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Post by fraudster on Jul 30, 2015 22:21:37 GMT
Only Anderson, and only in the first innings, made it talk off the top from what I saw. Funny how you are the only person on the planet who has questioned the pitch - find me one person (quote) who has seen the game that agrees with you? Everybody but you knows why 27 wickets have fallen in the first two days at Edgbaston BM. And this endless rattle about test pitches being supposed to last five days is nonsense too - they're actually supposed to last two innings or three days as an unwritten rule. This one will do about that too and nine times out of ten this would be a 4/5 day match - you got unlucky ticket boy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 22:43:24 GMT
this endless rattle about test pitches being supposed to last five days is nonsense too - they're actually supposed to last two innings or three days Test matches are only meant to last three days? Well stuff me with the rough end of a pineapple. I feel such a fool for never knowing that. If that is true then the ECB should be prosecuted for selling tickets for days four and five. And let's just abolish these three day Tests and play more ODIs instead. When in a hole, fraudster, stop digging! |
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Post by fraudster on Jul 30, 2015 22:48:35 GMT
You've lost it mate, who did you wake up as again, somebody who's never watched cricket? Have yourself a Baileys, tune in to the highlights and think about what you have done.
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Post by howardh on Jul 31, 2015 5:14:10 GMT
From what I have seen it has been quite good bowling and some preposterously bad batting by both sides. Don't tell me that the shots that Bell, Root and Ali played once they had reached 50 were down to the notion that they did not trust the pitch. All were very poor shot selections. Some pretty ordinary cricket from two pretty ordinary test teams.
Enthralling, though.
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Post by sundayleague on Jul 31, 2015 20:39:36 GMT
By far the best pitch of the series so far. Trent Bridge has a lot to live up to in more ways than one, although I'm not that big on atmosphere and noise 25'000 made a hellulva racket
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Post by fraudster on Jul 31, 2015 22:25:50 GMT
I nearly 'liked' that Howard, but ordinary cricket from ordinary teams stopped me. My summary would be that we've seen some excellent bowling from England and some good but kind of reckless batting from England too. I'm not sure what to say about Australia. A three day match isn't expected or planned for, BM, but the blame for that lay somewhere else I think - I know.
Well done England on an emphatic victory.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 1, 2015 6:20:42 GMT
Victories as complete as the one at Edgbaston bring an embarrassing little bundle of problems bobbing along behind them: first, who replaces Anderson, and will this change the shape of the attack? Secondly, don't change a winning team, of course, but can we really continue with Lyth, whose presence seems to give Australia a guaranteed wicket within the first ten overs? Then there is the infuriating problem of Bell, whose assured second innings performance probably will keep him in the team for another year of under-achievement, of occasional sparkles, but mostly of disappointment and unreliability. Bairstow version 2.0 remains an unknown quantity and can't be judged on the brute ball he received from Johnson. Then there is Buttler, no longer looking like an assured batsman but improving as a wicket-keeper. There are a lot of problems that need to be resolved to feel confident we can win this series, and a lot of rebuilding must take place before the tough examinations in the Emirates and in South Africa this winter.
Australia are certainly in complete disarray, with Clarke out of form as a player and distracted in his captaincy by the Haddin/Nevill replacement, which seems to have exposed factions within his team. The middle order that seemed to be so strong has been embarassingly weak following Smith, and the only possible change, Sean Marsh for Voges, is neither like for like nor encouraging. Nevill could and probably should bat a place higher, but if the bowling is to be changed then Starc must be sacrificed,despite his handy late runs yesterday. Siddle would give them a hard-working and experienced option, but Cummins had not played first class cricket for two years before the warm-up games and a Test match might take more out of him than his body can give. Like England they are a very mixed bag with proven successes - Warner, Rogers, Smith, Lyon, occasionally Johnson - working hard at papering over some very big cracks.
Two such incomplete sides were bound to put in fluctuating performances, and its entirely possible that without dramatic changes to personnel Australia could find that things click for them at Trent Bridge and dominate from the start, which seems to be the one consistent thread in this odd series. If that is the case then England would be forced into massive rebuilding changes for the Oval Test. I think the tide may just be in favour of England, and if Wood or another candidate can fit in smoothly and successfully in place of Anderson then the attack should just about carry them through, and perhaps help Bairstow and Buttler to feel confident enough to stamp their authority on the middle-order batting.
