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Post by joe on Dec 3, 2023 12:13:14 GMT
The Ali Orr debacle wasn’t over the lack of money, it was over the fact that Farbrace didn’t consider him worthy of it. He was happy to give him an extended contract but not the rise in pay. Farbrace has said the same and admitted that he got it wrong.
After losing Finn, Garton and Orr this year there should be plenty in the pot for the 2 domestic signings we were promised by the chairman 2 weeks ago.
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Post by squarepoint on Dec 3, 2023 14:10:46 GMT
Id read the article J, would you rather have kept a high wage bill and end of selling the ground because of spirraling debts like Gloucester. maybe i do choose to take a positive spin on it but i do believe Farbrace is one of the best in the world and i do believe we have a strong core to our side, you dont believe that and thats fine. The number of revenue streams you claim you dont have to be a genius to think it, again read the article it indicates how difficult it is to generate money outside of the cricket season so it clearly is a little harder than you assume. Haines Hughes Alsop Coles Carter Simpson FHP Carson Seales Karvelas Hunt Without any further signings that could be our starting 11 next year, who there isnt good enough to play at this level. You may think im deluded and again thats cool but i look at it and think things arent that bad, yes putting Orr in there will have made a difference but its still strong and we have a lot of talent sitting waiting to come through, Rogers, Ibrahim, Foreman and Lion-Cachet to name a few. Yes its been tough but we are getting there. If it doesnt ill accept the stick i get on here, facebook and even the other board, Scouts honour! Yes that side looks reasonable but it’s once we lose a few players to injuries that things would look threadbare. |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 3, 2023 16:15:29 GMT
Id read the article J, would you rather have kept a high wage bill and end of selling the ground because of spirraling debts like Gloucester. maybe i do choose to take a positive spin on it but i do believe Farbrace is one of the best in the world and i do believe we have a strong core to our side, you dont believe that and thats fine. The number of revenue streams you claim you dont have to be a genius to think it, again read the article it indicates how difficult it is to generate money outside of the cricket season so it clearly is a little harder than you assume. Haines Hughes Alsop Coles Carter Simpson FHP Carson Seales Karvelas Hunt Without any further signings that could be our starting 11 next year, who there isnt good enough to play at this level. You may think im deluded and again thats cool but i look at it and think things arent that bad, yes putting Orr in there will have made a difference but its still strong and we have a lot of talent sitting waiting to come through, Rogers, Ibrahim, Foreman and Lion-Cachet to name a few. Yes its been tough but we are getting there. If it doesnt ill accept the stick i get on here, facebook and even the other board, Scouts honour! Yes that side looks reasonable but it’s once we lose a few players to injuries that things would look threadbare. Yes but the core is strong is the point SP. |
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Post by lovelyboy on Dec 3, 2023 18:00:00 GMT
Whatever view you take, the Club is still faced with a lack of money to be competitive. This is so clearly seen over Alistair Orr. If you don't have the finances to hold on to one of your best up-and-coming youngsters, then you're screwed. So, how does Sussex CCC find a way of increasing its annual finances, not in 5 years time, but right now? Success attracts success. Failure brings more failure. Squeaky blew our chance for extra revenue. He sold off the ground for flats and office rental space. We failed to rent out the space and despite selling our land and getting rid of all our best players we are going to make a loss. That’s utterly appalling management and I don’t understand why anyone would give him any credit at all for looking after our finances. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Dec 4, 2023 0:39:29 GMT
The Ali Orr debacle wasn’t over the lack of money, it was over the fact that Farbrace didn’t consider him worthy of it. He was happy to give him an extended contract but not the rise in pay. Farbrace has said the same and admitted that he got it wrong. After losing Finn, Garton and Orr this year there should be plenty in the pot for the 2 domestic signings we were promised by the chairman 2 weeks ago. Plus Rawlins and Bopara - should be in excess of £400k saved. If the excuse for not bringing any players in is that we haven’t rented out the office space, then that means Squeaky shouldn’t get such plaudits 🤣 for sorting out the finances. Cant have it both ways. Basically, the squad has got weaker and weaker since we started dismantling it in 2020, and we’ve yet to actually see why. |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Dec 4, 2023 0:40:20 GMT
Whatever view you take, the Club is still faced with a lack of money to be competitive. This is so clearly seen over Alistair Orr. If you don't have the finances to hold on to one of your best up-and-coming youngsters, then you're screwed. So, how does Sussex CCC find a way of increasing its annual finances, not in 5 years time, but right now? Success attracts success. Failure brings more failure. Squeaky blew our chance for extra revenue. He sold off the ground for flats and office rental space. We failed to rent out the space and despite selling our land and getting rid of all our best players we are going to make a loss. That’s utterly appalling management and I don’t understand why anyone would give him any credit at all for looking after our finances. Hear hear. Summed up perfectly. |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 7:16:21 GMT
The Ali Orr debacle wasn’t over the lack of money, it was over the fact that Farbrace didn’t consider him worthy of it. He was happy to give him an extended contract but not the rise in pay. Farbrace has said the same and admitted that he got it wrong. After losing Finn, Garton and Orr this year there should be plenty in the pot for the 2 domestic signings we were promised by the chairman 2 weeks ago. Plus Rawlins and Bopara - should be in excess of £400k saved. If the excuse for not bringing any players in is that we haven’t rented out the office space, then that means Squeaky shouldn’t get such plaudits 🤣 for sorting out the finances. Cant have it both ways. Basically, the squad has got weaker and weaker since we started dismantling it in 2020, and we’ve yet to actually see why. I agree, i never actually mentioned Rob Andrew yesterday. I was just saying it isnt the pure doom and gloom its being out to be we are in a healthy state as a cricket club. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 4, 2023 10:52:50 GMT
