Bazpan
2nd XI player
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Post by Bazpan on Oct 4, 2019 11:12:50 GMT
Sorry to interpose more of my fatuous commentary into your serious discussion. (Great answers by the way, Flashblade). In case anyone hasn't been to the Hundred website in the last couple of days, I think it's important that these ... mission statements(?) ... get as much exposure as possible.
Rise with Birmingham Phoenix, and thrive together as one. Bigger, brighter and better united, this team is a celebration of the strength in diversity. Because different is good.
London Spirit is an iconic team for an iconic city, rooted in tradition and lighting the way to the future, with a unique ability to conjure something special.
Manchester Originals. Pioneers. Revolutionaries. Celebrating a global city of firsts. Laughing in the face of limits. Raising the bar forever higher.
Step aside for Northern Superchargers, a team whose drive and determination is matched only by their desire to win. Powered by positivity and people who get stuff done when every ball counts.
Belong to something bigger, with Oval Invincibles. Vibrant, expressive, and free to play their own way, this team leaves a lasting impression long after the last ball.
Follow Southern Brave, and go boldly where others shy away. Endlessly curious, with an insatiable appetite for adventure, what’s over the horizon?
Join Trent Rockets for the biggest party in the country. Everyone’s invited - so long as you don’t mind having the most fun. Volume up, ready for launch.
Spark the Welsh Fire. Burning bright with intense passion and relentless energy, their hunger will prove the haters wrong. Get ready to feel the heat.Fair takes your breath away, doesn't it? Someone somewhere has got the job of satirising this bilge. Glad it's not me.
I think Southern Brave have got one of the better snack names on their shirts. Pom-Bear is quite cute in a way that Butterkist (Birmingham Phoenix) and Skips (Trent Rockets) aren't. It was a good idea to make the POM-BEAR logo all upper-case, otherwise it looks like Adult-Entertainment-Bear.
I can't be the only person who finds that Birmingham Phoenix's pink & tan colour scheme does something funny to their eyes. Expect a sudden increase in migraines in the Edgbaston area next summer.
Powered by positivity though they may be, Hundred fans from Yorkshire and Durham will presumably be as slow on the uptake as the rest of them, and will definitely think their team is called Super Northern Chargers.
I'm getting a subliminal message from the 'Belong to something bigger' team.
 
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 4, 2019 11:43:36 GMT
Fb,
Yes to both - A1 (The Blast will no longer be in the school holidays) and A2 (This is the beginning of a slippery slope for the smaller counties.) Additionally: A3; It will marginalise the CC and the 50 over competition. A4: As a result of A3, membership subscriptions will continue to fall. A5: It pretends to have a new audience, consisting of people who have never been interested in cricket. If the target audience excludes Blast fans, who on earth is going to attend? A6: The competition must be so poorly regarded in the business world that the ECB has been reduced to accepting sponsorship from junk food manufacturers. This reinforces the existing terrible image, and is a damaging image to project to the young audience it seeks.
1. The T20 Blast has rarely been held in the school holidays. These holidays begin in late July and end early September. The T20 in 2011, for example, was played during June and July. 2. Why will the 100 marginalise the CC and 50 over when the competition is aimed at a new market? 3. Junk food manufacturers: What's wrong with this? Surely, a lot better than betting companies who are annually increasing their sponsorship with professional football both in Britain and Europe. Which has a worse image with the public?
The vast majority of the criticism aimed against The 100 is based on speculation and what might/could/may be/possibly occur. At the end of the 2022 tournament season, let us then have a serious debate about the pros and cons of The 100. Your views might come true, they might not. We have no idea at this premature stage. You can hardly flog a dead horse when it hasn't even been born.
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A.S.
2nd XI player
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Post by A.S. on Oct 4, 2019 12:15:56 GMT
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Bazpan
2nd XI player
Posts: 191
County club member: Kent
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Post by Bazpan on Oct 4, 2019 12:25:19 GMT
Why will the 100 marginalise the CC and 50 over when the competition is aimed at a new market?
The domestic one-day cup will be greatly diminished as the Hundred will hoover up most of the best domestic limited-overs players. (Roughly 100 of them, as it goes). Aside from the resulting 'development tournament' providing sub-standard fare for county fans, how is it supposed to generate players who can be expected to be competitive in ODIs and the next World Cup?
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Bazpan
2nd XI player
Posts: 191
County club member: Kent
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Post by Bazpan on Oct 4, 2019 12:50:02 GMT
I think the government must have been preoccupied with some other matter since that article was published, but if they ever get back on the case with this it's going to be a bit awkward! It always seems a bit tatty when Muslims playing for Kent have to have their Shepherd Neame logos covered up. It really won't be a great look when every Hundred player's shirt is just a mask of Elastoplast. And when they're deprived of the opportunity to "help grow cricket and get families active", the Hundred's Official Team Partner is likely to want its money back.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 4, 2019 19:14:41 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Oct 5, 2019 10:39:11 GMT
This is a poor article. The main argument is that we cannot expect the ECB to explain its thinking, its plans, and its market research until and unless we stop complaining. It argues that if only we stopped moaning, then we could expect the ECB to answer all our fears and complaints. A key sentence: "Instead, we must generate reasoned debate. When we do, we can fairly expect to be heard - and most importantly acknowledged - by the ECB." The article then goes on to list the areas where we should expect answers from The ECB. It then states: "These are important questions which relate to the sport’s future, and which have yet to be satisfactorily answered. But for as long as we wag our fingers and shake our heads at every announcement, however benign, those who should be answering these questions will feel justified in looking the other way." What utter tosh. In summary, the ECB is justified in not answering our concerns, because we have been voicing those concerns! Strange logic. I wonder if the writer is secretly on our side, but has twisted his reasoning so as not to offend the ECB unduly? Can anyone else make sense of this? |
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Post by theleopard on Oct 5, 2019 11:31:44 GMT
Why will the 100 marginalise the CC and 50 over when the competition is aimed at a new market?
