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Post by hhsussex on Aug 2, 2016 6:55:16 GMT
As far as I know, having gone through all of the Sussex CCC press releases, the table below shows the current contractual situation for all Sussex players. Contracts traditionally run until the end of the season for the year shown. If anyone can update these I would be grateful, but it looks as if Finch, Hatchett, Hudson-Prentice, Joyce, Mills, Salt, Wells and Whittingham are all due to run out of contract in September this year, pending any discussions that haven't yet been completed/announced. I think we can all expect that Mills will be looking for an enhanced contract on the back of his T20 England appearance, and it would be surprising if Wells and Whittingham, both of whom have had strong seasons, were not in negotiation already.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 2, 2016 16:41:31 GMT
As far as I know, having gone through all of the Sussex CCC press releases, the table below shows the current contractual situation for all Sussex players. Contracts traditionally run until the end of the season for the year shown. If anyone can update these I would be grateful, but it looks as if Finch, Hatchett, Hudson-Prentice, Joyce, Mills, Salt, Wells and Whittingham are all due to run out of contract in September this year, pending any discussions that haven't yet been completed/announced. I think we can all expect that Mills will be looking for an enhanced contract on the back of his T20 England appearance, and it would be surprising if Wells and Whittingham, both of whom have had strong seasons, were not in negotiation already. Enhanced contract for Mills? I think £50K is probably double what he should be getting given we signed him to play in three formats not one. I would certainly be looking to speak to Finch (has shown improvement with two tons this season), Wells and Whittingham now. You missed out Shahzad who is signed up until 2017.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 2, 2016 17:07:30 GMT
As far as I know, having gone through all of the Sussex CCC press releases, the table below shows the current contractual situation for all Sussex players. Contracts traditionally run until the end of the season for the year shown. If anyone can update these I would be grateful, but it looks as if Finch, Hatchett, Hudson-Prentice, Joyce, Mills, Salt, Wells and Whittingham are all due to run out of contract in September this year, pending any discussions that haven't yet been completed/announced. I think we can all expect that Mills will be looking for an enhanced contract on the back of his T20 England appearance, and it would be surprising if Wells and Whittingham, both of whom have had strong seasons, were not in negotiation already. Enhanced contract for Mills? I think £50K is probably double what he should be getting given we signed him to play in three formats not one. I would certainly be looking to speak to Finch (has shown improvement with two tons this season), Wells and Whittingham now. You missed out Shahzad who is signed up until 2017.Thanks for that helpful comment coverpoint. Here is a revised table.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 2, 2016 17:08:41 GMT
Shahzad on a high salary too. He bought a top of the range brand new BMW on the back of it.
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Post by fraudster on Aug 2, 2016 21:01:30 GMT
Shahzad on a high salary too. He bought a top of the range brand new BMW on the back of it. Or on the back of a successful career - what colour are his furry dice according to your long distance lens?
Briggs, Mags, Shahzad and Cachopa, all pencilled in for another season. Another re-building season next season. We gotta toughen up, lose people early, only bring in quality outsiders, sign an OS for the position one's needed and trust even more so in the young quality we are developing. If we do all that we might not have to sack the coach or over-throw the board. I'd welcome both those things though.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 3, 2016 11:58:40 GMT
Shahzad on a high salary too. He bought a top of the range brand new BMW on the back of it. Or on the back of a successful career - what colour are his furry dice according to your long distance lens?
Briggs, Mags, Shahzad and Cachopa, all pencilled in for another season. Another re-building season next season. We gotta toughen up, lose people early, only bring in quality outsiders, sign an OS for the position one's needed and trust even more so in the young quality we are developing. If we do all that we might not have to sack the coach or over-throw the board. I'd welcome both those things though.
Cachopa contract extension was the most ridiculous in the history of Sussex CCC (Brexit). All four are a shadow of the players they once were.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 3, 2016 14:31:07 GMT
Although, it's encouraging to see glimpses of Cachopa's form return in recent weeks.
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Post by nemmo on Aug 3, 2016 15:22:45 GMT
In fairness Cachopa was fairly unlucky in the Kent 50 over match and was out to one that kept quite low.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 6, 2016 10:59:49 GMT
During an idle moment and looking at those players whose contracts end this season, I would renew Finch, HP, Salt and Whittingham. Fortunately, they haven't developed enough for a Division 1 club to show interest... yet.
Not renew contracts for Hatchett and Wells.
Joyce must decide whether to retire (38 years-old) and move in to SKY media or Cricket Ireland Coaching; or seek a two year contract with either Sussex or possibly with a Division 1 county (quality shines through).
As for Mills an oddity. Presumably, he will look to sign a specialist contract just for T20 (what happened with the RLC this season?) Might a Division 1 club be interested?
