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Post by moderator1 on Oct 24, 2017 9:00:21 GMT
In recent months we have seen the repeated failure of this team of talented individuals to sustain success, resulting in continuing Division Dross status and a negligible impact on either of the whiteball competitions. Despite the emergence of a golden seam of fast-bowling talent which other sides would bite their arms off for we have avoided picking Sakande, Garton, Whittingham until it was too late for them to bond as a unit. There are widespread reports that Davis is to leave, though embarrassingly nothing seems to have happened. They were linked with rumours of a dressing-room putsch led by Wright and Nash - and now we are told that Nash has left to "take his career in another direction"
The playing management has been criticised for many months for bizarre tactical mistakes - too few top order batsmen, too many minor all-rounders - and the Sussex family strategy seems to have devolved into one of "if you've ever played second team cricket you can be sure of being called a coach of some description". Meanwhile the one appointment that many thought would turn the tide, hiring Rob Andrew as CEO, seems not to have resulted in anything other than further embarrassment and lack of communication. Members feel increasingly isolated and removed from decisions made supposedly in their interest, a state of affairs exacerbated by the changes to the fixture list. At a time when we need strong management and dialogue, do we believe the current management team, from Board through to playing management is fit for purpose?
This poll is open until 31 October.
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Post by joe on Oct 24, 2017 9:20:19 GMT
You make some very valid points Mod but I think it’s too early to make an informed decision on Rob Andrew. He only joined the club 10 months ago and would have used that time to observe and hopefully consolidate a plan.
What is obvious is that Davis is not fit for purpose and hopefully has already gone. Many of the bizarre on-field decisions and team selections would have been down to him.
The Chris Nash news is a little more alarming but until we know the reason for his leaving we can’t make a judgment on that either.
The PR and marketing side of the club need a complete overhaul.
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Post by flashblade on Oct 24, 2017 9:21:05 GMT
Come on, folks - please support this poll. It only needs you to tick a box!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 24, 2017 11:18:10 GMT
On this delicate subject I remain loyal to Rob Andrew. His first season as CEO was always going to be "a wait and watch" as he becomes used to the way the club operate both on and off-the-field. The changes we are now seeing, perhaps, is the beginning of him flexing his muscles. We cannot expect miracles and further surprising developments may occur before the tide turns.
Sadly, the club could be viewed a bit like an oil tanker, where the decline has been going on for quite some years and now may take further time to turn around. The changing of Head Coach is the starting point, although sadly, this comes too late for Chris Nash.
I do believe Andrew is the right man to take the club forward. Let us see who is appointed as our new Head Coach. This could be another sign of our CEO's intentions.
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chrisc
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Post by chrisc on Oct 24, 2017 12:43:37 GMT
It looks like I'm with the minority voting yes! In truth this isn't because I think it is perfect, far from it, but rather because I veer more towards the positive than the negative, whilst agreeing there is scope for improvement - there always is! I agree strongly with Joe and softandfluffy about Rob Andrew and I'm optimistic things will be on the up. Whilst we didn't achieve anything this season we weren't that far away and it certainly wasn't disastrous as some seem to be painting it. The development of the young players is very encouraging and, for example, emphasises the good work being done by our bowling coach.
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Post by philh on Oct 24, 2017 16:25:50 GMT
I think it’s too early to say. If we put together a new young side with potential, greater things are possible. Let’s at least judge when we see what team takes the field in April.
The end of the Joyce and Magoffin era had to come. The departure of Nash is sooner than we might have expected but there’s some good talent coming through even if the batting is very much Div 2 status as it stands. But, it is October and it’s six months before we play cricket again.
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Post by liquidskin on Oct 24, 2017 16:38:38 GMT
Stupid question. No, it is not. I don't count Andrew in though, looks like he's doing some much needed shaking.
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Post by irishexile on Oct 24, 2017 20:08:46 GMT
In many ways, the cricket season starts in October, with six months of planning and preparation before heading into battle in April. On that basis, the cricket side of the business seems to be going backwards rather than forwards - with one of those six months of preparation already gone. Assuming Mark Davis is leaving, it'll be a couple of weeks to advertise for a successor, then a round or two of interviews, potential notice period to be served for the incumbent. There's a genuine chance a new head coach won't be in situ until mid-January, which gives him three months at most before pre-season.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 27, 2017 11:43:45 GMT
Losing Magoffin and Nash is not a good start We need an injection of real quality, and the more we languish amongst the also rans, the harder it will be to attract that quality It’s not impossible, we were in a lot more of a mess when we signed Chris Adams. That’s what we need now, an inspirational signing, who can lead from the front To entice such a player, you have to have the will to do that For me, the recent management structure lacks that ambition
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Post by smithers2 on Oct 27, 2017 17:05:39 GMT
As far as the First Team Coaching position is concerned we are now at the stage which we should have been at a whole two years ago, in other words preparing to advertise the position externally in order that all-comers could apply, rather than some behind closed doors inside arrangement for an internal appointment to be made albeit a woefully inadequate and inappropriate one as the past two seasons have shown. If Mark Davis wanted to throw his hat into the ring at that point he would have no doubt been allowed to do so and compared on a 'level cricket pitch' along with any other outside applicants!
