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Post by philh on Jun 8, 2018 18:19:16 GMT
Salt can score 60 odd off 40 odd against one of the best international sides yet can't even get a game in the RL Cup. Criminal. He should have left if he wants to further his career because Sussex is the hardest place for a young man to do it. As predicted, another pathetic RL Cup campaign at Sussex. Someone remind me, why are we using Kolpaks again? I’m not sure it’s a Kolpak issue. Van Zyl has missed much of the RLODC and Wiese has arguably been our best player this season. Where I would agree is that Salt may not have had a fair crack of the whip by having to open. He may have had more success down at six, say, where Michael Burgess has performed well. Our main problem is openers, particularly when Luke Wells fails. England seem to have the same problem. |
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Post by dolby42 on Jun 8, 2018 19:49:56 GMT
Yes he did get to 60 but was dropped twice on 0 and ran his partner out. Of his last 14 innings he’s got to 60 twice but his next highest score is 17 and include 4 ducks. He’s not consistent enough. Got a big hundred for Brighton and Hove last Saturday which I think is, unfortunately, his level. I can't believe that anyone who was at the game or possesses even the most basic knowledge of cricket can write this drivel above. Of all the press reports I have read both from England and Australia including comments from the Head Coaches of both teams this is the only remotely negative comment out there regarding Phil Salt's performance yesterday. No surprise then that it comes from someone who regularly posts negative crap about our players on this forum and whose 'glass in life' is clearly empty! Just to set the record straight Wells ran himself out as anyone at the ground could see and as the 3 commentators on BBC sport agreed, there was never a second run there. Yes he was dropped but that is all part of cricket, God knows we have seen plenty of dropped catches this season. As for his performance in the red ball competition, to put a young white-ball specialist batsman in to open at a time of year in this country when the ball notoriously does all kind of gravity defying acrobatics smacks to me of mis-management. Add to that the fact that every game he played in was effected by both bad weather and bad-light, add to that the fact that he faced opening bowlers such as Pakistan's Abbas and New Zealand's Henry and the picture soon becomes clearer that he was thrown in at the deep end. I was sat next to 4 friendly and knowledgeable Surrey fans at the game yesterday who were comparing Salt with one of their young prospects by the name of Pope (in fact they graciously commented that our guy has more raw talent), they were saying that Alec Stewart would never play Pope higher than 5 at this stage in his career and preferably lower down the order in order to promote his confidence which by what they were saying is working well! They also drew parallels between Jason Roy and Salt and again mentioned how even he was developed as a lower order batsman at Salt's age and only as he became more confident was he promoted to open. Apparently to this day he doesn't open for Surrey in the 4 day competition but comes in around 5 or 6 if he is picked at all in this format. Why Salt didn't play in the 50 over format this season remains a mystery to me and also to many people I spoke to on the matter yesterday at the ground. He is the most exciting white ball batsman we have produced since Luke Wright and my fear is that if he is not managed diligently then we may ruin his potential or he may leave when his contract expires, apparently there were plenty interested in acquiring his services at the end of last season. Let us hope that Dizzy now is fully aware of his potential and handles him appropriately. Going back to the comment above which made me write this post, you are welcome to your opinion Joe whoever you are but perhaps you would be better off supporting Hampshire or somebody else from now on as we at Sussex CCC don't need our own fans to be making jaundiced and cynical comments about players who are the future of our club! |
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Post by dolby42 on Jun 8, 2018 21:48:45 GMT
No Joe not a relative just a Sussex CCC fan reflecting on what I considered to be unfair and unwarranted commentary on your part towards one of our best young players. You have to admit you do make this a habit on this forum which brings the disposition of the whole thing down into negativity it seems to me. Maybe you enjoy it and you are one of those people who are "happy being miserable?"
I was simply making the point that your remark above was completely at odds with the many others I had heard during and after the game including many from people who actually know something about cricket!
As for the comparison, this was being made by others. I wouldn't know the Surrey Pope from the one in the Vatican personally!
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Jun 9, 2018 6:48:47 GMT
Salt is in the same position that Finch was in last season, to play in the 1st team, he has to open.
As we have seen with Finch, he drops down the order to his natural position and he starts scoring runs.
I am sure Dizzy knows Salt should not open, but it could be a case of playing him outside his comfort zone to build his character up.
I guess in 4 day cricket Dizzy is already planning for next season and knows exactly, who he will retain.
I can see in the county games more youngsters being given a chance, ie Haines, Rawlings, Gaston and Whittingham.
Would not surprise me if academy players such as Clarke and Sheffield got a game as well.
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Post by herring on Jun 9, 2018 8:49:34 GMT
What absolute rubbish written about Phil Salt. Unbelievable to say playing in Sussex League is his level. Like a lot of people cant understand why he opened in 4 day cricket especially in April,May. However will accept coaches better judgement. Can only presume with our dearth of openers it was a matter of the only spot available.
Unlike football in cricket you cant hide and my only criticism of Salt and for that matter many other young players is they do not score runs consistently in club or 2nd team cricket. ( i think that 100 was his first score over 50 for Brighton) If he wants to play county cricket he needs to show he can bat for 70 overs for 2s instead of looking for 100 before lunch.