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Post by flashblade on Aug 6, 2016 11:11:54 GMT
During an idle moment and looking at those players whose contracts end this season, I would renew Finch, HP, Salt and Whittingham. Fortunately, they haven't developed enough for a Division 1 club to show interest... yet. Not renew contracts for Hatchett and Wells. Joyce must decide whether to retire (38 years-old) and move in to SKY media or Cricket Ireland Coaching; or seek a two year contract with either Sussex or possibly with a Division 1 county (quality shines through). As for Mills an oddity. Presumably, he will look to sign a specialist contract just for T20 (what happened with the RLC this season?) Might a Division 1 club be interested? I would persevere with Wells, especially if Joyce retires or moves on. We're not very strong in the batting department.
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Post by coverpoint on Aug 6, 2016 12:53:36 GMT
During an idle moment and looking at those players whose contracts end this season, I would renew Finch, HP, Salt and Whittingham. Fortunately, they haven't developed enough for a Division 1 club to show interest... yet. Not renew contracts for Hatchett and Wells. Joyce must decide whether to retire (38 years-old) and move in to SKY media or Cricket Ireland Coaching; or seek a two year contract with either Sussex or possibly with a Division 1 county (quality shines through). As for Mills an oddity. Presumably, he will look to sign a specialist contract just for T20 (what happened with the RLC this season?) Might a Division 1 club be interested? I disagree totally about Wells who is our third top championship run scorer with 575 runs @ 44 including three centuries which is more than Brown, Wright, Finch and Machan. He was also awarded his county cap earlier this season. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/teams/sussex/averages
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 7, 2016 6:30:33 GMT
I was being a little mischievous about Wells.
He epitomises the Sussex batsman who hasn't developed and keeps making similar mistakes. He scores a century and then scratches around for the next ensuing games. He gets out to the same errors - usually an off-side waft followed by a snick to slip - and plays a season underperforming.
Wells is now in the 2nd Division facing inferior bowlers. Agreed, he has scored 575 runs but should be capitalising more. But as Fb points out we are so short of quality batsmen, the club have little choice but to resign him. If a leading Division 1 county, Wells would probably lose his contract.
Given the original great promise can his lack of development be blamed on the Sussex coaching or his own personal mental resolve?
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Post by jonboy on Aug 7, 2016 7:17:52 GMT
The management team are apparently keen to bring in a couple of players to strengthen the batting. They acknowledge that there's been a problem with the middle order for a few years now, and seem determined to get some extra firepower into this department. In terms of numbers, it's not an area of concern, with a whole logjam of batters vying for 2 or 3 places, Wright, Wells, Machan, Finch, Cachopa, Salt and Hudson-Prentice. There does seem to be other areas with perhaps more pressing needs. Certainly at the top of the order, if Joyce leaves, and an all rounder, or at least a top six batsman, who can bowl third change. Those were the two areas of concern last year, and have only partially been remedied, by moving Joyce back up the order. Nash and Joyce's opening partnerships, in championship terms anyway, represent the only department that has lived up to expectations. Now even that might be under threat, with Ed's possible retirement. We simply don't have anyone to step into his shoes. I was surprised when Luke said, last winter, that they were looking to bring in a powerful middle order batsman. The subsequent signing of Ross Taylor, looked to have given us a top order, the envy of most counties in this league. I'm guessing Luke's thinking was, with such a powerful top order, and Brown at six, we'd be OK with five bowlers, most of whom could bat a bit. Although Taylor played his part, along with Nash and Joyce, that top order never quite lived up to it's star billing. Wells, with two or three good knocks has done OK, but the rest of those middle order options, including the skipper himself, have been found wanting. So what of next year? Well, a lot will depend on Ed's decision. If he stays, then maybe adding a couple of hard hitting batsmen, one of which would hopefully be able to bowl, might do the trick. I still have some reservations about Brown at six, but a more consistent top five may negate some of those worries. We will probably be looking at batsmen who offer us something in all formats, given that Joyce, Wells and Brown don't always feature in the one day side. Where will we find those players, and how will we fund them? One could be an overseas, taking the place of Taylor, as it were, the other would probably be a player from another county. Other than a whole raft of openers, most of whom would be beyond us, I haven't seen any batters rumoured to be on the move. Not quite sure how we will fund a second batsman, unless Ed goes (which would cause us more problems) and even if we did free up the former skippers salary, we would be unlikely to attract a batsman of his calibre. So if we are successful in bringing in a couple of batsmen, what about the others, Machan, Finch, Cachopa, Salt and Hudson-Prentice? I'm sure all will continue to get their opportunities, especially in the one day competitions, but it will be up to them to make a case for their inclusion, and that's something they haven't consistently done. It might also be worth one or two of them trying to develop their skills as an opener, where they should get more opportunities in the future.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 7, 2016 8:31:30 GMT
