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Post by squarepoint on Aug 13, 2023 13:48:28 GMT
FHP and Hunt seem to be thriving on the responsibility of opening the bowling. Reckon this could be a tight finish.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 13, 2023 13:57:58 GMT
FHP and Hunt seem to be thriving on the responsibility of opening the bowling. Reckon this could be a tight finish. Fynn and Coles turned things round and he and Hunt are bowling OK. Early days but we are not yet bring slaughtered.
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Post by devonexile on Aug 13, 2023 14:57:41 GMT
FHP and Hunt seem to be thriving on the responsibility of opening the bowling. Reckon this could be a tight finish. Fynn and Coles turned things round and he and Hunt are bowling OK. Early days but we are not yet bring slaughtered. 31-1 after 8.4 overs. Good solid start by Hunt and Hudson-Prentice. Notwithstanding we could have had Ingram for 3 if Ward had held the catch. A couple of boundaries at the end of Hunt's spell, a loose over from Carson, a poor start by Crocombe and for some reason that I am really struggling to understand Haines throws the ball to Ward, who has never taken a wicket in List A cricket and has an economy rate of 8.80. Glamorgan now 91-1 after 15 overs. 60 runs in 6.2 overs at almost 9.5 runs per over and the match is starting to slip away. One of the big differences from last season is Karvelas and Currie who used this competition to breakthrough into the first team. They always seemed to get early wickets and put us in a strong, if not match winning position. This season they are not having the same impact and understandably are not currently in the first eleven. Bowling wise we seem to have lost our way. This in itself given we seem to have a better chance chasing raises the question of why we chose to bat first today. Even more so given we selected an extra batter. I was at Taunton on Friday and have to admit to being bemused on the back of that one performance from reading posters who were previously critical of the team, not only believing qualification was still a possibility, but that it could all come down to net run rate. Somerset are a depleted side. We didn't bowl well at the death and whilst there was a marked improvement in our fielding, victory was heavily reliant on Pujara. Normal service is resumed today. Barring something quite remarkable, we were well short of posting a match winning total, particularly given the strength of their batting and the fallibility of our bowling. If we are to win this we need to take ten wickets. Sorry to be negative, but I just can't see it. The major concern is unlike many Counties (Ali Orr aside) this is our best eleven.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 13, 2023 15:08:50 GMT
Fynn and Coles turned things round and he and Hunt are bowling OK. Early days but we are not yet bring slaughtered. 31-1 after 8.4 overs. Good solid start by Hunt and Hudson-Prentice. Notwithstanding we could have had Ingram for 3 if Ward had held the catch. A couple of boundaries at the end of Hunt's spell, a loose over from Carson, a poor start by Crocombe and for some reason that I am really struggling to understand Haines throws the ball to Ward, who has never taken a wicket in List A cricket and has an economy rate of 8.80. Glamorgan now 91-1 after 15 overs. 60 runs in 6.2 overs at almost 9.5 runs per over and the match is starting to slip away. One of the big differences from last season is Karvelas and Currie who used this competition to breakthrough into the first team. They always seemed to get early wickets and put us in a strong, if not match winning position. This season they are not having the same impact and understandably are not currently in the first eleven. Bowling wise we seem to have lost our way. This in itself given we seem to have a better chance chasing raises the question of why we chose to bat first today. Even more so given we selected an extra batter. I was at Taunton on Friday and have to admit to being bemused on the back of that one performance from reading posters who were previously critical of the team, not only believing qualification was still a possibility, but that it could all come down to net run rate. Somerset are a depleted side. We didn't bowl well at the death and whilst there was a marked improvement in our fielding, victory was heavily reliant on Pujara. Normal service is resumed today. Barring something quite remarkable, we were well short of posting a match winning total, particularly given the strength of their batting and the fallibility of our bowling. If we are to win this we need to take ten wickets. Sorry to be negative, but I just can't see it. The major concern is unlike many Counties (Ali Orr aside) this is our best eleven. Yeah, given our lack of penetrating bowlers I reckon we were at least 100 runs short, until FHP and Coles came together there seemed to be no urgency in our batting, dare I say Pujara seemed more interested in protecting his batting average than trying to push things along?
