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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 20:17:44 GMT
Next Friday’s final round of T20 group games all begin with a welcome conformity at 5.30 pm. That means that every game will end well before 8.30 pm in natural daylight and floodlights will not come into the equation.
Hurrah!
Sussex has a pioneering place in the history of English floodlit cricket as the first county to install them back in 1999. But can we stop for a moment and ask why we need to be playing cricket at 10 o’clock at night - especially now the T20 tournament starts in the shivering nights of mid-May ? I confess I have never been a fan of floodlit cricket. But the question has been made more pertinent by last night’s televised game when Kent suffered a bizarre kind of floodlight ‘failure’, when the county decided to turn off the lights due to high winds which allegedly threatened to cause an ‘elf 'n' safety’ issue that could only be resolved by lowering the pylons and plunging the ground into darkness. By 9.30 when the game was called off, it still hadn't rained; with exquisite irony as a couple of million pounds worth of telescopic floodlights were dimmed and lowered, the game was officially abandoned due to "bad light".
At the time, Somerset were behind on the D/L , but were potentially catching up fast, having just smashed 16 from a Claydon over and 15 from one from Harmison.
It was the second time in the last three visits by Sky cameras to Canterbury that viewers have been robbed of a game:towards the end of last season a televised 40 overs game v Warwicks was abandoned because one of the floodlights pylons blew up.
And these kind iof problems have plagued English floodlit cricket ever since it was introduced. Take this article from Cricinfo in 2009 which reported:
“Kent have opted against staging floodlit cricket at Canterbury next summer. The county have taken the decision following problems in the last two years caused by strong winds preventing temporary lights being used at the St Lawrence Ground.
The NatWest Pro40 Division 2 game against Surrey in August was reduced to 27 overs-a-side after the lights had to be lowered when the wind speed increased. A year earlier, the game against Leicestershire was abandoned, when the lights were unable to be used because of the strong winds. Kent’s director of business development Jamie Clifford said: "We have taken the decision because we don’t want to short-change the public again. Two years running they haven’t got what they wanted, so we have given ourselves some breathing space, and time to reflect on it. The new development will include permanent floodlights, which is a very exciting prospect."
Yet the installation of permanent lights has not improved matters, as was promised and just as many games are still being lost due to the technical and logistical problems of artificial lighting. I don’t know if Kent’s lights are particularly cheap or shoddy, but the Kent cricket-watching public is still being “short-changed” by a chronic inability to guarantee reliable artifical lighting outisde normal daylight hours.
Kent admittedly seem to have a bigger problem than most; but they are certainly not the only ones. Sussex supporters will remember when the boot was on the other foot and Kent were incandescent with rage when a T20 game at Hove in 2009 was abandoned due to floodlight failure when they were on 66 without loss from 11 overs chasing a modest 131, and D/L bizarrely awarded the game to Sussex.
It's instructive that two of Sussex’s biggest T20 crowds this season were on a Sunday – v Sri Lanka at Hove and v Somerset at Arundel. That seems a compelling case for playing T20 on Sunday afternoons to me. But if we must have T20 on Friday nights, let all matches start at 5.30, as they regularly do at Durham, Glos, Leics, Somerset, Worcs and Yorks – and as they all will next Friday as the group stage reaches its climax.
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Post by longhops on Jul 19, 2014 23:55:19 GMT
Borderman said: It's instructive that two of Sussex’s biggest T20 crowds this season were on a Sunday – v Sri Lanka at Hove and v Somerset at Arundel. That seems a compelling case for playing T20 on Sunday afternoons to me. But if we must have T20 on Friday nights, let all matches start at 5.30, as they regularly do at Durham, Glos, Leics, Somerset, Worcs and Yorks – and as they all will next Friday as the group stage reaches its climax.
Agreed that yet again the Floodlights at Canterbury "were let down" (sorry about the pun.) We were there and the wind was pretty horrendous.(Comparable with Quins V Lecs in Jan when the game was abandoned because of safety issues:Scaffold boards and hoardings flying across the pitch!)The storm would have finally got STL anyway as it began to rain as we left at 9.20pm. If you are not working, matches on a Friday evening are fine, but if you do work it is nothing short of a nightmare. If you live in a city: London, Nottingham, Manchester, Brum etc.. with good transport links, it is not a problem. When you have to travel across the county with traffic pouring out of London on a Friday night it is a problem. Even If I was travelling down to Hove for a 5.30pm start, I would find it difficult to get there. So perhaps Sunday afternoons would be good. Hey Here's something radical! Why not make Sunday afternoons double headers for T20 blast or damn(insert suitable curse)?
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Post by horsham48 on Jul 20, 2014 7:53:09 GMT
Well said Borderman....evening cricket in May, total nonsense. I cannot understand why the T20 competition is spread over 3 months. At least when it was all played in a shortish period it was easier to get overseas players on board. All our evening games this year have been at 7pm (better than 710 !) although last Tuesday's was 630..even better for people like me who travel quite a way by train ! A lot of wasted electricity over the season !
