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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 29, 2016 15:09:59 GMT
Both of you make some interesting comments but I am awaiting until October 18th when the ECB publish their more extensive proposals on a City-Based Tournament before I make further judgments.
No surprise Dave Brooks is not a happy bunny with Bransgrove. He tweets today, "Rod not had a great week with sermons on behalf of @hants_cricket. Undignified to condescending in 3 days. Shame as like him usually..."
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Post by flashblade on Sept 29, 2016 16:23:10 GMT
Both of you make some interesting comments but I am awaiting until October 18th when the ECB publish their more extensive proposals on a City-Based Tournament before I make further judgments. No surprise Dave Brooks is not a happy bunny with Bransgrove. He tweets today, "Rod not had a great week with sermons on behalf of @hants_cricket. Undignified to condescending in 3 days. Shame as like him usually..." You've just reminded me why I wouldn't bother with Twitter! What a pointless tweet - perhaps Brooks should remember to criticise the opinion, not the individual. Perhaps he fears he's in a dwindling minority re the CBT.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 29, 2016 16:37:25 GMT
Fb,
Brooksy is box office gold at present. He holds strong views against a CBT. I and others hold strong views for a CBT. Such opposing viewpoints make the world go around and produces a far more interesting life. Who will win? I am fairly confident a CBT will go ahead so long as the ECB don't blow their upcoming pitch. The proposals on October 18th must be fair and sensible and not upset the apple cart too far.
Personally, I would like to see the ECB annually give each county between £1m and £1.5m. I would hope to see the tournament played in August where no Championship matches occur and for that matter no other formats played either. I would like all England squad players to be available, so that means no international games. And I would hope to see the ECB with a similar courage to Cricket Australia ie. placing a major investment in the tournament. As to when it begins - 2018, 2020 - who knows?
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Post by flashblade on Sept 29, 2016 18:28:03 GMT
Fb, Brooksy is box office gold at present. He holds strong views against a CBT. I and others hold strong views for a CBT. Such opposing viewpoints make the world go around and produces a far more interesting life. Who will win? I am fairly confident a CBT will go ahead so long as the ECB don't blow their upcoming pitch. The proposals on October 18th must be fair and sensible and not upset the apple cart too far. Personally, I would like to see the ECB annually give each county between £1m and £1.5m. I would hope to see the tournament played in August where no Championship matches occur and for that matter no other formats played either. I would like all England squad players to be available, so that means no international games. And I would hope to see the ECB with a similar courage to Cricket Australia ie. placing a major investment in the tournament. As to when it begins - 2018, 2020 - who knows? Agree with your sentiments. Just surprised Brooks made a personal attack. Wouldn't be allowed on this MB!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2016 19:31:19 GMT
Fb, Brooksy is box office gold at present. He holds strong views against a CBT. I and others hold strong views for a CBT. Such opposing viewpoints make the world go around and produces a far more interesting life. Who will win? I am fairly confident a CBT will go ahead so long as the ECB don't blow their upcoming pitch. The proposals on October 18th must be fair and sensible and not upset the apple cart too far. Personally, I would like to see the ECB annually give each county between £1m and £1.5m. I would hope to see the tournament played in August where no Championship matches occur and for that matter no other formats played either. I would like all England squad players to be available, so that means no international games. And I would hope to see the ECB with a similar courage to Cricket Australia ie. placing a major investment in the tournament. As to when it begins - 2018, 2020 - who knows? Oh, make no mistake on the date: it will be 2018, s&f. Nobody can afford to wait until 2020 - Durham and Northants might have gone out of business by then. If you are thinking the start is contingent on the end of the current Sky Sports deal, it is not. And I don't think it is going to be a case of the ECB "giving" £1.5m per annum to the counties, either. According to Bransgrove it is not the ECB but the 18 f/c counties (17 if Filby and Brooks get their way and Sussex refuse to take part) who will own the new tournament and who will therefore automatically share the profits as shareholders. That in itself is an important advance in the autonomy of the counties because the likes of Durham, Kent and Northants will no longer be supplicants reliant on ECB largesse to bail them out of their debts, as all three have been in recent years. As for the preposterous Brooks, he is not "box office gold" - he's comedy gold. How someone who once held a senior management position in the game can behave with such a total lack of dignity and decorum is extraordinary. But with hindsight perhaps it is not surprising: when he was still CEO at Sussex , Kent's CEO Jamie Clifford told me that Brooks was "completely mad". I remember that conversation vividly, because I remonstrated with Clifford and actually told him that I thought Brooks was doing a better job at Sussex than he was doing at Kent. That didn't go down too well. But since Brooks resigned, his puerile behaviour on Twitter has rather suggested that Clifford was right: he's become a court jester, a buffonish figure whose connection with reality is tenuous, like a booted-and-suited executive version of KP.
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Post by flashblade on Sept 30, 2016 8:33:09 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 30, 2016 8:56:35 GMT
Fb, It's going to be a tough, up and down negotiation as the counties attempt to hold on to as much autonomy as possible. One hopes Tom Harrison is as much a diplomat as a businessman when his boss seems incapable of such matters. Meanwhile, there is a fascinating article in the Telegraph, yesterday, from Nick Hoult, highlighting "The week of Rod Bransgrove." I've always had a fondness for Rod which began five years ago when I began researching and following his Rose Bowl folly. Few individuals would have had the confidence, experience or gumption to have taken on such a massive financial project which finally led to, perhaps, the greatest escape in county cricket history when he pulled off an amazing deal with Eastleigh Borough Council and Keith House just as Hampshire and Rod stared into the abyss of complete and utter financial ruin. For that alone, I respect him. And while all this was occurring, he and Giles Clarke fell out. They are similar people with similar financial backgrounds but represent polarising views on cricket. Rod and Hampshire felt left out in the TMG cold by Clarke and he wasn't afraid to express his grievance. Now, Clarke has gone and Rod is strongly supporting the ECB on the City-based Tournament, he has been invited back into the inner sanctum. Politically, they say, timing is everything. Unlike what other commentators have tweeted this week, I believe, it has been an excellent 5 days for Rod. www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2016/09/29/english-four-day-game-will-perish-without-city-twenty20/
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Post by glosexile on Sept 30, 2016 10:17:10 GMT
Personally, l normally have very little time for the regular utterances from Rod Bransgrove. However, in this instance l found it very difficult to disagree with the vast majority of the content of his statement of yesterday. Just goes to prove that it is possible to put together a well reasoned statement (aided or not by a scriptwriter), rather than merely shooting from the hip.
Just a few thoughts regarding his statement:
1. 'Based at grounds with high attendance potential (not necessarily cricket grounds at present)'. Good to know that the Ageas Bowl does not met his stated criteria. 2. Very interesting that a newly established company, owned equally by all 18 counties (and the MCC ?) will receive all the profits from the CBTs. 3. Non traditional cricket grounds. T20 at the London (Olympic) Stadium has obvious potential. Certainly more suitable for hosting cricket rather than football (sorry all Hammers fans!). 4. So, apparently 9.4 million people in the UK profess some interest in cricket. Somehow think this figure is being misused. I have some interest in athletics, boxing, cycling, darts, formula 1, rugby league, tennis etc. No way could l be enticed to actively follow such sports.
Anyway, perhaps time to nail my colours to the mast. I should clearly state that l have no real interest in a city based T20 competition, have little time for the mercenary cricketing globetrotters and would certainly not travel to watch it. However, even traditionalists like me can see that the financial need is undeniable and compelling. A continuing status quo is not a real option.
In addition to the above, I did see a quote somewhere attributed to Andrew Strauss, indicating that the proposed new competition was to be specifically aimed at 6 to 12 year old children. So a completely new family based target audience. Sounds wonderful to me for the future health and interest in our beloved sport.
