honour!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 3, 2023 11:53:46 GMT
Whatever view you take, the Club is still faced with a lack of money to be competitive. This is so clearly seen over Alistair Orr. If you don't have the finances to hold on to one of your best up-and-coming youngsters, then you're screwed.
So, how does Sussex CCC find a way of increasing its annual finances, not in 5 years time, but right now?
Success attracts success. Failure brings more failure.
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 3, 2023 12:04:42 GMT
Farbrace didnt want to increase his salary from my understanding, he wanted it used for other players, he may as hes said regret it.
My point of view is im glad we arent in a financial crisis and i dont think Gloucester, Leicester or Middlesex will be the last to show that in the next year or 2.
I think we will go mightily close to the winning Div 2 this year and im hoping we announce Simpson as all format captain sooner rather than later.
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