I was being a little mischievous about Wells. He epitomises the Sussex batsman who hasn't developed and keeps making similar mistakes. He scores a century and then scratches around for the next ensuing games. He gets out to the same errors - usually an off-side waft followed by a snick to slip - and plays a season underperforming. Wells is now in the 2nd Division facing inferior bowlers. Agreed, he has scored 575 runs but should be capitalising more. But as Fb points out we are so short of quality batsmen, the club have little choice but to resign him. If a leading Division 1 county, Wells would probably lose his contract. Given the original great promise can his lack of development be blamed on the Sussex coaching or his own personal mental resolve? A bit of both, I think, in that a good coach would say to him "Excellent technique, lovely follow-through, you seem to have good foot movement but you can't put it all together. Have a good think about what you want to do with your career. Do you want to be the best, or just the best in the net?" It might be a case of letting him go off and get a fresh start somewhere else to prove himself.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 7, 2016 8:53:11 GMT
The management team are apparently keen to bring in a couple of players to strengthen the batting. They acknowledge that there's been a problem with the middle order for a few years now, and seem determined to get some extra firepower into this department. In terms of numbers, it's not an area of concern, with a whole logjam of batters vying for 2 or 3 places, Wright, Wells, Machan, Finch, Cachopa, Salt and Hudson-Prentice. There does seem to be other areas with perhaps more pressing needs. Certainly at the top of the order, if Joyce leaves, and an all rounder, or at least a top six batsman, who can bowl third change. Those were the two areas of concern last year, and have only partially been remedied, by moving Joyce back up the order. Nash and Joyce's opening partnerships, in championship terms anyway, represent the only department that has lived up to expectations. Now even that might be under threat, with Ed's possible retirement. We simply don't have anyone to step into his shoes. I was surprised when Luke said, last winter, that they were looking to bring in a powerful middle order batsman. The subsequent signing of Ross Taylor, looked to have given us a top order, the envy of most counties in this league. I'm guessing Luke's thinking was, with such a powerful top order, and Brown at six, we'd be OK with five bowlers, most of whom could bat a bit. Although Taylor played his part, along with Nash and Joyce, that top order never quite lived up to it's star billing. Wells, with two or three good knocks has done OK, but the rest of those middle order options, including the skipper himself, have been found wanting. So what of next year? Well, a lot will depend on Ed's decision. If he stays, then maybe adding a couple of hard hitting batsmen, one of which would hopefully be able to bowl, might do the trick. I still have some reservations about Brown at six, but a more consistent top five may negate some of those worries. We will probably be looking at batsmen who offer us something in all formats, given that Joyce, Wells and Brown don't always feature in the one day side. Where will we find those players, and how will we fund them? One could be an overseas, taking the place of Taylor, as it were, the other would probably be a player from another county. Other than a whole raft of openers, most of whom would be beyond us, I haven't seen any batters rumoured to be on the move. Not quite sure how we will fund a second batsman, unless Ed goes (which would cause us more problems) and even if we did free up the former skippers salary, we would be unlikely to attract a batsman of his calibre. So if we are successful in bringing in a couple of batsmen, what about the others, Machan, Finch, Cachopa, Salt and Hudson-Prentice? I'm sure all will continue to get their opportunities, especially in the one day competitions, but it will be up to them to make a case for their inclusion, and that's something they haven't consistently done. It might also be worth one or two of them trying to develop their skills as an opener, where they should get more opportunities in the future. Some very good points. In the first place it seems to be the world's worst-kept secret that Joyce will pack up at the end of this season. He has bought a house in Ireland, has extensive gigs on Sky now, and has said he wants to get his 50 100s (4 more to come) this year. Therefore we should say thanks very much for a wonderful batting career with Sussex, arrange an appropriate send-off and concentrate on finding a good replacement. He will have been on a very good salary and there should be plenty there to attract a decent player onto the staff. Whether this is done by recruiting an overseas player or doing something like Leicestershire have done so successfully this year with experienced old pros like Horton and Dexter coming in to provide ballast for a new younger mix is a matter of strategy. Overseas pros nowadays have so many rival competitive opportunities overlapping the English county season that it is probably only the younger, untried ones who are available all summer. It might be better to go for someone who has lost their place in a Division One county and will welcome the opportunity to recharge the batteries. That need not be an opener; as jonboy has said above, one of the current fringe players could take the opportunity to partner Nash and claim a place. Out of that younger set Finch has been the most improved this year, and up till the broken thumb in the current match, looked to be the most versatile, moving up and down the order and playing vital innings in championship and 50 over games. I think he will succeed because he has the best technique and allies it with determination. Hudson-Prentice had bad luck with injuries earlier on and hasn't bowled this year. He made runs in second XI championship and trophy games in May and June but has now gone off the boil, seemingly. He really needs to take any opportunities on offer: perhaps if Finch has to miss out he should be in for the Gloucestershire game. Cachopa has a mountain to climb and no one seems to know why all his talent and form have deserted him. If his contract finished this season there would be no strong reasons to retain him, other than the embarrassing lack of a deputy wicket-keeper. Salt should prosper with a good coach to help him identify the ball to hit and the ball to leave. When Machan gets the all-clear to resume playing he should come back in at 5, with Wright at 4.
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