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Post by leedsgull on Jul 20, 2014 7:55:59 GMT
I totally agree about the ridiculous use of floodlights in this country. It has never worked due to our climate. How many days is it really warm enough to sit outside at 10.00? Yorkshire are installing lights this winter incurring further debt.They struggle to get more than a good county attendance for 20/20 already. From what I have heard this will alienate many more who will have trouble with transport at that time of night as well as the previously mentioned weather issues. It should also be pointed out that it is lighter for at least ½ hour longer each night up here so will not even be dark enough for lights until mid August!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 8:09:36 GMT
Another thought that strikes me is that if there really is a previously unexploited post-work Friday night audience gagging to watch pro-sport under floodlights, as the ECB tells us there is, why haven't football clubs in the championship/divs one and two, who can't fill their stadia on Saturday afternoons, moved all their fixtures to Friday nights?
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Post by hhsussex on Jul 20, 2014 8:15:56 GMT
Cease the hurrahs, borderman, you have not yet considered the Royal London 50 over matches in August . The Hove games will begin at 2pm, and the ECB rules states "Two innings of 3.5 hours split by an interval of 45 minutes"
So that would imply 2nd innings starting at about 6.15 and going on till about 10.05, well beyond lighting-up time. And am I being crass, or does 50 overs in 3 1/2 hours not seem to be short-changing the public? Its not a Test with all of the opportunities for finagling and stretching things ourt. Surely the point of limited overs competitions is to provide quick changes between overs, to keep things moving? Or is it just to allow the waiters in the Boundary Rooms more time to serve the next round?
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Post by flashblade on Jul 20, 2014 10:43:17 GMT
I have to confess to a liking for floodlit cricket. My view is that, whatever the sport, the floodlit variety is more exciting than the daylight variety. I think artificial light produces more dramatic theatre. The pros are: - as above - it's more exciting - working folk and school children can attend evening matches - the club can sell corporate entertaining - the club can sell more food and drink generally - it can attract people that wouldn't normally watch cricket The cons seem to be: - attendances are no greater than on Sunday afternoons - it can be cold in the early months of the season - public transport may not be available at the end of the match [but this applies to any evening event - sporting, theatrical, etc, etc] - possible floodlight failure (mainly at Kent) [this is comparatively rare - except at Kent] BM's opening comments seem to spring from his admitted antipathy to floodlit cricket, which was exacerbated by the latest Kent floodlight failure. However, we need clarification on one point, BM - when is floodlit cricket "gratuitous", and when is it otherwise? Thanks for starting the thread, BM. It's an interesting topic for discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 8:27:57 GMT
What a lovely weekend of non-floodlit white ball cricket.
A terrific round of final T20 games on Friday all starting at 5.30 (apart from the slight delay at Chelmsford while Sussex players queued for the Dartford toll tunnel!) and ending in daylight. According to BBC Radio Kent, Kent, who start all their T20 games at 7pm and questioned the ECB's decision to force them to play at 5.30, recorded one of their biggest crowds of the season, no doubt swelled by the knowledge that for once there was no chance of floodlight failure ruining the match and there was time after the game to get home to other parts of the county. Perhaps they will now reconsider and play all T20 games at the more sensible time of 5.30 next season. I made the suggestion on their facebook page and instead of addressing the issue, the comment was deleted!
Then a cracking debut to the new 50 over cup on TV on Saturday with the Roses match and a splendid round of games yesterday in daylight hours, including Horsham.
Yet from here on, many of the counties are playing their remaining 50 over cup games over the ludicrous timetable of 2-10 pm. WHY? ? ?
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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2014 9:06:24 GMT
What a lovely weekend of non-floodlit white ball cricket. A terrific round of final T20 games on Friday all starting at 5.30 (apart from the slight delay at Chelmsford while Sussex players queued for the Dartford toll tunnel!) and ending in daylight. According to BBC Radio Kent, Kent, who start all their T20 games at 7pm and questioned the ECB's decision to force them to play at 5.30, recorded one of their biggest crowds of the season, no doubt swelled by the knowledge that for once there was no chance of floodlight failure ruining the match and there was time after the game to get home to other parts of the county. Perhaps they will now reconsider and play all T20 games at the more sensible time of 5.30 next season. I made the suggestion on their facebook page and instead of addressing the issue, the comment was deleted! Then a cracking debut to the new 50 over cup on TV on Saturday with the Roses match and a splendid round of games yesterday in daylight hours, including Horsham. Yet from here on, many of the counties are playing their remaining 50 over cup games over the ludicrous timetable of 2-10 pm. WHY? ? ? Whilst I enjoy floodlit T20 (see post above), I too cannot get enthusiastic about 50 over matches played from 2-10. 50:50 is my least favourite format anyway, so maybe I'm biassed, but the only reason for the 2-10 timetable must be the belief that the club will sell more food and drink in the evening. Much better to start at 10:30, and have built in leeway for rain breaks, IMO. The matches are in the school holidays, so it could have been a day out for kids of all ages. Those dependent on public transport to get home will not be impressed - they may even stay away. We shall have to see how it works out. I am underwhelmed by the prospect personally. I didn't bother with yesterday's match at Horsham, but I imagine there was a good crowd for a 10:30 - 6:00 match? Did anyone on here go yesterday?
