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Post by jonboy on May 7, 2019 21:46:01 GMT
Give some credit to Glamorgan for a record run chase. Their highest run chase in 50 over cricket, and the highest ever run chase at Hove. Sometimes you lose to the better team on the day. Having watched parts of the match on TV, I was struck by the number of spectators who had left the ground well before the end of the match. Yes well done Glamorgan, but these days, most teams are better than us |
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Post by coverpoint on May 7, 2019 22:02:04 GMT
Give some credit to Glamorgan for a record run chase. Their highest run chase in 50 over cricket, and the highest ever run chase at Hove. Sometimes you lose to the better team on the day. Having watched parts of the match on TV, I was struck by the number of spectators who had left the ground well before the end of the match. That's because we were ****! |
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Post by deepfineleg on May 8, 2019 6:57:46 GMT
Having watched parts of the match on TV, I was struck by the number of spectators who had left the ground well before the end of the match. Given about a third of the crowd were schools attending Sussex Cricket's Schools' Day and, more important, it was getting cold by 8pm (Night games in England should be restricted to mid summer). There were a handful of families who arrived late afternoon. |
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Post by flashblade on May 8, 2019 7:14:28 GMT
Having watched parts of the match on TV, I was struck by the number of spectators who had left the ground well before the end of the match. Given about a third of the crowd were schools attending Sussex Cricket's Schools' Day and, more important, it was getting cold by 8pm (Night games in England should be restricted to mid summer). There were a handful of families who arrived late afternoon. At this time of the year, a 1:00 start is crazy. Why do Sky want to turn a normal 1 day match into a day/night match? The answer surely is that TV viewers are more important than 'real' cricket watchers. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 9, 2019 15:44:33 GMT
I have been away this week and followed the Gloucestershire and Glamorgan games from afar. After discovering Sussex had amassed 347 on Tuesday versus Glamorgan, the confidence of a win and an outside chance of qualifying was electric. To find out the next day, the team could not even defend this score was an absolute shock.
It is difficult to make a firm judgment so early on in the season, but it becomes obvious just how inconsistent and temperamental the side are. We are relying on individual batsmen to get high scores and get us over the line. There is no consistency from the top order where our Kolpaks are winning us matches far more than the youngsters. In fact, the youngsters, it seems, still have another two or three years of development before reaching (hopefully) a level of potential to make us a winnable side.
Then add to that the loss of Archer and Jordan to England for periods of the season and now, the potential disappearance of Salt, I do wonder whether our hopes of trophy success this season is rationally possible. The management have decided to go with the youngsters, but they need, especially the young bowlers, to grow and improve at a faster rate than presently. Finally, we come to Captain Brown whom after a very indifferent start, seems far more confident and able when he has Wright at the other end of the pitch and in the field offering advice.
After the recent two European football semi-finals, we know that "the impossible is the possible", but I do wonder whether we should "not" be getting our hopes up too high for this season in case of grave disappointment.
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Post by jonboy on May 9, 2019 16:25:00 GMT
I have been away this week and followed the Gloucestershire and Glamorgan games from afar. After discovering Sussex had amassed 347 on Tuesday versus Glamorgan, the confidence of a win and an outside chance of qualifying was electric. To find out the next day, the team could not even defend this score was an absolute shock. It is difficult to make a firm judgment so early on in the season, but it becomes obvious just how inconsistent and temperamental the side are. We are relying on individual batsmen to get high scores and get us over the line. There is no consistency from the top order where our Kolpaks are winning us matches far more than the youngsters. In fact, the youngsters, it seems, still have another two or three years of development before reaching (hopefully) a level of potential to make us a winnable side. Then add to that the loss of Archer and Jordan to England for periods of the season and now, the potential disappearance of Salt, I do wonder whether our hopes of trophy success this season is rationally possible. The management have decided to go with the youngsters, but they need, especially the young bowlers, to grow and improve at a faster rate than presently. Finally, we come to Captain Brown whom after a very indifferent start, seems far more confident and able when he has Wright at the other end of the pitch and in the field offering advice. After the recent two European football semi-finals, we know that "the impossible is the possible", but I do wonder whether we should "not" be getting our hopes up too high for this season in case of grave disappointment. As long as we make significant progress, then I think people will be happy. I suppose we have made progress, with a better points tally in this years 50 over competition. Making similar progress in the other two competitions, will see us crowned T20 winners, and a place in the top division Anything less than that, would be deemed as failure |
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Post by joe on May 9, 2019 16:51:30 GMT
I have been away this week and followed the Gloucestershire and Glamorgan games from afar. After discovering Sussex had amassed 347 on Tuesday versus Glamorgan, the confidence of a win and an outside chance of qualifying was electric. To find out the next day, the team could not even defend this score was an absolute shock. It is difficult to make a firm judgment so early on in the season, but it becomes obvious just how inconsistent and temperamental the side are. We are relying on individual batsmen to get high scores and get us over the line. There is no consistency from the top order where our Kolpaks are winning us matches far more than the youngsters. In fact, the youngsters, it seems, still have another two or three years of development before reaching (hopefully) a level of potential to make us a winnable side. Then add to that the loss of Archer and Jordan to England for periods of the season and now, the potential disappearance of Salt, I do wonder whether our hopes of trophy success this season is rationally possible. The management have decided to go with the youngsters, but they need, especially the young bowlers, to grow and improve at a faster rate than presently. Finally, we come to Captain Brown whom after a very indifferent start, seems far more confident and able when he has Wright at the other end of the pitch and in the field offering advice. After the recent two European football semi-finals, we know that "the impossible is the possible", but I do wonder whether we should "not" be getting our hopes up too high for this season in case of grave disappointment. I know I keep championing Garton but if you look at the stats for our RLOD campaign he comes out very favourably and in fact 2nd only to Hamza in averages and 3rd just behind Beer and Briggs in economy. I don’t think we can ask too much more than that of a lad in his first run of games with the 1st XI. |
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Post by joe on May 9, 2019 16:53:51 GMT
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 9, 2019 21:45:48 GMT
Joe,
Thanks for that. The averages sum up my comments rather well.
The top four batsmen are either senior players or Kolpaks. The best of the youngsters, Salt, may be disappearing off to England. Our great youngster promise, Finch, languishes with an average of 23.42 which is not nearly good enough and Captain Brown attains 28.66 that for a leading Sussex batsman and Captain is, to say the least, poor.
As for the bowlers, our leading wicket-taker is Hamza who'll be soon departing for Pakistan and our most promising youngster, Garton, has taken just 9 wickets from 8 matches or a wicket a game. This doesn't make for happy reading.
My point is, 'just perhaps', we should lower our expectations for this season given this early form.
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Post by jonboy on May 9, 2019 23:28:28 GMT
Joe, Thanks for that. The averages sum up my comments rather well. The top four batsmen are either senior players or Kolpaks. The best of the youngsters, