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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 13:48:09 GMT
Still in the tropics but no gulf at all - watching hobart hurricanes v cape cobras on HD in hotel room and following Sussex message board via smart phone on a Sri Lankan beach. The extent to which Marshall McLuhan's global village has become a digital reality is frightening. We might as well be in Keighley as Kalatura. Could do with a bit more of a cultural gulf, tbh...when abroad feels so much like home much of the magic of travel evaporates.
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Post by mentor on Sept 21, 2014 21:44:27 GMT
I do agree HHS that the slow bowling in the 1st division is disappointing, and of course that famine of decent spinners is a subject of national cricket debate. And of course it doesn't help that in the 50 over game with its new rules, a spinner will never bowl with a ball older than 24 overs, so containment rather than threat is what is the requirement.
It is a shame if such an entertaining piece of cricket dies out. Certainly there have been more batsmen twirled out in Division two, mainly from an Essex spinner and a Worcestershire one... although the latter may have not been so successful if he had bowled legally. State of the pitch; poorer batsmen, maybe... or maybe just that they are gems in an otherwise cheap setting.
But cricket without twirlers isn't as beautiful.
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Post by grandavefan on Sept 22, 2014 8:33:10 GMT
Overboard on Zaidi, again! One forgets his greater opportunities? Beer gets 1 game? Lets not forget him, his 1 day performances on largely flat batting wickets was good, economical and wickets taken, as well as runs made. I would have liked him to have seen him bowled on the dry wickets in August & September. Just to see.
I read an article in a sunday paper about Rashid and Yorks. Sussex management would do well to read it. The ethos of why they won the championship.
I'm sure the usual will disagree with my views but as mentor wrote, cricket without twirlers isn't as beautiful. From my blinkered position a large fault for this are the coaches and groundsmen. Such poor cricket wickets are produced. Until this is addressed it will not improve, much.
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 22, 2014 10:10:40 GMT
Still in the tropics but no gulf at all - watching hobart hurricanes v cape cobras on HD in hotel room and following Sussex message board via smart phone on a Sri Lankan beach. The extent to which Marshall McLuhan's global village has become a digital reality is frightening. We might as well be in Keighley as Kalatura. Could do with a bit more of a cultural gulf, tbh...when abroad feels so much like home much of the magic of travel evaporates. All sounds very impressive, but I still can't get a good wi fi signal when I'm sitting in the Spen Cama watching the play! Should Sussex relocate to Keighley, or Kalatura, or Kangarooville?
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Post by fraudster on Sept 22, 2014 17:01:47 GMT
Most of these boys would rather chat about mundane twaddle like above than an important issue like that Grandavefan. Probably why their post count is so high.
Beer should be playing in tomorrow's game, either with Zaidi or without, but he should be playing. I don't know if Wantage Road is still the turner that it was but so what - we'd seal third or possibly second if we played all our seconds against this lot, who are missing their best player it seems.
Beer should leave, it's the only way he can attempt to forge a proper career. There'd be a few takers for his one-day skills alone but he'd also get the shot he deserves in the Champ too. Robbo clearly dosen't rate him, that's why a guy who's done much worse gets all the chances in the world. That and because he was a signing, a punt, that Robbo is desperate to see work, for his own reputation.
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Post by lovelyboy on Sept 22, 2014 17:30:20 GMT
Most of these boys would rather chat about mundane twaddle like above than an important issue like that Grandavefan. Probably why their post count is so high. Beer should be playing in tomorrow's game, either with Zaidi or without, but he should be playing. I don't know if Wantage Road is still the turner that it was but so what - we'd seal third or possibly second if we played all our seconds against this lot, who are missing their best player it seems. Beer should leave, it's the only way he can attempt to forge a proper career. There'd be a few takers for his one-day skills alone but he'd also get the shot he deserves in the Champ too. Robbo clearly dosen't rate him, that's why a guy who's done much worse gets all the chances in the world. That and because he was a signing, a punt, that Robbo is desperate to see work, for his own reputation. I'm a big Beero fan so have a lot of sympathy for this view, however to say that Zman has done a lot worse than Will is clearly not true.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 22, 2014 17:35:06 GMT
Well with no news of a new contract, Beer, and Wells for that matter, could indeed be leaving. It would be pretty foolhardy of Sussex if they don't offer them new terms, Beer is our best English qualified one day bowler, and Wells is only one of two opening bats that we have in the squad. Joyce could open I suppose, but he prefers three or four, so I'd rather leave him where he is. If he gets a new contract offer, and decides to stay, I'm not as anxious as some about his lack of opportunities. He's one of the first names on the team sheet for the one day games and would surely get more opportunities if we could find a seam bowling all rounder. That might have to wait until Magoffin qualifies as a non overseas.