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 1, 2015 6:54:32 GMT
An excellent summary hh. I worry about the bowling though. Neither Stokes or Ali have convinced at all. Finn and Broad can both be expensive as can Wood. Talk of Woakes seems premature as he has barely bowled this season due to injury. Had Shahzad maintained form and fitness he would have been a serious consideration. Onions is over the hill and oddly has just played for England under 19's v The Unicorns! The best performing seamers in division one are currently Rushworth at Durham and Patterson at Yorkshire but would they seriously be considered? The cupboard is rather bare.
Unfortunately I would drop Lyth. He has always flashed outside off stump a lot but it is looking that he might not have the temperament for test cricket. Rather than Hales I would prefer to give Compton another chance. However I expect Lyth to keep his place as England like continuity.
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Post by pompeymeowth on Aug 1, 2015 8:56:49 GMT
The pitch looked great to me, the Aussies tried to force the run rate again and paid the price, that's how I saw it. There was an excellent bet which I stupidly convinced myself not to go for, Root highest England scorer (1st inn) and England to win the match was 12-1 !
Lyth is a problem situation, I think he just needs someone to tell him how great he is. As a new recruit he is never going to get a run of poor form like the one Bell has enjoyed, but I think that he should play, and be told so, until the end of the series and evaluate the situation from there.
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Post by fraudster on Aug 1, 2015 9:03:38 GMT
Don't understand the criticism of Bell right now HH. I watched both his innings and he was immense to watch. The first innings was serious pressure and although he absolutely gave his wicket away he scored 50 odd beautiful runs first. Over 100 runs, only out once, high pressure game on the back of a drubbing - Bell was fantastic, a joy to watch.
In Stokes and Buttler we have six and seven nailed down for years and a five bowler team too. We need to find a proper spinner desperately. We have to choose someone and work very hard on them. The spinner should be the fourth bowler and then Stokes can be used for what he is rather than relied on for what he ain't (Flintoff).
I'd give Lyth the series, Wood for Anderson.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 1, 2015 9:14:08 GMT
Problem being there aren't any spinners out there. I feel sorry for the youngsters watching Test cricket as none have had the
pleasure of watching a spinning great.
My generation were spoilt for choice with Warne being one of the picks but as red ball formats focus ever more on seam, an
integral and hugely enjoyable part of the game is being lost.
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Post by pompeymeowth on Aug 1, 2015 10:11:19 GMT
I grew up with Deadly, Bedi and those fellows from Detroit. At test level there are slim pickings, but there must be a good few kids that were inspired by Mushy and Will Beer too hopefully.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 1, 2015 11:51:16 GMT
Jonathan Agnew tweets that Plunkett and Footitt are added, Lyth retained. Both are attacking options, which is good to see, though Plunkett is no longer a man with a lengthy career ahead of him, unfortunately.
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 1, 2015 15:20:14 GMT
Plunkett is hardly any fitter than Anderson. He has barely played this season due to injury and has no notable performances to date. This potential attack worries me as it could easily leak a shedfull of runs easily. England do not require attacking options throughout. A modicum of control would be nice. The Anderson injury is looking to be very crucial in deciding the outcome of this series.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 2, 2015 21:44:09 GMT
Lehmann admitted how tough it was to leave Haddin out even though Peter Nevill looks ready to succeed him as keeper and batsman. ‘Brad has been a brilliant cricketer for Australia over a long period of time and that would be the hardest decision I’ve had to make as coach or player,’ said Lehmann. ‘The facts are, he’s played the last 12 Tests and scored 250 runs at 15, with 16 bowled's out of 21. So it comes down to performance.’ But Haddin was keeping his place at Lord’s before family reasons caused his withdrawal. So performance wasn’t the issue then. The problem for Lehmann is that Clarke’s form is almost as bad as Haddin’s, with him averaging 24 this year, and his problems are compounded by his chronic back condition and hamstring problems that make him a very old 34. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3182577/Michael-Clarke-immense-pressure-senior-figures-believe-Steve-Smith-Australia-captain-Edgbaston-defeat.html#ixzz3hhEkm4riFollow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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