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Post by sharkey07 on Dec 16, 2021 11:01:17 GMT
The Sussex management have destroyed my last remaining goodwill- its a disgraceful way to treat a great servant- they allow him to be released ? Just so we can be controlled by an idiot coach who has no idea (Ian Salisbury) and Rob Andrew -a team of teenagers and a supposed Australian skipper (Travis Head) who wont even be around this season now he is playing test cricket- a complete joke of a county club- time for a bloody revolution- Salisbury is an arrogant man who doesnt like any scrutiny- an example being how he gets so defensive when Adrian Harms even asks him a question about the players performances. He is out of his depth but thats they way Andrew & Greenfield like it- a patsy coach who does what hes told. Now we have lost a great servant who actually scores runs - so we now have another player needed to be replaced - alongside a skipper who will hardly even be here - its a joke !! Please can a revolution occur and overthrow these idiots in charge - Just need Ben to join Hampshire to make my year ....(not)
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Post by lovelyboy on Dec 16, 2021 11:37:42 GMT
Where’s Andyb gone from this board? He called all this ages ago and then got hounded off it! (Would be interested to know if he still supports Grubby)
As for the club, what a total disgrace. We are a laughing stock
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Ben Brown
Dec 16, 2021 11:59:19 GMT
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Post by sponge on Dec 16, 2021 11:59:19 GMT
This news is disappointing; however it shouldn't come as any suprise after the Q&A session. Clearly Brown and the Sussex Mgmt couldn't agree on a way forward to keep Brown at the Club. Without knowing the facts from both sides, I wouldn't automatically blame the Mgmt or Brown. Such a shame though; as I saw Brown as a perfect player mentor for the young side over the next 5 years.
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Post by philh on Dec 16, 2021 12:32:06 GMT
I think Ben Brown is a big loss and will be hard to replace; he is a solid County Championship player. I'm excited to see how the young players progress this year and won't make rash statements until we know who is coming in, but there are a lot of gaps to fill even with a hopefully improving young side. The team comprised of the many departees did not do well in the CC (did we finish 4th or 5th in Div 2 in 2019?). Maybe, a more solid County Championship team without players disappearing into the England fold randomly will in the long term bring more stability. Things will slowly unfold, but, I can't help thinking that Ben is a big loss; arguably, bigger than most of the others departing in the last 2-3 years.
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Post by coverpoint on Dec 16, 2021 22:27:44 GMT
Just the latest bizarre management decision in a long line of bizarre management decisions. Thankfully Bob Warren cannot restand for the Committee as he is too old. I don't think it will be much longer before there is an attempt to overthrow the current committee and get rid of certain people running the club as we are in a complete mess. I think Andrew and Greenfield days at Sussex are numbered.
I am utterly appalled at the way Ben Brown has been treated by the club. I wish Brown every success if he does indeed as expected sign for Hampshire. He is the third key player to leave the club after Jordan and Salt and for me he is by far the biggest loss (as we never saw Jordan and Salt outside T20).
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Post by hovefella on Dec 17, 2021 9:01:20 GMT
I have little inside knowledge of what is happening inside the club. But I am more optimistic about the future than many of you are. I have no idea why Brown is leaving. It has been said on here that Sussex have treated him disgracefully by allowing him to leave two years before his contract expires. I don't understand the logic of that. My father in law worked for the same company all his life. He now says that he regrets that and wishes he had widened his experience by working elsewhere. Maybe Brown is unhappy with the way the club is being handled right now. Or maybe he wants to widen his experience by playing for a top club while still at the top of his game. I remain hopeful for the future of this great club.
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Post by grandavefan on Dec 17, 2021 10:01:25 GMT
Brown leaving, not good. I understand Brown (and others) has been disappointed with the management (or lack of) style of Salisbury. Created a team of boys! They sign Ward and talk him up. IMO he's had enough chances, just filling a space, sorry Ward is not good enough for any of the teams. Didn't show any ability to get a score or score quickly. Seem to want a side full of inexperienced callow young men, well they are succeeding. Need some experience in the team, none about that I can see. Can't see Robinson or Archer hanging around with this lot. Predict they'll be gone sooner rather than later. T20, 3 overseas players, only 2 can play. How are the coaches going to tell one of them 'you're dropped'? As an aside, how come our new opening bowler is in Australia on TMS and not putting in the hard yards in Hove? Different rules because he's a 'star' albeit dimming these days?