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Post by flashblade on Sept 22, 2014 17:52:45 GMT
Well with no news of a new contract, Beer, and Wells for that matter, could indeed be leaving. It would be pretty foolhardy of Sussex if they don't offer them new terms, Beer is our best English qualified one day bowler, and Wells is only one of two opening bats that we have in the squad. Joyce could open I suppose, but he prefers three or four, so I'd rather leave him where he is. If he gets a new contract offer, and decides to stay, I'm not as anxious as some about his lack of opportunities. He's one of the first names on the team sheet for the one day games and would surely get more opportunities if we could find a seam bowling all rounder. That might have to wait until Magoffin qualifies as a non overseas. I think it's a bit early for contract news. IIRC, Sussex usually wait until the season has finished.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 22, 2014 17:59:03 GMT
Well with no news of a new contract, Beer, and Wells for that matter, could indeed be leaving. It would be pretty foolhardy of Sussex if they don't offer them new terms, Beer is our best English qualified one day bowler, and Wells is only one of two opening bats that we have in the squad. Joyce could open I suppose, but he prefers three or four, so I'd rather leave him where he is. If he gets a new contract offer, and decides to stay, I'm not as anxious as some about his lack of opportunities. He's one of the first names on the team sheet for the one day games and would surely get more opportunities if we could find a seam bowling all rounder. That might have to wait until Magoffin qualifies as a non overseas. I think it's a bit early for contract news. IIRC, Sussex usually wait until the season has finished. Not normally the case with the younger players is it? Anyway, I hope you're right and it's nothing to be concerned about. Beer and Wells are key members of the squad, and will play an important part in our resurgence.
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Post by hhsussex on Sept 22, 2014 18:05:37 GMT
Well with no news of a new contract, Beer, and Wells for that matter, could indeed be leaving. It would be pretty foolhardy of Sussex if they don't offer them new terms, Beer is our best English qualified one day bowler, and Wells is only one of two opening bats that we have in the squad. Joyce could open I suppose, but he prefers three or four, so I'd rather leave him where he is. If he gets a new contract offer, and decides to stay, I'm not as anxious as some about his lack of opportunities. He's one of the first names on the team sheet for the one day games and would surely get more opportunities if we could find a seam bowling all rounder. That might have to wait until Magoffin qualifies as a non overseas. I think it's a bit early for contract news. IIRC, Sussex usually wait until the season has finished. Yes indeed, it isn't on the agenda. Its the clubs that have had the big failings this season, the relegated sides and those just missing out on the big prizes that are announcing all their changes and having clear-outs. I could be tempted to act as Devil's Advocate though,and ask, why not let Beer and Wells go? Why not accept that Beer, for all of his limited, minor success in T20 hasn't broken through into Championship cricket, and clearly isn't going to persuade the current coach to pick him at this stage. Why not release him and look for someone else who could be expected to build a place in all three formats;perhaps Azeem Rafiq, a Yorkshire T20 specialist and one who was a Championship regular until he lost his bowling might rebuild his action and his appetite for the game with a move to Sussex? And what of Wells? A golden boy for 4 years or so, without really moving on from that promising status of 800/900 runs at around 30. Perhaps he's unhappy at not getting a long go at the limited-overs game, but many might feel that he's had too long a go at the red ball game without convincingly making the case for himself as a dominating player, capable of deciding a game either by attacking or by accumulating staunchly while others build up the really big scores. Is there a case for giving Machan a new chance at the head of the order, now that Cachopa has laid his claim to 4, and letting him go elsewhere to pursue his dreams?