Joe, The Ali Orr debacle wasn’t over the lack of money, it was over the fact that Farbrace didn’t consider him worthy of it.I refer back to the recent Times articles where Farbrace was quoted: "His agent said, ‘If you want to build a team around him, you should pay him more money. We think he is worth more than you are offering.’ I said, ‘We’ll try our best, but we can’t get to the level you’re wanting.’ The next time we spoke to him we said that if he started the season well, we would increase his money there and then, but we didn’t have the money then. My understanding of that quote, is that Sussex did not have the money available to increase Orr's salary, when it was needed. lab1, ...we are in a healthy state as a cricket club. This is a repeat of Jon Filby's recent and much maligned comment. While, I know you are not Jon, perhaps, you are one of his younger brothers, Andrew, Christopher or William?  |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 4, 2023 11:56:08 GMT
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Post by joe on Dec 4, 2023 13:25:58 GMT
Joe, The Ali Orr debacle wasn’t over the lack of money, it was over the fact that Farbrace didn’t consider him worthy of it.I refer back to the recent Times articles where Farbrace was quoted: "His agent said, ‘If you want to build a team around him, you should pay him more money. We think he is worth more than you are offering.’ I said, ‘We’ll try our best, but we can’t get to the level you’re wanting.’ The next time we spoke to him we said that if he started the season well, we would increase his money there and then, but we didn’t have the money then. My understanding of that quote, is that Sussex did not have the money available to increase Orr's salary, when it was needed. lab1, ...we are in a healthy state as a cricket club. This is a repeat of Jon Filby's recent and much maligned comment. While, I know you are not Jon, perhaps, you are one of his younger brothers, Andrew, Christopher or William? The problem I have with that is we are told Farbrace has complete autonomy so somewhere between what I’ve said and what he’s said lies the truth. When he says we don’t have the money now is that because they are saving it to pay an overseas? In which case the money should have been used to keep Orr because there is definitely enough money in the kitty. |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 4, 2023 13:41:36 GMT
Joe, The Ali Orr debacle wasn’t over the lack of money, it was over the fact that Farbrace didn’t consider him worthy of it.I refer back to the recent Times articles where Farbrace was quoted: "His agent said, ‘If you want to build a team around him, you should pay him more money. We think he is worth more than you are offering.’ I said, ‘We’ll try our best, but we can’t get to the level you’re wanting.’ The next time we spoke to him we said that if he started the season well, we would increase his money there and then, but we didn’t have the money then. My understanding of that quote, is that Sussex did not have the money available to increase Orr's salary, when it was needed. lab1, ...we are in a healthy state as a cricket club. This is a repeat of Jon Filby's recent and much maligned comment. While, I know you are not Jon, perhaps, you are one of his younger brothers, Andrew, Christopher or William? Nope!! I genuinely believe it, i think weve got a really strong platform now to build on. Im not talking about the past 2 years or who is or isnt responsible for it, just the now. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 5, 2023 12:06:07 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 7, 2023 16:07:04 GMT
Below is the link to the Sussex CCC advertisement for a new CEO. I have various concerns. 1. Will the present Club chaos put the best people off? Who wants to tarnish their CV on a county that requires close to a miracle to turn things around? 2. When Rob Andrew first joined, he was paid £90,000 a year. It is unlikely the Club can afford this annual salary now, given its alleged financial problems, so the best available people may not be interested. 3.The final final choice and say comes down to our Chair, Jon Filby, who has little business experience except, many years ago, being an Organisational and Management Consultant, where he was a former ‘Head of People Development’ at London Underground for a short period of time. Since then he has been a glorified volunteer at Sussex including being a Deputy Chair and Chairman of the Sussex Cricket Foundation. Agreed, he helped build the Museum and its Trust as secretary, but does this experience actually assist in choosing the right CEO? sussexcricket.co.uk/sites/default/files/file-downloads/sussex_cricket_-_ceo_candidate_pack_0.pdf |
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Post by therealab1 on Dec 7, 2023 17:31:09 GMT
Below is the link to the Sussex CCC advertisement for a new CEO. I have various concerns. 1. Will the present Club chaos put the best people off? Who wants to tarnish their CV on a county that requires close to a miracle to turn things around? 2. When Rob Andrew first joined, he was paid £90,000 a year. It is unlikely the Club can afford this annual salary now, given its alleged financial problems, so the best available people may not be interested. 3.The final choice and say comes down to our Chair, Jon Filby, who has little business experience except, many years ago, being an Organisational and Management Consultant, where he was a former ‘Head of People Development’ at London Underground for a short period of time. Since then he has been a glorified volunteer at Sussex including being a Deputy Chair and Chairman of the Sussex Cricket Foundation. Agreed, he helped build the Museum and its Trust as secretary, but does this experience actually assist in choosing the right CEO? sussexcricket.co.uk/sites/default/files/file-downloads/sussex_cricket_-_ceo_candidate_pack_0.pdfHe definitely wasnt earning 90k a year to start, it was closer to 65k |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 7, 2023 18:49:57 GMT
I beg to disagree. On very good authority I was told it was £90k. The most Sussex have paid
a CEO. At the RFU Andrew was earning a six figure sum, but was happy to drop his salary so
he could change his career path.
The closing date for the CEO application is December 18th.
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