PS With regard to Bransgrove's apparent desire to attract more children to the sport. As a small but positive step, perhaps he should look to re-introduce the seemingly popular cage cricket that was unfotunatetly withdrawn from the Ageas Bowl!!!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 2, 2016 16:32:34 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 2, 2016 20:46:09 GMT
I came across this feature on Cricinfo tonight as Ryder Cup Europe slumps against the might of America. It casts an eye back to 2002 when the counties were asked to vote on a potential inauguration of the T20 competition. It was close - 11 against 7 - and one of those counties against such a tournament were Sussex who then went on to become one of the early top sides in this format leading to them winning it in 2009. As with the present City-Based debate, the idea was hotly contested and without the late intervention of the then ECB Chairman, Lord Maclaurin, whom at the 11th hour phoned the county Chairmen waivers, pleading with them to "give it a go", the tournament may never have gone ahead. There are various similarities to the present debate. Interestingly, the critics in 2002 dismissed it as a 'hit and giggle' game and predicted a disaster ahead. Christopher Martin-Jenkins wrote at the time: "The only way to approach the whole adventure is with an open mind. Like many a novelty, given fair weather, it will succeed at first. My guess, however, is that it will, in the end, have a negligible effect on crowds, finance, standards or interest..." To the surprise of such critics, the inaugural competition in 2003 was watched by 257,759 spectators. This then increased over the next 13 years to close on 1 million. If one bases the experience of 2003, it is possible to suggest that the inaugural CBT could attract up to 2m people - a figure which might increase to 5m-6m attendance up the road. What I can't understand is why do Sussex have a history of being against change? When the Gillette Cup was created, it was Sussex under the helm of Ted Dexter who led the way. Just as with the 2003 T20 format under the captaincy of Chris Adams. While, Luke Wright may play for the Southern Royals at the Ageas Bowl, the potential £1.5m annual money gained from such a tournament will beneficially help Sussex and allow them to become more competitive, given that many other counties will be using the monies to reduce their debts. www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/579245.html
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 5, 2016 12:00:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 12:34:04 GMT
'Brooksy' has turned himself into cricket's court jester. Absolute clown of the first order. His Twitter account is like the scribblings of Adrian Mole. Hard to believe this buffoon was once Sussex's CEO. His comments about Durham are particularly ironic given that Sussex was the only county which did not vote to allow them f/c status. The vote was 16-0, with Sussex as the sole abstention.
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Post by glosexile on Oct 5, 2016 19:27:19 GMT
Interesting use of the term fair. I note that Bransgrove trots out the same term "the sanctions imposed as a result of Durham's circumstances are fair and have been well considered". "It was certainly Rod's week". Forgive me for not joining in with a round of applause. A poor week for cricket in my book, which is far more important than this egotistical mania. In other news, Mr ME, ME, ME can't resist but tell BBC Sport that Hampshire's hope of staging a future Ashes test has been boosted by Durham losing their Test ground status. Talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Sometimes the wise know when it is prudent to remain silent. However, you can always rely on Rent A Quote to seek to bask in the limelight and continue to embarrass his county.
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Post by leedsgull on Oct 6, 2016 9:02:45 GMT
Essex have held their Members meeting to discuss the new proposals and it seems from the coverage on the Essex outfielder site that it was a reasonable debate. The clubs hierarchy stated that they had not voted for the new system merely for further discussion. At least they are trying to keep their members informed. The subject has never even appeared on the Yorkshire website and a member on their White Rose Forum tried to get the subject dealt with by management and was ignored. www.network54.com/Forum/274761/thread/1474016889/last-1475685055/Future+of+county+based+cricket
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 21:31:04 GMT
Comedy Dave (aka 'Adrian Mole') at it again on Twitter. Now claiming to be a Glamorgan member and firing off angry tweets to CEO Hugh Morris demanding to know when he's going to be consulted over their vote on the T20 competition.
Glamorgan politely tweeted back pointing out ‘actually, we announced our consultation two weeks ago.’
How many counties is he trying to browbeat over this? And how many votes does he want?
The guy is an absolute headcase. Am I the only one to find it scary to think this sociopath once held a senior position at Sussex CCC?
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