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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 19:44:42 GMT
Soory, alythman. I should have said : it's lovely to have you around, too, and your profound insights into the game and razor-sharp analysis!  |
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Post by jonfilby on May 27, 2014 19:47:46 GMT
Soory, alythman. I should have said : it's lovely to have you around, too, and your profound insights into the game and razor-sharp analysis! But that would be disingenuous. |
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Post by hhsussex on May 27, 2014 19:52:59 GMT
Now then ,gentlemen, that's enough. Any more of this shining-eyed, coyly-worded stuff and I shall throw a bucket of cold water over the pair of you!
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Post by twelvegrand on May 27, 2014 20:36:24 GMT
I was glad to see this flash up - those second screens at work are useful when they're not being used for cross editing two things at high speed! Well done to those that put themselves up for it.
Jon - did Ed or Mark say anything about their experiences or reflections in 2011 or later when the allegations were first made public? Did they clarify if the 'shock' is about this being proven or were they saying they were genuinely unaware of the accusation and circumstantial evidence set out by Ed Hawkins in his book and the media?
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Post by jonfilby on May 27, 2014 22:38:03 GMT
I was glad to see this flash up - those second screens at work are useful when they're not being used for cross editing two things at high speed! Well done to those that put themselves up for it. Jon - did Ed or Mark say anything about their experiences or reflections in 2011 or later when the allegations were first made public? Did they clarify if the 'shock' is about this being proven or were they saying they were genuinely unaware of the accusation and circumstantial evidence set out by Ed Hawkins in his book and the media? Thanks for your supportive comments which are much appreciated. I know that Jim May has received a significant number of messages from people from the club and beyond supporting the approach taken to this.
The answer to your question is that they did not cover the questions you raise because the case itself remains sub judice and so Mark and Ed are not able to comment on when they were first made aware of the accusations. I am sure you understand the reasons for this.
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Post by jim on May 27, 2014 22:55:25 GMT
We are unable to give any details on the alleged incidents in 2011. The cases are sub judice and Sussex CCC and the ECB have worked tirelessly behind the scenes to establish the truth. We were unaware if and when charges would be made and our communication strategy was very simple. Essentially we aimed to keep quiet until any case was built, let the ECB announcement be made with minimal comment, then be proactive about the Club's policy with regard to the general topic. The senior team including Jon, Zac, Robbo and myself worked on a statement to members and stakeholders with the support of the ECB. We also sought the agreement of Middlesex CCC who kindly agreed we could arrange a press conference at the Merchant Taylors Ground. This approach was supported by the players when they met on Sunday. We have been pleased with the significant media coverage. I believe they have accurately reflected the Club's stance and the feelings of the playing and coaching staff. There is a piece on 5 Live Drive today after about 1hour and 19 minutes www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b044j3x5 I have been heartened by the amount of positive messages of support the club and the squad has received as we are all rallying behind our fine team Jim May |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 28, 2014 9:16:52 GMT
Jim, Many thanks for that. Meanwhile, the Chris Cairns match-fixing allegations must be a pivotal case for the future of resolving this terrible cricket blight. It was Lalit Modi who first accused him. Cairns won his case. Now several players are accusing him and the case reopens. The adage 'there is no smoke without fire' rings loudly. What happens second time around if he is found guilty. Where does that place the ICC and other past accusations of players which went nowhere? This case could open the floodgates. But if Cairns wins a second time where does that put the cricket whistleblowers like Vincent and McCullum so badly needed? Will they even bother coming forward in the future? This case shows just how difficult it is to prove an alleged corrupt player. Unless you have solid evidence of taped or filmed recordings, evidence of money laundering and secret bank accounts, it may simply come down to 'his word against mine'. The recent BBC sex scandals and 'Operation Yewtree' clearly show how difficult it is to gain a past demeanour conviction unless the evidence literally overwhelms the court. The Chris Cairns case stinks to high heaven. One hopes a satisfactory solution is found. www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11262889PS: It is alleged that various corrupt players opened secret bank accounts in Dubai to launder their dirty money - often via property investments. There is even a claim that someone high up within the ICC advised and helped them. That story in Ed Hawkins book where one individual who played for an English county team, put his ill-gotten gains of £100,000 from fixing just ONE county match into his bulging Dubai account and then celebrated by holding a party... Quite sickening! Is there not a way of gaining access to such Dubai bank accounts to check or has the UAE become the new Switzerland? PPS: Chris Cairns is fighting back like a cornered snake. twitter.com/chriscairns168Meanwhile, Lalit Modi's twitter is a fascinating read. He offers an extraordinary view on Asian match-fixing and what he believes has been a massive cover up for years. He describes those who run global cricket as "You are all bloody fixers!" and "...The bosses who run global cricket want to save there skins and ban xyz for speaking or disclosing there wrong doings..." Modi even accuses Giles Clarke as an instigator of this cover up. www.thatscricket.com/news/2014/05/23/icc-is-run-fixers-says-lalit-modi-071761.html?utm_content=buffer45901&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=bufferWith 725k followers, perhaps, Modi is the Asian equivalent of Piers Morgan?  twitter.com/LalitKModiFinally, now this is interesting. Chris Cairns being interviewed on Kiwi radio back in early February. He says Vincent being a suspect (back in February) is merely a rumour. Anyone out there an expert on body language? Simply a bloody good liar? www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctnVTz5Ag4o |
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Post by mrsdoyle on May 28, 2014 15:07:50 GMT
Silly question first, who or what are 'stakeholders' in Sussex CCC?
