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Post by coverpoint on Oct 27, 2017 5:40:39 GMT
As things currently stand it probably looks something like this:
Wells (VC) New signing New signing Van Zyl Wright Brown (c, wk) Archer Jordan Robinson Wiese Briggs
Only 2 homegrown players is pathetic. The bowling with those five and with Beer, Garton, Mills (T20 only), Sakande and Whittingham in reserve looks ready to go. The batting on the other hand looks short in terms of quality. We need to sign two batsmen of real quality (no other counties cast offs please).
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chrisc
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Post by chrisc on Oct 27, 2017 11:49:59 GMT
I would certainly welcome new batsmen of real quality but how likely is this? Irrespective of that though, I also hope that the likes of Salt, Burgess and Rawlins are given real opportunities in the first team, not just the odd game. OK I agree they have to earn it and take their opportunities once they get them by getting big scores, but I'm hopeful they can do this. I'd like Garton, Sakande and Whittingham to get the opportunity to press for regular places too.
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Post by joe on Oct 27, 2017 13:02:00 GMT
As things currently stand it probably looks something like this: Wells (VC) New signing New signing Van Zyl Wright Brown (c, wk) Archer Jordan Robinson Wiese Briggs Only 2 homegrown players is pathetic. The bowling with those five and with Beer, Garton, Mills (T20 only), Sakande and Whittingham in reserve looks ready to go. The batting on the other hand looks short in terms of quality. We need to sign two batsmen of real quality (no other counties cast offs please). 2 homegrown players is only pathetic if you only pick 2! I don’t think Briggs will start in April, if at all, next season in the CC, I don’t think Wiese will play in the CC either. Garton and Whittingham both had better averages than Wiese and Briggs and I’d play them both regularly. Salt also deserves a good run and Burgess could easily play as a batsman only.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 27, 2017 13:02:26 GMT
Key for me is, they have to earn their place Too many times we have tried to replace quality players, with youngsters not up to it, or sub standard imports All that happens when you do that is, you become less competitive In our case, that decline has been dramatic We do now have a batch of promising youngsters, and that may bode well for the future As of now though, only really Archer demands a regular place Not being negative,but we need to ally those promising youngsters to players of real quality, if we want to again challenge for trophies
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Post by liquidskin on Oct 27, 2017 20:58:34 GMT
Note to Andrew, don't give Sharkey the gig. Not only will he pick a pants team, he'll slate it as well ; )
Renshaw/Joe Burns Duckett Wells Finch Wright Salt Brown Archer Robinson Garton Whittingham
No spinner, Jordan, and a four man attack in April init? One overseas, one player over 30, none under 20. Duckett, by the way, is an example of the sort of quality outside player we should be aiming for.
Make Wells captain, no bloody keepers - over burdened, and Wells can decide where he plays with the other two openers.
That's close season done. Took me ten minutes.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 27, 2017 22:00:38 GMT
As things currently stand it probably looks something like this: Wells (VC) New signing New signing Van Zyl Wright Brown (c, wk) Archer Jordan Robinson Wiese Briggs Only 2 homegrown players is pathetic. The bowling with those five and with Beer, Garton, Mills (T20 only), Sakande and Whittingham in reserve looks ready to go. The batting on the other hand looks short in terms of quality. We need to sign two batsmen of real quality (no other counties cast offs please). What a great contradiction - you pick your side for next season, put two unnamed new signings in it (which I like)....then decry it as pathetic that it only includes 2 homegrown players!! 😳😏 Priceless!! Don't worry about that though, looks a decent team if we can get the two new signings right.
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 28, 2017 5:42:43 GMT
Note to Andrew, don't give Sharkey the gig. Not only will he pick a pants team, he'll slate it as well ; ) Renshaw/Joe Burns Duckett Wells Finch Wright Salt Brown Archer Robinson Garton Whittingham No spinner, Jordan, and a four man attack in April init? One overseas, one player over 30, none under 20. Duckett, by the way, is an example of the sort of quality outside player we should be aiming for. Make Wells captain, no bloody keepers - over burdened, and Wells can decide where he plays with the other two openers. That's close season done. Took me ten minutes. Duckett? He won't swap one second division county for another you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think he will with Surrey looking to replace Sangakkara and Notts looking for three new batsmen following the loss of Lumb, Smith and Taylor. Van Zyl will play ahead of Finch. I suspect Jordan and Wiese will play ahead of Garton and Whittingham and that Briggs will continue to be selected by the unimaginative Sussex coaching setup.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 28, 2017 9:51:44 GMT
Unimaginative coaching set-up?? It's called picking your best spinner!