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Post by squarepoint on Aug 13, 2023 16:38:15 GMT
I’m at a loss to understand why Karvelas isn’t playing, unless there’s a fitness issue.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 13, 2023 17:10:53 GMT
I hear tickets are still available for our next home game…can’t think why that is, we need to address our bowling asap. In the short term make the pitches more bowler friendly and let the batsmen take their share of the pain, longer term look at our coaching and/or recruitment.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 13, 2023 17:39:23 GMT
I hear tickets are still available for our next home game…can’t think why that is, we need to address our bowling asap. In the short term make the pitches more bowler friendly and let the batsmen take their share of the pain, longer term loo at our coaching and/or recruitment. Seam bowling wise we have the following:
Robinson Archer Garton Mills Finn McAndrew Shipley Hudson-Prentice Crocombe Currie Karvelas Hunt Atkins lamb for 2024 Wright for 2024
The problem is not lack of options it is a question or quality and availability. How many games have Robinson, Archer, Garton, Mills and Finn played this season? There is absolutely no point having them on the payroll if they are never going to play for Sussex or if they did it will only be a handful of games. That a complete waste of time and use of the playing budget. We are better letting them go and signing someone who is available and who will play all three formats.
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Post by devonexile on Aug 13, 2023 18:46:21 GMT
We have now played 5 of our 8 scheduled matches.
One win against a side missing a large part of their first team squad who went for 454 runs today.
One loss in a match where we were in a winning position, but our bowlers couldn't defend 58 off of the final 30 deliveries.
Three losses where we were completely outplayed in all departments and never in the game.
Whilst it was never going to be straightforward replicating the dizzy heights of last year's campaign, the drop off to where we are now is quite alarming.
We might understandably question the strength and limitations of our bowling attack, but the reality is that the playing squad and personnel are fundamentally with minimal exception the same as last year.
Yes, we have been without Orr, but Carson missed the whole competition through injury last year, Haines only became fit for the quarter finals and Hudson-Prentice was available for only three matches. Theoretically shouldn't that make us stronger?
Orr, Alsop, Pujara, Clark, Crocombe, Karvelas and Currie played the majority if not all of last seasons matches. Coles played five and even Harrison Ward played six.
Karvelas took 20 wickets at 19.45 with a strike rate of 21.6 and an economy of 5.40 last year. Currie took 12 wickets at 26 with a strike rate of 32 and and economy of 4.87. Neither have so far come close to those levels of performance and understandably have not made the starting eleven in recent matches.
The only notable absentees are Rawlins and Ibrahim (nine and 7 games respectively).
Rawlins interestingly took 14 wickets at 28.14 with a strike rate of 33.7 and an economy rate of 4.99. Coles and Crocombe whilst not at the same level of Karvelas, Currie and Rawlins both produced better returns than this season, no doubt due to being able to bowl in better and less pressured match situations.
So perhaps the bigger more pertinent question is what has changed. Did we over achieve? Is the opposition stronger this year? Different tactics, wrong team selection, over confidence, different preparation or something else?
The three significant changes are we have a different Head Coach, a different Captain and no Rawlins. Now I am not suggesting the problem is with the former as I do believe he is a significant upgrade on his predecessor, who if I recall correctly had already handed responsibility for the One Day Cup over to Kirtley last season. I suspect the issue of captaincy is open to wider debate, not helped when you see him throw the ball to a very part-time and untried off spinner this afternoon when you are looking to stem the flow of runs. As for the last, so much for all those who strongly criticised Delray. Oh for someone of his all round ability in this year's side. He also averaged over 32 with the bat at a strike rate of 138.
So, I suppose my point is whilst we may all berate the perceived shortcomings of the current playing squad, Orr's injury and Rawlins absence aside, it is predominantly the same as last year.
The bigger question therefore is surely why have this same group with an additional year's experience and the benefit of what was achieved last year been a shadow of the side they were?
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 13, 2023 19:21:06 GMT
Doubt the problem is over confidence!
