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Post by tiptoes on Jul 21, 2020 4:34:51 GMT
1 Stokes
2 Botham
3 Flintoff
4 Greig (not Ian)
5 Bailey
6 Woakes
7 Illingworth
8 White
9 Moheen Ali
10 Lewis
And a few years ago Moheen was probably higher in the pecking order than Stokes.
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 21, 2020 5:06:52 GMT
And the 10 worst, in no order
Cowdrey
Irani
Capel
Ian Grieg
Pringle
Adam Hollioake
Ealham
Need help on the other 3
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 25, 2020 9:30:00 GMT
Rikki Clarke? You can make up the other two from your best list, like White, presuming that's Craig? Woakes doesn't qualify and who's Bailey? Botham's top of the pile, Lewis was better than 10 and Pringle don't qualify either. Best one never to play - RMJ?
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 26, 2020 11:17:22 GMT
Rikki Clarke? You can make up the other two from your best list, like White, presuming that's Craig? Woakes doesn't qualify and who's Bailey? Botham's top of the pile, Lewis was better than 10 and Pringle don't qualify either. Best one never to play - RMJ? Rikki Clarke's Test statistics are quite favourable, admittedly one or maybe both were against Bangladesh. Woakes qualifies on the basis of averaging 26 with the bat and a test 100, not a dissimilar allrounder to Irfan Pathan. You never heard of Trevor Bailey...strewth, his batting made Geoff Boycott look cavalier. Craig White was abysmal in his first spell but was the fastest in the quartette of Cork, Gough and Caddick when he was reselected, scored a test century coming in at no6. Botham was a player of 2 halves, taking his first 200 wickets at 21 and averaging 37 with the bat but against the West Indies he was dire. Pretty ordinary overall stats averaging 33 with the bat and 28 with the ball. Very good slip fielder and a complete w***** as I know from personal experience. His ignorance of cricket when he was on QoS tells you how much interest he took in the game. |
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Post by gmdf on Jul 26, 2020 12:18:42 GMT
And the 10 worst, in no order Cowdrey Irani Capel Ian Grieg Pringle Adam Hollioake Ealham Need help on the other 3 Ealham - worst? That's unfair - bowling average of 28, batting average of 21. |
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 26, 2020 12:34:55 GMT
And the 10 worst, in no order Cowdrey Irani Capel Ian Grieg Pringle Adam Hollioake Ealham Need help on the other 3 Ealham - worst? That's unfair - bowling average of 28, batting average of 21. Tis a bit, I was struggling for numbers. Ben Hollioake seemed the other option but seeing his career was tragically cut short at such a young age and having posted his brother on the wall of shame I omitted him. |
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 27, 2020 11:00:25 GMT
Botham had better thing to do when playing the Windies, like give Richards neck massages. 33 & 28 overall is brilliant. Anderson & Broad are averaging about 28. What's Stokes' two? 35 & 34? That's a guess.
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 28, 2020 18:49:23 GMT
I was pondering whether there was a better father/son cricketing pair than Brian Broad and son Stuart, realising that Peter and Sean Pollock were the closest, if only Uncle Graeme was Sean's father then they would usurp the Broads, but unfortunately he's not.
And my mind got wondering to other cricketing dynasties like the Headley's, Parks's and Tremlett's, 3 generations there, and then it hit me like an express train! One of England's worst all rounders, none other than the late, but sadly not great...Maurice Tremlett!!
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Post by philh on Jul 29, 2020 13:43:13 GMT
I was pondering whether there was a better father/son cricketing pair than Brian Broad and son Stuart, realising that Peter and Sean Pollock were the closest, if only Uncle Graeme was Sean's father then they would usurp the Broads, but unfortunately he's not. And my mind got wondering to other cricketing dynasties like the Headley's, Parks's and Tremlett's, 3 generations there, and then it hit me like an express train! One of England's worst all rounders, none other than the late, but sadly not great...Maurice Tremlett!! I think you mean Chris Broad, tiptoes, but Hanif Mohammed and Shoaib Mohammad had fairly impressive Test averages. |
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 29, 2020 15:27:07 GMT
I was pondering whether there was a better father/son cricketing pair than Brian Broad and son Stuart, realising that Peter and Sean Pollock were the closest, if only Uncle Graeme was Sean's father then they would usurp the Broads, but unfortunately he's not. And my mind got wondering to other cricketing dynasties like the Headley's, Parks's and Tremlett's, 3 generations there, and then it hit me like an express train! One of England's worst all rounders, none other than the late, but sadly not great...Maurice Tremlett!! I think you mean Chris Broad, tiptoes , but Hanif Mohammed and Shoaib Mohammad had fairly impressive Test averages. His first name is Brian. Point taken re Hanif/Shoaib. |
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Post by tiptoes on Jul 29, 2020 15:39:03 GMT
The former England and Gloucestershire WK was Robert Russell, not Jack! Eric Russell (no relation) wasn't known as Jack.
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Post by philh on Jul 30, 2020 5:45:30 GMT
I think you mean Chris Broad, tiptoes , but Hanif Mohammed and Shoaib Mohammad had fairly impressive Test averages. His first name is Brian. Point taken re Hanif/Shoaib. You are, of course, right, tiptoes. Another Brian who suffered from Monty Python, I assume. |
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 31, 2020 15:09:58 GMT
He was cool. Brian ain't cool, so he chose Chris. My name is Fazer Bullet, that's pretty cool but I don't like cool so I ask people to call me Nigel Smith.
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Post by tiptoes on Aug 4, 2020 17:42:19 GMT
There used to be a WI cricketer in the 70s called Larry Gomes, who wasn't particularly good, but always scored a pile against England and like Kallicharan and Kanhai didn't really look West Indian.
His initials were H A and I always wondered how you could arrive at Larry, as per commentators Laker and Benaud terminology, when Larry is a name shortened from Lawrence or Laurence, and why you would choose to adopt such a camp title (Hi, my name is Larry) also added to the puzzle. Harry, rather than Larry, seemed to be the obvious construct. Back then no internet so no way of knowing what H or A represented.
I have now discovered his given names are Hilary Angelo, so a bit of a cop out to choose Larry since it's such a weak connection. Tony Benn's son isn't known as Larry and if Gomes was embarrassed by Hilary, Harry would have been a closer tie, not least because Harry begins with the same letter as his given name. Shame on the commentators for giving credence to the false prospectus presented by Hilary Gomes.
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 5, 2020 10:11:02 GMT
There used to be a WI cricketer in the 70s called Larry Gomes, who wasn't particularly good, but always scored a pile against England and like Kallicharan and Kanhai didn't really look West Indian. His initials were H A and I always wondered how you could arrive at Larry, as per commentators Laker and Benaud terminology, when Larry is a name shortened from Lawrence or Laurence, and why you would choose to adopt such a camp title (Hi, my name is Larry) also added to the puzzle. Harry, rather than Larry, seemed to be the obvious construct. Back then no internet so no way of knowing what H or A represented. I have now discovered his given names are Hilary Angelo, so a bit of a cop out to choose Larry since it's such a weak connection. Tony Benn's son isn't known as Larry and if Gomes was embarrassed by Hilary, Harry would have been a closer tie, not least because Harry begins with the same letter as his given name. Shame on the commentators for giving credence to the false prospectus presented by Hilary Gomes. Eh? Harry you think? I'm gonna stand up for Hi(lary) here - Hilary, Lary, Larry. Much closer than Harry, is Larry. That rhymed Tiptoes and you know it did, admit it. |
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