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Post by deepfineleg on Jul 28, 2014 11:09:16 GMT
We went to Horsham yesterday. Apart from the result it was an enjoyable day's play. Reasonable crowd in.
I assume the 2pm starts are dictated by TV as the 2nd half fills the evening during this football-free period. As suggested, end time is after 10pm - 7pm start t20s finish about 9:50.(The evening 40 over games were scheduled to end at 10:25, I think. There was one rain delayed game last year that ended just before 11pm.)
Btw, didn't the Roses match on saturday start at 2pm?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 18:44:54 GMT
I think it is all about "beverage" consumption , judging by this e-mail from a county club I have just received extolling the delights of 2-10pm day/night cricket:
"A great, full day’s entertainment for the whole family! With start times at 2pm and matches completed under the floodlights the family can enjoy a relaxed day: watching cricket, meeting the players at the autograph session, playing on the outfield in the interval and taking part in some of the organised activities. You can go to work and still make the match in the late afternoon or early evening and see a good quantity of top class cricket. This could be joining up with the family or friends and work colleagues. Nothing better than a long summer evening, sipping a beverage of your choice."
What a lovely, bucolic euphemism for a night on the piss, eh? And you can bring the kids along, too (provided you don't mind them staying out until the midnight hour and someone is still in a fit state to drive them home...)
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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2014 19:11:11 GMT
I think it is all about "beverage" consumption , judging by this e-mail from a county club I have just received extolling the delights of 2-10pm day/night cricket: "A great, full day’s entertainment for the whole family! With start times at 2pm and matches completed under the floodlights the family can enjoy a relaxed day: watching cricket, meeting the players at the autograph session, playing on the outfield in the interval and taking part in some of the organised activities. You can go to work and still make the match in the late afternoon or early evening and see a good quantity of top class cricket. This could be joining up with the family or friends and work colleagues. Nothing better than a long summer evening, sipping a beverage of your choice."What a lovely, bucolic euphemism for a night on the piss, eh? And you can bring the kids along, too (provided you don't mind them staying out until the midnight hour and someone is still in a fit state to drive them home...)No problem - there's plenty of public transport at that time of day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 19:25:49 GMT
I think it is all about "beverage" consumption , judging by this e-mail from a county club I have just received extolling the delights of 2-10pm day/night cricket: "A great, full day’s entertainment for the whole family! With start times at 2pm and matches completed under the floodlights the family can enjoy a relaxed day: watching cricket, meeting the players at the autograph session, playing on the outfield in the interval and taking part in some of the organised activities. You can go to work and still make the match in the late afternoon or early evening and see a good quantity of top class cricket. This could be joining up with the family or friends and work colleagues. Nothing better than a long summer evening, sipping a beverage of your choice."What a lovely, bucolic euphemism for a night on the piss, eh? And you can bring the kids along, too (provided you don't mind them staying out until the midnight hour and someone is still in a fit state to drive them home...) Very harsh. A beverage of one's choice does not automatically translate into a night on the ****. As in : "Do you fancy a bevy?" "That's very civil of you, I'll have a pint of water."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 20:02:43 GMT
Who is to blame? The offerer or the taker? Neither. It's the industrial-capitalist-militarist-ECB conspiracy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 11:20:45 GMT
Interesting that Essex, who always seemed to be one of the most gung-ho counties for using floodlights, are playing their 50 over match at Chelmsford today over the more civilised hours of 10.30 - 6.30.
I wish Sussex would follow suit. There is no evidence that extra spectators drift in at 6pm for the second innings after a 2 pm start. In fact, quite the opposite - a section of the crowd invariably disappears home before it gets dark.
Meanwhile, I see Kent has admitted that their only non-floodlit home T20 on the final day of the group stage last month, which the ECB ordered them to play at 5.30, attracted a bigger crowd (4,000) than their 6 home matches which started at 7pm (average 3,000- 3,500). This mirrors Sussex's experience, when the non-floodlit T20s v Sri Lanka at Hove and Somerset at Arundel , both played in the afternoon, attracted bigger crowds than any of the six Friday night floodlit games.
With any luck the lights will soon be going out all over the shires. Wouldn't it be nice if we didn't see them lit again in our lifetime?
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