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Post by yikemardy on Aug 13, 2023 20:36:18 GMT
We have now played 5 of our 8 scheduled matches. One win against a side missing a large part of their first team squad who went for 454 runs today. One loss in a match where we were in a winning position, but our bowlers couldn't defend 58 off of the final 30 deliveries. Three losses where we were completely outplayed in all departments and never in the game. Whilst it was never going to be straightforward replicating the dizzy heights of last year's campaign, the drop off to where we are now is quite alarming. We might understandably question the strength and limitations of our bowling attack, but the reality is that the playing squad and personnel are fundamentally with minimal exception the same as last year. Yes, we have been without Orr, but Carson missed the whole competition through injury last year, Haines only became fit for the quarter finals and Hudson-Prentice was available for only three matches. Theoretically shouldn't that make us stronger? Orr, Alsop, Pujara, Clark, Crocombe, Karvelas and Currie played the majority if not all of last seasons matches. Coles played five and even Harrison Ward played six. Karvelas took 20 wickets at 19.45 with a strike rate of 21.6 and an economy of 5.40 last year. Currie took 12 wickets at 26 with a strike rate of 32 and and economy of 4.87. Neither have so far come close to those levels of performance and understandably have not made the starting eleven in recent matches. The only notable absentees are Rawlins and Ibrahim (nine and 7 games respectively). Rawlins interestingly took 14 wickets at 28.14 with a strike rate of 33.7 and an economy rate of 4.99. Coles and Crocombe whilst not at the same level of Karvelas, Currie and Rawlins both produced better returns than this season, no doubt due to being able to bowl in better and less pressured match situations. So perhaps the bigger more pertinent question is what has changed. Did we over achieve? Is the opposition stronger this year? Different tactics, wrong team selection, over confidence, different preparation or something else? The three significant changes are we have a different Head Coach, a different Captain and no Rawlins. Now I am not suggesting the problem is with the former as I do believe he is a significant upgrade on his predecessor, who if I recall correctly had already handed responsibility for the One Day Cup over to Kirtley last season. I suspect the issue of captaincy is open to wider debate, not helped when you see him throw the ball to a very part-time and untried off spinner this afternoon when you are looking to stem the flow of runs. As for the last, so much for all those who strongly criticised Delray. Oh for someone of his all round ability in this year's side. He also averaged over 32 with the bat at a strike rate of 138. So, I suppose my point is whilst we may all berate the perceived shortcomings of the current playing squad, Orr's injury and Rawlins absence aside, it is predominantly the same as last year. The bigger question therefore is surely why have this same group with an additional year's experience and the benefit of what was achieved last year been a shadow of the side they were? From the top of the order, the loss of Orr has been a massive factor. We started games in a dynamic fashion, with him. Not now. Alsop has lost confidence this season . He usually gets out early, when he gets runs it takes him ages. Pujara - no change. consistent as ever. Clark - not very good . Can’t remember if he played last year . Ward is an improvement but they don’t seem to rate him. Coles - overall , about the same as last year . fhp - better this year Carson - we were better off last year when he wasn’t in the team Currie / Ari - not as good this year. That said, I’d persevere with them over hunt and crocombe Crocombe , Hunt, to a lesser extent Finn - all crap . They seem more prominent this year . Crocombe is a problem imo. He will always be likely to go for too many So biggest factors - no Orr pushing the innings along, and not one gun bowler (unlike last year ).
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 13, 2023 20:47:29 GMT
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but George Dobell says Paul Farbrace has put his name down for the Director of Cricket post at Kent.
Great! 🙄
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Post by sponge on Aug 13, 2023 21:21:05 GMT
Apologies if this has already been discussed, but George Dobell says Paul Farbrace has put his name down for the Director of Cricket post at Kent. Great! 🙄 Wicked, this hasn't been discussed as far as I know. I hope Farbrace can continue with Sussex and lead us into being a good competitive team in all formats.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 13, 2023 21:25:31 GMT
If Farbrace wants to go Kent then let him. We have gone backwards this season under Fabrace.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Aug 14, 2023 11:02:26 GMT
I don’t know the ins and outs of player contracts but how about swopping Crocombe for Mills, surely Mills could manage 18 overs over three games with the rest being picked up by a part time bowler, it’s not like Mills had to bowl in the quarters or finals of the T20 and we often don’t have to bowl all 50 overs! 6 overs of fast aggressive bowling might winkle out a couple of top order batsmen or at least slow the run rate.
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Post by therealab1 on Aug 14, 2023 11:18:28 GMT
I don’t know the ins and outs of player contracts but how about swopping Crocombe for Mills, surely Mills could manage 18 overs over three games with the rest being picked up by a part time bowler, it’s not like Mills had to bowl in the quarters or finals of the T20 and we often don’t have to bowl all 50 overs! 6 overs of fast aggressive bowling might winkle out a couple of top order batsmen or at least slow the run rate. He's on a T20 contract only, i think it's an insurance issue to have him playing other formats and he is in the Hundred.
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