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Post by philh on May 13, 2018 11:53:45 GMT
I fear this game is drifting as the target is already in excess of 250. Our top four will need to bat well this time round.
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Post by philh on May 13, 2018 14:46:31 GMT
In the 1st innings, the first four Sussex batsmen scored a combined total of 20 and the rest (including extras) scored 161. In the 2nd innings, the first four scored 71, which means the rest need to score 200.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 13, 2018 16:32:22 GMT
Nail-biting stuff. 90 runs to win, 5 wickets left BUT... Henry is warming up for another stint. Always seems unfair when a county has an outstanding and dominant player.
I really like Burgess. A great signing for Sussex. Can the two Bs carry us over the line... again?
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Post by joe on May 13, 2018 17:34:36 GMT
Well played Matt Henry, his 63 runs and 10 wickets in the match the difference.
We must bring in an opening bat for the second half of the season when Sharma goes, can’t keep relying on the middle and lower order to get the runs. Salt needs to go back to the 2’s pronto.
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Post by liquidskin on May 13, 2018 17:39:57 GMT
Back to normality. This is Mark Davis' team right here, doing the same things, struggling in div 2. There is no point in keeping out Whittingham and Garton with 30+ year old Kolpaks. I can get my head around it if we're gonna push for promotion but we're not. These lads need to play, make mistakes, learn and improve with game time. We're gonna be languishing in this division with the teams that are always here, we have no need for Kolpaks. It's criminal. Build your own team Gillespie with the youth that was on the spec.
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Post by worthingsccc on May 13, 2018 17:52:05 GMT
You cannot blame Kolpak players for that defeat. Sounds to me like your not a supporter of the club in defeat. Youth is where we are going wrong - Salt and Finch are hardly scoring a run. Wells has lost his early season form. Van Zyl for his faults is getting lots of 30/40s -ok not converting but at least it’s a start. We need to stop being 70-4 if we are to get 2nd place. Wiese has been superb so far this season. Garton and Whittingham haven’t done it for the seconds so unlikely to do it for the firsts. Sakande may be next in line. We need an overseas opening batsman ASAP that can hold the top order together. The only thing the club have done wrong so far is not strengthen the batting.
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Post by liquidskin on May 13, 2018 18:42:33 GMT
You cannot blame Kolpak players for that defeat. Sounds to me like your not a supporter of the club in defeat. Youth is where we are going wrong - Salt and Finch are hardly scoring a run. Wells has lost his early season form. Van Zyl for his faults is getting lots of 30/40s -ok not converting but at least it’s a start. We need to stop being 70-4 if we are to get 2nd place. Wiese has been superb so far this season. Garton and Whittingham haven’t done it for the seconds so unlikely to do it for the firsts. Sakande may be next in line. We need an overseas opening batsman ASAP that can hold the top order together. The only thing the club have done wrong so far is not strengthen the batting. I'm not, I'm blaming the club for recruiting them and picking them. It doesn't matter how they're doing personally if you're just sitting about in div 2, there's no point having them. Build your team with youth if you're going nowhere anyway and then maybe some day soon you will prosper. Van Zyl, an experienced overseas test player hasn't even got a fifty for us yet, unlike centurions Wells and Finch. Even Salt has a fifty. Why do you so readily slate a young Sussex lad who's done more than the experienced test player you're protecting? Salt is a middle order bat and he's filling in before we surely get an overseas opener when Jordan and Archer return. You've got your expectations arse about face mate. You should expect more of Van Zyl than Salt and Finch. The point is, regardless of how well he does as an individual, what's the point in having him if you're going nowhere as a team? We should be building in this situation and we should have been for the last three years. This is Davis' team.
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Post by smithers2 on May 13, 2018 18:48:10 GMT
Hang on Joe, last week you was calling for Wright to be dropped who just happened to be our leading scorer over both innings in this match! If you drop either of the openers who else will step into their shoes? Last season was testament that neither Finch nor Wright can open, Van Zyl has stated that he doesn't want the job and there is nobody in the second team anywhere near the standard required. It has been stated that there are no funds available to bring in an expensive overseas opener or even an expensive player coming to the end of their career whilst languishing in the 2s of some other County side a la Laurie Evans! So what do you suggest? Have you got a magic wand? I say we have to adopt a patient attitude with our batsmen and be mindful that this re-building exercise is not going to happen overnight and if you want evidence of how this philosophy has worked in the past just remember how long it took Mike Yardy to establish himself as a batsman at Sussex back in the early noughties! I don't expect you to be happy that we have suffered our first defeat of the season but calling for senseless knee-jerk remedies shows a lack of understanding of our beloved game!