For myself I feel a bit disgruntled having parted with my hard earned cash to attend both of the matches in question, I can imagine the players who represented Sussex those games and played for Sussex and its supporters feel even more disgruntled, cheated and very angry at the idea they could have been fixed and the cloud that now hangs over them.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 28, 2014 15:23:32 GMT
While it's huge congratulations to England for bowling Sri Lanka out for 67, yet with all the match fixing revelations around,
I wonder what odds you could have got for Sri Lanka to be bowled out for under 80 runs after thrashing England in the previous
match? The suicidal run-out from Priyanjan was worse, if memory serves, than the "alleged" Vincent self run-out in the Kent
game. And what of that dropped dolly catch off Cook?
And that is why I believe, should I say have to believe that since 2012, cricket fixing in England has been rooted out and
stopped.
One remembers Ed Hawkins whom after his 3 year book research into the cricket blight said his view of the sport had changed
radically - his enjoyment spoilt - where everything he sees that is out of the ordinary is considered as suspect.
The other side being, batting conditions today are alien to Sri Lanka and many congrats to Jordan for yet another sparkling bowling
performance. Unfortunately for Sussex, this latest fifer means Chris will be included in the Test side which probably means we'll see
more of Prior this season than Jordan.
Mrs D,
I believe 'stakeholders' include sponsors and those financially involved with the club.
edit: A 10 wicket win. Wow! You don't see that very often. Whole game done and dusted
in 2 hours 56 minutes.
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Post by mrsdoyle on May 28, 2014 16:51:16 GMT
Thank you for the info S&F, one imagines corporates sponsors etc. are non too pleased about all this.
I know where you are coming from re doubts over whether what you are seeing is real. We can only trust that it is, apart from anything else to play badly (in order to throw a match) is not a good career move. There is plenty of honest money to be made in one day cricket and International ODIs are a great shop window for your talent.
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Post by jonboy on May 28, 2014 16:57:12 GMT
All in all, not a bad day for Sussex. Jim's statement, followed by CJ's heroics and a great win by the seconds at Eastbourne
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Post by jim on May 28, 2014 17:51:35 GMT
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Post by fraudster on May 28, 2014 18:44:03 GMT
The big issue regarding all this stuff and how Sussex come across is yet to be resolved ain't it? It's all about who knew what and when. Sussex can't do anything about two blokes cheating together if they do it really well, but I find it hard to believe that nobody else knew. Who was the bloke who turned down the chance of cheating at the last minute and then huffed and puffed in the dressing room? Like I say, I find it hard to believe that nothing was noticed. Unless these two s**tbags did it very well, this should have been reported and resolved ages ago.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 31, 2014 11:18:56 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 3, 2014 10:34:35 GMT
Lalit Modi continues his barrage of abuse at the ICC and Giles Clarke via his incessant tweets about match-fixing. His vitriol to those who have crossed him in recent years knows no bounds. If any one has any dirt on @colingibson2 and Giles Clarke of the @ecb_cricket - please do DM me. Will be happy
to take on these clowns
Modi is retweeting claims by James Marsh of 'Pavillion Opinions' that Colin Gibson, the ECB media communications officer, is the Board's whistleblower and is responsible for offering past juicy-sized info about Kevin Pietersen to the media - in particular, Charles Sale at the 'Daily Mail' and one suspects Nick Hoult at the Telegraph, whom Gibson had a working association with in his past. Pavilion Opinions @pavilionopinion · May 30 Ok, so have it on very good authority the head of ECB comms, @colingibson2 was briefing KP stuff to @charliesale.
No leak ECB? B*llocks.twitter.com/ColinGibson2twitter.com/LalitKModitwitter.com/pavilionopinionIf Piers Morgan and Lalit Modi joined forces, imagine the havoc they could wreak! |
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