None of what I have said can take away the fact he has fantastic natural talent I have not seen in one of our young players for many years and it now down to coaching staff that this potential is fulfilled.
He will be one of first on team sheet for 20/20. Maybe he is aware of one good season in 20/20 he will be in demand for a minor 20/20 tournament in winter and succeed there and Big Bash/IPL come calling. Lets face it even with his little experience he is one of few Sussex players capable of scoring 50 of 30 balls.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 9, 2018 16:30:08 GMT
To continue the thread of opponent team's modes of vehicle, here is the Aussie charabanc. A Muzza special!  |
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Post by smithers2 on Jun 9, 2018 19:12:48 GMT
Just heard that Phil Salt scored 94 today for Brighton in a drawn match at Horsham.According to my source who watched the whole match some of his strokes were simply sublime.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jun 10, 2018 13:17:19 GMT
Salt can score 60 odd off 40 odd against one of the best international sides yet can't even get a game in the RL Cup. Criminal. He should have left if he wants to further his career because Sussex is the hardest place for a young man to do it. As predicted, another pathetic RL Cup campaign at Sussex. Someone remind me, why are we using Kolpaks again? Zzzzzzz.... |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jun 10, 2018 13:18:59 GMT
Salt can score 60 odd off 40 odd against one of the best international sides yet can't even get a game in the RL Cup. Criminal. He should have left if he wants to further his career because Sussex is the hardest place for a young man to do it. As predicted, another pathetic RL Cup campaign at Sussex. Someone remind me, why are we using Kolpaks again? I’m not sure it’s a Kolpak issue. Van Zyl has missed much of the RLODC and Wiese has arguably been our best player this season. Where I would agree is that Salt may not have had a fair crack of the whip by having to open. He may have had more success down at six, say, where Michael Burgess has performed well. Our main problem is openers, particularly when Luke Wells fails. England seem to have the same problem. Quite right, but the usual agenda against Kolpaks means they’ll get the blame by some. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 10, 2018 15:52:50 GMT
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Post by jonboy on Jun 10, 2018 21:44:48 GMT
By all accounts, Salt is a talented youngster, but needs to learn some consistency in the seconds He was outshone last season at that level, by a batsman we released
I think it was that big century he scored in the second eleven friendly against Glamorgan, that led to him perhaps being a little overhyped It was that innings against the Welsh side that probably sparked their interest
Maybe, to get him to re-sign, we had to promise him game time If that was the case, I wouldn't be too happy about that arrangement Players should have to earn their place in the side, and then perform, if they want to stay in
In my opinion, Salt has done neither.
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 14, 2018 14:34:08 GMT
Salt can score 60 odd off 40 odd against one of the best international sides yet can't even get a game in the RL Cup. Criminal. He should have left if he wants to further his career because Sussex is the hardest place for a young man to do it. As predicted, another pathetic RL Cup campaign at Sussex. Someone remind me, why are we using Kolpaks again? I’m not sure it’s a Kolpak issue. Van Zyl has missed much of the RLODC and Wiese has arguably been our best player this season. Where I would agree is that Salt may not have had a fair crack of the whip by having to open. He may have had more success down at six, say, where Michael Burgess has performed well. Our main problem is openers, particularly when Luke Wells fails. England seem to have the same problem. Performance isn't a Kolpak issue. The point I'm making, which Ashington is completely oblivious to, is that there's no point having them if the team are performing badly. We couldn't be much worse off positionally if we were playing two homegrown players instead. But what we then would have is a development and longevity strategy and because the homies would be cheaper we would also likely have money aside to get a much needed overseas opener for the rest of the season. I don't blame any Kolpak player, I would do the same if I had the opportunity. I lay the blame squarely at the Sussex management. If we're doing well with them I have nothing much to say, although I'm against it regardless, but if we're struggling away going nowhere, what's the point in having them? I'd rather develop for the future if we're going nowhere, why wouldn't anybody? All the talk in pre season was about homegrown development but more often than not we have three or four homegrown players in the eleven. It was nonsense. Salt should be playing regardless of Kolpaks, especially in one day cricket, but if we didn't have Kolpaks we would have an overseas opener and Salt could take up his natural position at 5/6 and we'd see what he's about. And with all that, we couldn't be much worse off positionally than we are now, which is the main point. You're like most the old Inner Circle Ashington, kinda pre-judgmental. You're alright though Phil : ) |
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Jun 20, 2018 13:39:36 GMT
So what you’re saying is that there’s no point in playing Kolpaks if the team is doing badly, even if the Kolpaks are performing well...unbelievable.
As for being pre-judgemental, sorry, who’s the one anti-Kolpak players before they’ve even picked up a bat or ball?
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Post by liquidskin on Jun 20, 2018 20:30:41 GMT
Nigel Farage?
That's right Einstein, glad you've finally grasped it.
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Post by imranswife1 on Dec 26, 2018 5:51:59 GMT
Strong rumours persist that we have the Aussie's once again in a friendly this summer.
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