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 28, 2017 12:58:43 GMT
Unimaginative coaching set-up?? It's called picking your best spinner! Did I mention anything about picking a spinner?
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Oct 28, 2017 22:42:39 GMT
"Briggs will continue to be selected by the unimaginative Sussex coaching setup"
Yes
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Oct 29, 2017 10:49:36 GMT
Hopefully the new coach will bring in his own coaching team and captain and we will see several new experience faces( batters) who want to play for the new Sussex set up and that includes a new Director of Cricket.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 29, 2017 14:50:23 GMT
Hopefully the new coach will bring in his own coaching team and captain and we will see several new experience faces( batters) who want to play for the new Sussex set up and that includes a new Director of Cricket. Yes, that is the hope
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 1, 2017 7:32:53 GMT
Assuming that we are talking about the first-class, red ball game, and looking at the most recent contracts and extensions of contract the spine of the team seems to be established.
1 Wells 2 3 Van Zyl 4 Brown 5 Wright 6 Burgess 7 Jordan 8 Archer 9 10 11
Those players scored over 5000 first class runs for Sussex last year, 65% of the total, and given that Brown and Wright both had below-par years and that Burgess was not picked often enough there is clearly potential for many more. Add Salt, or a few screws of Finch, and there is quite a tasty dish of batting even before looking for Overseas seasoning. What is needed is a competent chef and a maitre d' to ensure consistent presentation.
The bowling is paradoxically the area where promise so far outstrips performance. Only Archer bowled consistently well last year and at the end he was very tired and his figures fell away in the last few games. We will need Jordan to perform much better than he did at times last year. If Robinson has completely overcome all his injuries he will be the ideal replacement not just for Magoffin but for team balance, bowling good lengths and probing away with his medium pace in the earlier part of the innings and switching to his off spin when variety is needed or the pitch offers a bit of assistance. He would always be in my team for those attributes, and for his brave and often successful batting. That leaves the two places at the bottom of the order for encouraging competition between Sakande, Whittingham and Garton. And the use of Van Zyl as an old-fashioned change bowler, being brought on to frustrate and break up a partnership and then being taken off once he had taken a wicket, was one of the few tactical successes of last year.
That leaves in reserve, or for white-ball games only, from the current squad of contracted players Haines,Evans, Wiese,Rawlins, Mills, Briggs and Beer. That seems about right to me with the only question whether to go for a batting Overseas star to perform in all formats or to resume the search for a high class quality spinner, a Mushtaq or a Panesar for the four-day game. Essex struck gold last year with Harmer but canny spinners have so many offers from the T20 leagues they are less and less likely to commit to 6 months of battling against the pitches.
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Post by liquidskin on Nov 1, 2017 17:52:55 GMT
Note to Andrew, don't give Sharkey the gig. Not only will he pick a pants team, he'll slate it as well ; ) Renshaw/Joe Burns Duckett Wells Finch Wright Salt Brown Archer Robinson Garton Whittingham No spinner, Jordan, and a four man attack in April init? One overseas, one player over 30, none under 20. Duckett, by the way, is an example of the sort of quality outside player we should be aiming for. Make Wells captain, no bloody keepers - over burdened, and Wells can decide where he plays with the other two openers. That's close season done. Took me ten minutes. Duckett? He won't swap one second division county for another you're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think he will with Surrey looking to replace Sangakkara and Notts looking for three new batsmen following the loss of Lumb, Smith and Taylor. Van Zyl will play ahead of Finch. I suspect Jordan and Wiese will play ahead of Garton and Whittingham and that Briggs will continue to be selected by the unimaginative Sussex coaching setup. I may be living in cloud cuckoo land but at least I'm not good looking.
We can match anyone for cash if we lose the rest of the deadwood. RA needs to make sure our new set-up focuses on graduates and quality outsiders only. We can produce our own average players and a few very good ones to boot. That is the cheapest and most satisfying way forward. We need to try and lose four more contracted players early, sign two quality outsiders and supplement the rest of the squad with 4/5 more grads. They are there, use them.
We've proceeded one way, look where we are. Go the other way.
So far this has been the most positive pre season in years. More ruthlessness needed though. I'm excited to see what coaching set-up and squad we have come April. I'm getting well on board with a Adams, Prior, Lewis combo personally.
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Post by joe on Nov 1, 2017 18:09:46 GMT
Wells O/S van Zyl Wright Salt Brown Burgess + Archer Jordan Robinson Garton
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