This is a view often expressed, but is there really evidence to support it? Do you think if the Championship was played from June to August England would rise to No 1 in the world? We had summers full of Championship cricket in the 1980s and 1990s and the England sides were frequently woeful. |
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Post by flashblade on Oct 6, 2019 8:39:21 GMT
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Post by theleopard on Oct 6, 2019 10:22:06 GMT
Well if the high ground is to be taken over that, then we need to make a start by removing all alcohol-related ads from grounds and kits, and with alcohol consumption only permitted in a small bar area in the grounds.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 6, 2019 11:05:55 GMT
Well if the high ground is to be taken over that, then we need to make a start by removing all alcohol-related ads from grounds and kits, and with alcohol consumption only permitted in a small bar area in the grounds. Adults are old enough to make their own decisions. Children have to be guided. Who in their right mind would want to encourage today's kids to eat junk food? This is common sense - not the 'high ground'. |
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Post by theleopard on Oct 6, 2019 11:48:53 GMT
Well if the high ground is to be taken over that, then we need to make a start by removing all alcohol-related ads from grounds and kits, and with alcohol consumption only permitted in a small bar area in the grounds. Adults are old enough to make their own decisions. Children have to be guided. Who in their right mind would want to encourage today's kids to eat junk food? This is common sense - not the 'high ground'. Well that’s a hugely debatable subject and I’m afraid alcohol promotion can’t be shrugged off as simply as that. Many would disagree and there are strong advertising and consumption restrictions around sport in numerous European countries, as well as restrictions on advertising in the wider society. Note also I didn’t say I approved of the snacks advertising. |
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Bazpan
2nd XI player
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Post by Bazpan on Oct 6, 2019 12:20:45 GMT
Championship cricket is already getting pushed towards the beginning and end of the season. This is no way to encourage the acquisition of formal batting technique, or fast & spin bowling skills. The deterioration is already evident in the Test side.
This is a view often expressed, but is there really evidence to support it? Do you think if the Championship was played from June to August England would rise to No 1 in the world? We had summers full of Championship cricket in the 1980s and 1990s and the England sides were frequently woeful.
If you were given the job of encouraging the development of Test cricketers, given a free hand with the fixture list, you probably wouldn't try to maximise the number of Championship matches played in spring and autumn. (People who understand cricketing skills and the influence of pitch & weather conditions better then I do will be able to make this argument much more persuasively).
Spin bowlers (attacking ones in particular) are accustomed to not exactly being the first name on the team sheet until well into summer. As the Championship fixture list gets more and more hollowed out, spin bowling is going to seem less and less like a career with a future.
Much the same applies to bowlers striving for real pace and not getting much reward for their efforts on doughy early- and late-season wickets, as they watch their medium-fast teammates bending the ball round corners and racking up five-wicket hauls.
Even high-class batsmen often struggle to prosper in these extravagantly seam-friendly conditions. Attempting to develop and operate a solid defensive technique must feel like a mug's game sometimes. It's easy to see why a batsman might conclude that there's more money in trying to emulate Jason Roy than in becoming the next Nick Compton.
Of course this isn't a binary syndrome; just a tendency. But positive and negative tendencies are often what dictate sporting success or its lack.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 6, 2019 12:37:18 GMT
Adults are old enough to make their own decisions. Children have to be guided. Who in their right mind would want to encourage today's kids to eat junk food? This is common sense - not the 'high ground'. Well that’s a hugely debatable subject and I’m afraid alcohol promotion can’t be shrugged off as simply as that. Many would disagree and there are strong advertising and consumption restrictions around sport in numerous European countries, as well as restrictions on advertising in the wider society. Note also I didn’t say I approved of the snacks advertising. I agree that alcohol is a social issue in this country. But, the subject of this discussion is (was?!) junk food promotion by the ECB. You implied that my opinion was being delivered from 'the high ground' - I disagree strongly with this. I do not want to see junk food actively promoted to youngsters, and I suggest there are only two bodies who do - those in the junk food supply chain, and the ECB. |
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Post by theleopard on Oct 7, 2019 8:20:46 GMT
This is a view often expressed, but is there really evidence to support it? Do you think if the Championship was played from June to August England would rise to No 1 in the world? We had summers full of Championship cricket in the 1980s and 1990s and the England sides were frequently woeful.
If you were given the job of encouraging the development of Test cricketers, given a free hand with the fixture list, you probably wouldn't try to maximise the number of Championship matches played in spring and autumn. (People who understand cricketing skills and the influence of pitch & weather conditions better then I do will be able to make this argument much more persuasively).
Spin bowlers (attacking ones in particular) are accustomed to not exactly being the first name on the team sheet until well into summer. As the Championship fixture list gets more and more hollowed out, spin bowling is going to seem less and less like a career with a future.
Much the same applies to bowlers striving for real pace and not getting much reward for their efforts on doughy early- and late-season wickets, as they watch their medium-fast teammates bending the ball round corners and racking up five-wicket hauls.
Even high-class batsmen often struggle to prosper in these extravagantly seam-friendly conditions. Attempting to develop and operate a solid defensive technique must feel like a mug's game sometimes. It's easy to see why a batsman might conclude that there's more money in trying to emulate Jason Roy than in becoming the next Nick Compton.
Of course this isn't a binary syndrome; just a tendency. But positive and negative tendencies are often what dictate sporting success or its lack.
Good answer. |
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