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Post by coverpoint on Jun 29, 2016 17:52:19 GMT
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Post by nemmo on Jun 29, 2016 21:56:45 GMT
Do they really gain much hanging onto Hales? Of course they don't pay his salary (centrally contracted I assume) so there isn't much to lose but how much they actually see of him in a year. More to the point why would anyone be interested in signing a player who is already well established in the England and likely to miss tonnes of games?
Warwickshire would be stupid to let Chopra go. If they aren't going to renew his contract then he'd be a perfect Joyce replacement but can we compete with the other counties that will want him?
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Post by hhsussex on Jun 30, 2016 7:22:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 8:30:33 GMT
Agree with the 'fillspace' factor. But there is still an interesting story here in that the number of 28 day approaches to poach big name players from other clubs is pretty clearly on the increase and there is strong evidence that cricket is moving closer to a full-blown football transfer system with every season that passes. The other interesting thing about the four names mentioned is that they are all Div One players. The attempted poaching from Div Two by Div One counties is even more rife and highly tempting to the players concerned, who know that they need to be scoring runs against Div One attacks if they are ever going to break through to Test cricket. England are now very, very wary about picking Div Two batsmen after the James Vince experience. Vince's avge in Div Two is 20 runs higher than his average in Div One. That may explain why he is struggling to make the grade in Test cricket. So England selectors now look at Div Two batsmen who may be 'on their radar' such as Westley and Bell-Drummond and knock 20 runs per innings off their average before considering them... |
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Post by coverpoint on Jun 30, 2016 18:32:00 GMT
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Post by fraudster on Jun 30, 2016 23:31:05 GMT
Agree with the 'fillspace' factor Borderman? On the grounds of it being a slight presumably. You join in on the slating and then go on to say it's an interesting story or sub-plot. Your last paragraph sounds more 'fillspace' than anything GD's ever written and is precisely the loose sort of story you criticise him for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2016 7:27:40 GMT
One word to you fraudster: nuance. You should try it sometime!
hhs said "the writer almost appears to be acting as Chopra's agent, building up interest in the prospective suitors". If you read the piece it's hard to disagree with that - especially as the writer had published virtually the same story the day before under the headline, 'Chopra fears for his Warwickshire future' in which he had written:
" it seems odd that Warwickshire have not offered him a new contract. Indeed, they seem resigned - bizarrely resigned - to losing him to another county without putting up much of a fight to retain him.It might be an understandable conclusion if Chopra was a difficult or divisive fellow. But he is far from that. Quite the opposite, really, with his unruffled nature having always been credited as an asset in the past. So the current situation has left him perplexed, frustrated and more than a bit concerned. "I've loved my time at Warwickshire," he tells ESPNcricinfo. "But I've had no contract offer and you sort of draw your own conclusions when that happens."
Wouldn't you say banging Chopra's drum two days running with the same story is more than a little bit 'fillspace'?
But it doesn't mean there might not be an interesting story about increased competition between the 'big' counties for the top names, with the likes of Borthwick and Stoneman as targets, does it?
As for Vince's div one v div two stats sounding "more 'fillspace' than anything GD's ever written", the story was written by 'GD', you dunce. It was only from his story that I knew Vince's batting avge in div one is 20 runs lower than against div two bowling and that this is (allegedly) making England wary of div two batsmen who are unproven against the top county attacks. Doh!
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 1, 2016 17:24:56 GMT
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 1, 2016 17:46:28 GMT
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Post by jonboy on Jul 1, 2016 22:40:52 GMT
Essex were chasing Stone during the winter, and if they're still keen, a move to Chelmsford, and nearer his Norfolk home might suit |
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Post by fraudster on Jul 1, 2016 22:44:12 GMT
Well if he wrote it BM shouldn't you be denouncing it rather than quoting it or relaying it? Took a wrong turn ain't ya? And no, I don't think the Chopra story was more than a little bit fillspace. Chopra's a big name and the link with a few other big name want-aways works nicely - it's a good piece. I agree with the opposite end of what you agree with on HH's post, if anything. I don't agree with many things, like for instance, if someone said to me BM and HH's constant attacks on GD aren't personal, I would disagree.
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Post by fraudster on Jul 1, 2016 22:48:27 GMT
Now that's a shocking piece - how many times did the author mention Warwickshire? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 0:14:38 GMT
Well if he wrote it BM shouldn't you be denouncing it rather than quoting it or relaying it? Took a wrong turn ain't ya? Why? You've lost me with that Fraudulent piece of logic. Why not just say, 'sorry, I got that wrong' and you would earn a little more respect. As for dislike of Dodgy Dobell's tabloid writing, just about everyone in cricket from Team England to the shires will tell you he's a tosspot. Even at Warwickshire , although they find him a useful idiot at times. As for that dislike being personal, would you like to see the FOUR abusive e-mails Dobell sent me last week for daring to make a comment on cricinfo which disagreed with his demonisation of Bairstow? The bloke is several stumps short of a wicket. At The Times in pre-internet days we used to call his sort 'green-inkers', because that was invariably the colour they'd chose to write their abusive letters. They days you just get putrid e-mails in dull old b&w. |
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Post by flashblade on Jul 2, 2016 9:08:17 GMT
Well if he wrote it BM shouldn't you be denouncing it rather than quoting it or relaying it? Took a wrong turn ain't ya? Why? You've lost me with that Fraudulent piece of logic. Why not just say, 'sorry, I got that wrong' and you would earn a little more respect. As for dislike of Dodgy Dobell's tabloid writing, just about everyone in cricket from Team England to the shires will tell you he's a tosspot. Even at Warwickshire , although they find him a useful idiot at times. As for that dislike being personal, would you like to see the FOUR abusive e-mails Dobell sent me last week for daring to make a comment on cricinfo which disagreed with his demonisation of Bairstow? The bloke is several stumps short of a wicket. At The Times in pre-internet days we used to call his sort 'green-inkers', because that was invariably the colour they'd chose to write their abusive letters. They days you just get putrid e-mails in dull old b&w. No thanks, BM! GD appears to carry out his side of your vendetta in private. Would there be any merit in you adopting the same approach? |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 3, 2016 8:51:43 GMT
I hope we are of a mind to try and tie Joyce down for another year, as although it looks as if there will be one or two openers on the move, I can't see us being able to tempt any of them here in our current state. Joyce, along with Nash, has been been one of only two success stories so far this season, and we'd have no chance of replacing him, from within, or from elsewhere. Joyce and Magoffin may be coming to the end of their careers, but they still represent our best performers with bat and ball
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