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Post by jonboy on Sept 22, 2014 18:18:38 GMT
I think it's a bit early for contract news. IIRC, Sussex usually wait until the season has finished. Yes indeed, it isn't on the agenda. Its the clubs that have had the big failings this season, the relegated sides and those just missing out on the big prizes that are announcing all their changes and having clear-outs. I could be tempted to act as Devil's Advocate though,and ask, why not let Beer and Wells go? Why not accept that Beer, for all of his limited, minor success in T20 hasn't broken through into Championship cricket, and clearly isn't going to persuade the current coach to pick him at this stage. Why not release him and look for someone else who could be expected to build a place in all three formats;perhaps Azeem Rafiq, a Yorkshire T20 specialist and one who was a Championship regular until he lost his bowling might rebuild his action and his appetite for the game with a move to Sussex? And what of Wells? A golden boy for 4 years or so, without really moving on from that promising status of 800/900 runs at around 30. Perhaps he's unhappy at not getting a long go at the limited-overs game, but many might feel that he's had too long a go at the red ball game without convincingly making the case for himself as a dominating player, capable of deciding a game either by attacking or by accumulating staunchly while others build up the really big scores. Is there a case for giving Machan a new chance at the head of the order, now that Cachopa has laid his claim to 4, and letting him go elsewhere to pursue his dreams? Well I know you're only playing devils advocate but, it could be argued that our one day campaign was a big failing. If we are looking to improve our one day potential, then surely holding onto Beer is a must. His all round performances in a disappointing Sussex campaign, were one of the few positives. The case for Wells is equally compelling. We are not currently blessed with many opening bats, 2 in fact, Wells and Nash. Only recently has Machan opened for the seconds, and although I've long been championing for him to be used as an opener, especially in one day cricket, Robbo I think, sees him as a hard hitting middle order batsman. It will be tough enough trying to find our main priority, a quality seamer, without having to find a spinner and an opening bat.
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Post by jonboy on Sept 22, 2014 19:41:34 GMT
I notice Max Waller has been offered, and will sign, a new contract with Somerset. His situation is almost identical to Will's, 26 years old, a leg spinner with limited opportunities in the championship, but an integral part of his sides one day plans. Hopefully Will can fulfil his dreams at Hove.
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Post by fraudster on Sept 22, 2014 20:30:29 GMT
Most of these boys would rather chat about mundane twaddle like above than an important issue like that Grandavefan. Probably why their post count is so high. Beer should be playing in tomorrow's game, either with Zaidi or without, but he should be playing. I don't know if Wantage Road is still the turner that it was but so what - we'd seal third or possibly second if we played all our seconds against this lot, who are missing their best player it seems. Beer should leave, it's the only way he can attempt to forge a proper career. There'd be a few takers for his one-day skills alone but he'd also get the shot he deserves in the Champ too. Robbo clearly dosen't rate him, that's why a guy who's done much worse gets all the chances in the world. That and because he was a signing, a punt, that Robbo is desperate to see work, for his own reputation. I'm a big Beero fan so have a lot of sympathy for this view, however to say that Zman has done a lot worse than Will is clearly not true. It is true. Up until two games or so ago when Zaidi was given another go he'd done much worse than Beer had, on several occasions in Beer's case, over the course of a few seasons. Beer has never done as badly as Zaidi had at the start of the season and has been dropped several times after doing well, come back several times and done alright, and been dropped again. Robbo says he lacks some confidence I think, yeah any idea why Robbo. In fairness Zaidi has done well in these last two games but before that he hadn't warrented these chances ahead of Beer.
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Post by freddy838 on Sept 22, 2014 20:35:24 GMT
Wells would be a big loss for us. He had a quiet season this year but he will come back. I'm sure he will sign on. Beer is a slightly more concerning one, I wish Robbo had given him the nod in the last few championship games, as well as Zaidi played.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 4:42:50 GMT
"can't get a good wi fi signal when I'm sitting in the Spen Cama"
To be fair hh there is a decent WiFi signal all over the ground,although it is stronger in some parts than others and can drop ocassionally.There was also free WiFi at arundel this year.
The WiFi is free for all to use at Hove without a password, which I have also found to be the case at every county ground I have visited over the last two seasons, with the exception of Canterbury, where payment of 15 or 25 pounds at the gate does not include access to Kent's WiFi, which is jealously guarded by a password which is not permitted to be divulged to members of the general public, although I am told it is offered to corporate guests.
Perhaps they keep the password secret to stop their members spreading nasty internet rumours about tredwell's request to leave!
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