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Post by bambam on May 13, 2018 19:41:10 GMT
You cannot blame Kolpak players for that defeat. Sounds to me like your not a supporter of the club in defeat. Youth is where we are going wrong - Salt and Finch are hardly scoring a run. Wells has lost his early season form. Van Zyl for his faults is getting lots of 30/40s -ok not converting but at least it’s a start. We need to stop being 70-4 if we are to get 2nd place. Wiese has been superb so far this season. Garton and Whittingham haven’t done it for the seconds so unlikely to do it for the firsts. Sakande may be next in line. We need an overseas opening batsman ASAP that can hold the top order together. The only thing the club have done wrong so far is not strengthen the batting. “Youth is where we are going wrong” . Am I really reading that statement on a fan forum?? Perhaps you agreed with Alan Hansen back in 92. This nonsense around our “failing top 4 batsmen” has got my back up- here are the top 4 batsmens scores from our division this week- I’ll buy you a therapy session if you think the Sussex numbers are any different... 19,4,3 and 0. 14, 0, 61 and 17. 12, 38, 14, 21. 100,2,14,1. 1,7,0,14. 40,32,7,14. 66,28,0,6. 2,34,0,1. 13,10,60,26. 3,3,9,5. 2,8,47,26. 9,11,38,13. 35,16,6,5. 20,0,22,1. The only club that have had ONE decent opening session are the team we’ve just beaten - 36,99,31,76!! Just a suggestion- why don’t we try to understand that it is early season in England.. the Ball beats the bat more than the bat beats the ball at this time of year and we are trying to BUILD a team!! I’ve been to every game this season and I for one wouldn’t change the team until we have players performing regularly challenging for spots. At the minute every single potential option is failing at a lower level- why would you change anything. The players in question by worthingsccc are the biggest contributors in terms of energy, enthusiasm, togetherness and all those key intangible factors that often differentiate between success and failure (and for the record young Salt has the same average as Joe Root and a higher average than Shiv Chanderpaul, Chris Nash, Pujara and Ben Duckett)- with your logic let’s get him in the test squad!!). You have to believe in the process otherwise you might as well select a team based on whoever has the best nets session the day before - maybe the Physio might get the nod to open the bowling. Think of JG as the Pep Guardiola of div 2- he’ll get the team right with or without negatives numpties asking for knee jerk reactions. Smithers has it right- well said that man. Let’s get behind the boys and believe in them!! GOSBTS
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Post by markcol92 on May 13, 2018 19:46:49 GMT
The problem is spending the budget on high wage 20/20 players like mills and rashid Khan when there are able replacements in the squad Mills is probably the highest English earner in the squad and he only played 4 games for Sussex throughout last season - yet is fine to play every other day out in Australia in the big bash (terribly I may add) Gillespie should have made it his priority to get an opening batsmen in as soon as he knew he had the job to replace our most consistent run scorer from the past 5 seasons
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 13, 2018 20:04:08 GMT
My understanding is that both Andrew and Gillespie are gambling on youth and the Academy and by hell or high water, that is what is going to happen. Kent won because they had an outstanding O/S player who towered above the rest of the players on the Canterbury pitch.
I agree with others that early in the Championship season, conditions favour the seamers, so to openly criticise the top order batsmen is a little harsh. We knew that Salt would find it tough and Wells has reverted back to his old form of getting some superb scores and then disappearing into the background.
If we are to support the club and their Academy/Youth policy, we must expect inconsistency, where one week we win a match and the next we lose. The all important issue is that we see a squad that is improving, and on that score, I have no complaints this season.
Allow Jason Gillespie to have a final say. He tweets, "Not the result we were after today. We learn from this fixture and take it into our next challenge. Well played to our opponents Kent CCC. I’m proud of our efforts this game and this season."
PS: Here's a thought to hold on to. No further Championship cricket at Hove now until July 22nd. And even more exciting, it is played with a pink ball!
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Post by liquidskin on May 13, 2018 20:14:38 GMT
And we have three overseas players S&F. Why? We're not gambling on the Academy at all. Four academy grads in this side and two of them are what, 28? We're gambling on a poor squad that needed seriously bulking, and we're not even using the academy.
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Post by joe on May 13, 2018 20:20:32 GMT
You have to decide whether you want to win games or develope the youngsters. If we are trying to win then we need a top order batter, if we are developing our youngsters then we don’t need Kolpaks blocking their development. Why bring in Sharma for Jordan and Archer but not bring anyone in for Joyce, Nash, Machen etc? Doesn’t make sense. We’re neither doing one thing nor the other and we’ll end up 4th again in the division with 3 very promising fast bowlers another year older with little or no experience in the 1st team.
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Post by liquidskin on May 13, 2018 20:27:34 GMT
You have to decide whether you want to win games or develope the youngsters. If we are trying to win then we need a top order batter, if we are developing our youngsters then we don’t need Kolpaks blocking their development. Why bring in Sharma for Jordan and Archer but not bring anyone in for Joyce, Nash, Machen etc? Doesn’t make sense. We’re neither doing one thing nor the other and we’ll end up 4th again in the division with 3 very promising fast bowlers another year older with little or no experience in the 1st team. Exactly. If we're flying high as a team and going places, well I can't say much about Kolpaks. I still will but it holds less weight. Once again we are not gonna get out of this division. The words of the hierarchy, if S&F is to be believed, do not stack up to the method.
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Post by jonboy on May 13, 2018 21:32:25 GMT
What’s changed from last season? Nothing, by the looks of it, all last years shortcomings remain
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