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Post by theleopard on Sept 9, 2016 14:44:17 GMT
Who will want to pay £35 million for the rights to a 4-week domestic tournamant featuring 8 made-up sides? And who is going to watch it? If those are genuine questions, why don't you wait and see? If you're implying that the answer to your questions is 'nobody' and 'nobody', then is that your objective forecast, or fervent wish, or both? Why not just admit that you hope it ends in failure? Will you be disappointed if it works commercially? I am genuinely interested to know. There are so many questions surrounding this, and many of them surely need to be seriously considered. Who would be interested in watching this, in such volumes that it would be worth a channel paying £35 million for it, and why?
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Post by flashblade on Sept 9, 2016 14:50:47 GMT
If those are genuine questions, why don't you wait and see? If you're implying that the answer to your questions is 'nobody' and 'nobody', then is that your objective forecast, or fervent wish, or both? Why not just admit that you hope it ends in failure? Will you be disappointed if it works commercially? I am genuinely interested to know. There are so many questions surrounding this, and many of them surely need to be seriously considered. I think we can assume that the ECB are considering these very points. There is no point you asking questions that relate to commercially sensitive negotiations currently in progress. Why not be patient?Who would be interested in watching this, in such volumes that it would be worth a channel paying £35 million for it, and why? There is no point asking us messageboarders. We have not conducted the market research or prepared the business plan. Or is your question rhetorical?
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Post by nemmo on Sept 9, 2016 15:35:31 GMT
That amount of money is peanuts to Sky or BT surely? I imagine the ECB will make it viable for them to take a punt on it for a few seasons and put everything into making sure the deal is sweet.
Our friends on the Ovalworld forums are unsurprisingly seeming to be not in favour:
This has been the view from Surrey the entire time. That they deserve their own franchise because they sell their ground out anyway. This looks very unlikely to happen. Yorkshire were of a similar view, though I imagine they will be happy to vote for the proposal given their financial situation. Does anyone think that any other counties are still likely to vote against now they know they will get the money and to keep their own T20 competition? Perhaps Surrey do not realise that they are not as indispensable as they believe as there are 9 test match grounds in the country and 8 teams needing a ground. Refusal to let the Oval be used will not be a major obstacle and another of the grounds can be chosen.
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Post by flashblade on Sept 9, 2016 18:43:17 GMT
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Post by alythman on Sept 9, 2016 20:54:22 GMT
I can vaguely see the argument why the new proposals might be in the interests of English cricket, but all I see from a Sussex perspective is a future of misery where no meaningful cricket is played in the county. Any decent player who may have started on Sussex's radar will just be signed up by the 8 franchise host counties, who will hold all the financial and political muscle, and therefore attract all the decent players
certainly fail to see why I should be in a rapturous, orgasmic state as fluffy seems to be in. All I see is a future of Sussex as second class citizens
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Post by alythman on Sept 9, 2016 21:07:45 GMT
...and the issue of blackmail/ bribes is self-explannatory - wouldnt be offered if it was that really in the interests of the dissenting counties - big bullying multinationals do it all the time to get their way- amazed the fluffmeister thinks its such a great way to conduct business
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Post by alythman on Sept 9, 2016 21:10:33 GMT
.....ive also always had a problem with Graves and the ****loads of money owed to him by Yorkshire - huge conflict of interest which for me undermines all he is trying to do
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Post by nemmo on Sept 9, 2016 22:13:59 GMT
I can vaguely see the argument why the new proposals might be in the interests of English cricket, but all I see from a Sussex perspective is a future of misery where no meaningful cricket is played in the county. Any decent player who may have started on Sussex's radar will just be signed up by the 8 franchise host counties, who will hold all the financial and political muscle, and therefore attract all the decent players certainly fail to see why I should be in a rapturous, orgasmic state as fluffy seems to be in. All I see is a future of Sussex as second class citizens This is why the franchises need to be kept very separate from all of the counties. For all intents and purposes "Franchise hosting county" is no different to "Test Match County", and there is a already a degree of poaching going on between the 2 types of county. What extra power will hosting a franchise give them? The hosting fee is not huge and shouldn't create an imbalance. The other money is the same for all of the counties. The "No meaningful cricket" being played in the county is also rubbish as it will be exactly the same as it is now. Unless, of course, you are trying to indicate that you feel the new T20 franchises will be the only meaningful teams
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 9, 2016 22:23:42 GMT