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Post by markcol92 on Dec 17, 2021 10:27:56 GMT
Brown leaving, not good. I understand Brown (and others) has been disappointed with the management (or lack of) style of Salisbury. Created a team of boys! They sign Ward and talk him up. IMO he's had enough chances, just filling a space, sorry Ward is not good enough for any of the teams. Didn't show any ability to get a score or score quickly. Seem to want a side full of inexperienced callow young men, well they are succeeding. Need some experience in the team, none about that I can see. Can't see Robinson or Archer hanging around with this lot. Predict they'll be gone sooner rather than later. T20, 3 overseas players, only 2 can play. How are the coaches going to tell one of them 'you're dropped'? As an aside, how come our new opening bowler is in Australia on TMS and not putting in the hard yards in Hove? Different rules because he's a 'star' albeit dimming these days? Both Rizwan and Head have international tours in June now so I don't think we'll have the luxury of all 3 of them being around at the same time
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Post by lovelyboy on Dec 17, 2021 11:03:14 GMT
I have little inside knowledge of what is happening inside the club. But I am more optimistic about the future than many of you are. I have no idea why Brown is leaving. It has been said on here that Sussex have treated him disgracefully by allowing him to leave two years before his contract expires. I don't understand the logic of that. My father in law worked for the same company all his life. He now says that he regrets that and wishes he had widened his experience by working elsewhere. Maybe Brown is unhappy with the way the club is being handled right now. Or maybe he wants to widen his experience by playing for a top club while still at the top of his game. I remain hopeful for the future of this great club. Hi Hovefella, what’s the reason for the optimism? Not having a dig I’m genuinely interested as I wish I shared it
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Dec 17, 2021 12:47:33 GMT
I have little inside knowledge of what is happening inside the club. But I am more optimistic about the future than many of you are. I have no idea why Brown is leaving. It has been said on here that Sussex have treated him disgracefully by allowing him to leave two years before his contract expires. I don't understand the logic of that. My father in law worked for the same company all his life. He now says that he regrets that and wishes he had widened his experience by working elsewhere. Maybe Brown is unhappy with the way the club is being handled right now. Or maybe he wants to widen his experience by playing for a top club while still at the top of his game. I remain hopeful for the future of this great club. No, people aren't saying he's been treated disgracefully becasue the club have allowed him to leave two years before his contract expires. He's been allowed to leave BECAUSE he's been treated badly.
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Post by flashblade on Dec 17, 2021 13:13:21 GMT
I have little inside knowledge of what is happening inside the club. But I am more optimistic about the future than many of you are. I have no idea why Brown is leaving. It has been said on here that Sussex have treated him disgracefully by allowing him to leave two years before his contract expires. I don't understand the logic of that. My father in law worked for the same company all his life. He now says that he regrets that and wishes he had widened his experience by working elsewhere. Maybe Brown is unhappy with the way the club is being handled right now. Or maybe he wants to widen his experience by playing for a top club while still at the top of his game. I remain hopeful for the future of this great club. No, people aren't saying he's been treated disgracefully becasue the club have allowed him to leave two years before his contract expires. He's been allowed to leave BECAUSE he's been treated badly. Spot on, AM.
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Post by enoughisenough on Dec 17, 2021 13:41:46 GMT
And to think that Matt Prior was derided by Bob Warren for talking out about the mismanagement of the club. It's pretty clear that Prior was right on the money. The current management are driving this great club of ours into the ground. The way they have treated Ben Brown is truly shocking - how to lose an extremely talented and loyal player in one easy lesson. I truly despair of the misconceived decision making that passes for management under the current regime - the sooner they are swept away the better. As has been pointed out here previously, at the recent forum Salisbury was relying on the form of words "Ben is contracted to the club for another two years" without once saying that he was on board with the direction chosen by the management and that he was happy to stay. Briggs, Wells, Salt, Jordan and now Brown. That's almost half of what was a pretty decent CC team, all gone in 15 months under this management.
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Post by philh on Dec 17, 2021 15:37:05 GMT
And to think that Matt Prior was derided by Bob Warren for talking out about the mismanagement of the club. It's pretty clear that Prior was right on the money. The current management are driving this great club of ours into the ground. The way they have treated Ben Brown is truly shocking - how to lose an extremely talented and loyal player in one easy lesson. I truly despair of the misconceived decision making that passes for management under the current regime - the sooner they are swept away the better. As has been pointed out here previously, at the recent forum Salisbury was relying on the form of words "Ben is contracted to the club for another two years" without once saying that he was on board with the direction chosen by the management and that he was happy to stay. Briggs, Wells, Salt, Jordan and now Brown. That's almost half of what was a pretty decent CC team, all gone in 15 months under this management. I agree with a lot of what you say but it was only a pretty decent CC team on paper. It got relegated and couldn’t get close to climbing back out of Division 2. Arguably, Magoffin’s old age and Luke Wright’s disappearance from the CC were the big downers. The team underperformed in CC, particularly Briggs and Wells. Jordan has hardly been available so it’s better that he has gone, Salt not playing any CC last year was strange. Ben Brown going is very disappointing, particularly as he could be a good (as he proved) no.3 as non-captain/non-wk. We’re in transition, which for any business is painful. Whether it turns out well or badly is open to question. I have many doubts but can see positives - a clear out was needed.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Dec 17, 2021 16:37:16 GMT
The relegation team of 2015 didn't all of those players, only Wells and Brown. A clearout? Come on, we're just haemorrhaging players and becoming weaker and weaker, let's not in anyway defend the mass exodus.
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Ben Brown
Dec 17, 2021 18:39:44 GMT
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Post by philh on Dec 17, 2021 18:39:44 GMT
The relegation team of 2015 didn't all of those players, only Wells and Brown. A clearout? Come on, we're just haemorrhaging players and becoming weaker and weaker, let's not in anyway defend the mass exodus. I assume you’re referring to my post. I’m hardly defending it. Brown going is a big loss and Salt’s omission from the CC was strange. As for Wells, Finch and Briggs, they underperformed in the CC generally. Jordan has hardly been available. Like Wright got ditched from CC too soon. There are probably others I missed but I do believe the likes of Haines and Orr offer hope. Others looking promising but some will fail to make the grade probably.
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