I remain bemused how Mr Toumazi could have even dreamed that he was acting in the best interests of the club by presiding over this stunt. Perhaps his rather sudden and short-lived "retirement" (which lasted all of five months) was early evidence that he had made a rather tumultuous error in this regard. I for one lost all respect for Zac following what appears with hindsight to have been a rather cowardly departure!
In any case we are now where we are and in my opinion we have a better qualified CEO in situ and hopefully within a short period of time will have the caliber of first team coach which we should have had for the past two seasons.
I would like to add that the vision of building for the future using the current young emerging players is a sensible one but success will not arrive overnight.
We as supporters now need to get behind the new management team safe in the knowledge that there will be no more panic big money signings from other county's cast offs or big name International players who are brought in for 6 games here or 10 games there and who clearly have no interest in Sussex CCC whatsoever (other than receiving the ill-deserved pay cheques).
Essex ccc demonstrated this year what can be done by nurturing home-grown players and there is no reason whatsoever why we at Sussex cannot successfully follow this now tried and tested model, and moreover Sussex CCC has an advantage here because we have got better supporters (or at least we are when we get behind the club as one and stop whingeing!) I voted "YES" to the above by the way.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 27, 2017 17:23:31 GMT
Essex did it by combining locally produced young players, long serving stalwarts, shrewd signings and quality overseas professionals No county, outside of perhaps Yorkshire, could hope to field a successful locally produced team Sussex have done OK, as far as producing their own players are concerned, it’s their lacklustre recruitment that’s been the problem
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Post by moderator1 on Oct 31, 2017 7:56:49 GMT
Thanks to all contributing to the poll and the discussion, one of the best we have had on this forum. The pattern of votes cast changed as the drama unfolded, and in the end we have not a consensus but a range of attitudes, reflected by the scores: 62% think the management team is not working well, 28% feel it is, and 10% can't decide. That underlines the complexity of the issues, that there is not a simple quick fix in the departure of A or the appointment of B to a post. Discussions here and in other threads have often polarised over the question of which is better, to build a team from scratch with locally-based players or to make successful signings of imported players who have an immediate effect. Perhaps a third way is to have a structure and a corporate culture that is not ideologically driven but does have a sound strategy to achieve the best results for the club and its supporters. If that is the kind of thing that Andrew is talking about when he says "“We are continuing to work on our four-year strategic plan for the wider organisation ....A major part of that strategy will be the on-going development of home-grown Sussex players by our Performance Department" then that could make sense. There is an opportunity here for Sussex to do something different that will set them apart from the "Test Match Grounds V the smaller counties" binary thinking which would make the club relevant in an age far removed from the certainties of the county treadmill grind so many of us grew up with.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Oct 31, 2017 8:58:15 GMT
hhs,
A major part of that strategy will be the on-going development of home-grown Sussex players by our Performance Department...
It is quite clear that a major part of this 4 year strategy is focusing on youth and bringing them through. Sussex have an abundance of riches and why it is so important to find a Coach that can not only enhance that talent but blossom their abilities and unite them into a county winning side. Eventually, Surrey were able to achieve this.
Changing the culture is another important aspect as Matt Prior pointed out recently. This is more about transforming the mindset of the squad and helping them relearn how to win. That, perhaps, is the biggest quality the club have lost in recent years.
Also, I would not be surprised, up the road, if Keith Greenfield is replaced as Cricket Director. I read last night there are rumours of Andy Flower being approached, but I find that hard to believe.
I remain loyal to Rob Andrew because I believe he is very ambitious for Sussex and wishes to turn the ailing oil tanker around. But, this may take time. Logic suggests one or two past Sussex 'greats' could be asked to help out as this may speed up the process. In what capacity, I am not sure.
I am certain the release of Mark Davis is just the start to some exciting and positive changes ahead.
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