Simon/alythman, Good to hear from you again and I enjoyed reading your posts. 'Orgasmic' is a bit OTT - excited might be closer the truth. I am excited because "if" the Nick Hoult revelations are true and we won't know what is going on until next Wednesday, when the goalposts may change, anyway, county cricket has an opportunity of paying off their £90m+ debts. It may take awhile to achieve but an annual £1.5m a year + £300k to the TMGs for hosting the matches, finally offers clubs like Northants, Durham, Warwickshire, Yorkshire etc.. an opportunity to make vital inroads. I am also excited because an EPL offers cricket a chance to survive in to the future. The sport desperately requires new people to come and watch it, especially the youngsters. This has been proven in Australia where a majority percentage of those who attend the Big Bash matches are new to the game. Such people would rather see a City-based team packed full of top world cricketers from England and overseas, rather than their county side in a more tame, low-key 'T20 Blast'. And, like football, where I support two clubs, Brighton and Liverpool, in cricket I can now follow Sussex and an EPL Franchise team which excites me too. As for your depressive view, "all I see from a Sussex perspective is a future of misery where no meaningful cricket is played in the county..." There will still be 14 Championship games; presumably some form of 50 over cricket + the present T20 Blast. Don't ask me how all this will be fitted in, but perhaps we will learn more next week. The EPL is only planned for one month - so the other 5 months of the season will be service as usual. So, I don't understand the melancholy. If other games are played in that monthly window, then it could be beneficial to Sussex as they may not experience such a player drain as some other counties. While it offers further opportunities for the youngsters to gain vital experience in the 1st XI. 'Fluffmeister' I like the name. May I have the rights to use it? Perhaps, I should change my avatar to a brown bear? Meanwhile, I agree with you about Colin Graves. There is an uncomfortable conflict of interest involved. How this can be resolved, who knows? www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkR0krOm9M4
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Post by nemmo on Sept 9, 2016 23:29:02 GMT
It would also not surprise me if this was deliberately leaked by the ECB to gauge reaction before announcing it formally. They did a similar thing with the toss regulations if I recall correctly. They first said that the visiting team in Div2 would be able to choose whether to bat or field then quickly modified as a result of the outrage it caused.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 11, 2016 12:25:28 GMT
Intrigue is upon us at Sussex CCC as the BIG day beckons (Wed Sept 14th) when the ECB tell us their latest plans on creating an EPL. Not surprisingly, some Sussex fans are not happy. Journalist Simon Hemelryk who is in my good books, as he bought my 2008 bat, in a charity auction, with all the Sussex players signatures during last November's 'Meet the Players' event for £40, tweets: Simon Hemelryk Retweeted George Dobell"This suggests @sussexccc may support city franchises. That could be a huge mistake that would anger many fans." (Non-disclosure agreements cloud T20 debate: www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2016/content/story/1056059.html …) This was then retweeted by former club CEO, Dave Brooks, and the Sussex Inner Circle. Brooks added, "I would encourage @sussexccc members to share views with their Board. Meeting on Mon to agree position..." Does this mean there will be a behind closed doors meeting with the Inner Circle and Zac and Jim? Aren't all Members invited or do, yet again, the IC gain special privileges? Hemelryk then asks: "Have members had letters about this? Where and what time?" He adds, "If Sussex support this, as a member, I would be disgusted." The Inner Circle then concurs, "Sussex fans do not want this, lets hope Jim May and @zacstert20 vote the correct way." This email conversation, once more, shows the influence the IC "believe they have" over the Club. So, a minority group of supporters can, on their own, without any support or agreement from other Sussex Members who may hold differing opinions to them, set up a special and elite meeting with the Sussex hierarchy, in the hope, they can persuade them not to agree with the ECB. And should a former club CEO be allowed, still, to have influence and sway over Sussex CCC? Is this fair? Is this right? Is this legal? Meanwhile, the editor of T he Cricketer Magazine and Channel 5 cricket analyst supremo, tweets: simon hughes @theanalyst"
"Those county supporters who don't want change in the structure are sleep walking to county crickets grave..." PS: The inner circle "invite-only" Forum is neck and neck with us re: Members. Each now has just over 300. But when it comes to monthly page views, this Forum crushes 'em.
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Post by alythman on Sept 11, 2016 12:29:51 GMT
sorry fluffmeister but you are way off the mark suggesting the inner circle has any influence
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 11, 2016 12:30:48 GMT
So, why does Dave Brooks tweet:
"I would encourage @sussexccc members to share views with their Board. Meeting on Mon to agree position..."
As for your 'no influence' response.
Jon Filby, one of the founders of your Inner Circle Forum, alongside Martin Denyer, was first made Vice-Chairman by Jim May and the Club Board.
No influence?
He then left that position, so he could work alongside Zac Toumazi to bring about 'Sussex Cricket PLC'.
No influence?
Who overseers the Club Museum and has been its secretary for the last 4 years.
No influence? And, I've been told by my own IC club moles, may now be being groomed by Jim May to become the next Sussex CCC Chairman in 2017.
No influence?!?
Your Inner Circle and the club hierarchy are as thick as thieves given the present Club Chairman and the former CEO are also at the top of it!
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Post by alythman on Sept 11, 2016 12:47:19 GMT
really have no idea what you are on about - jon is also on this board as is jim may - You are looking for something sinister where none exists
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Sept 11, 2016 12:51:33 GMT
You must be in denial of the bleedin' obvious. Anyway, you call this Forum 'The Dark side', so 'something sinister' fits in nicely with your belief.
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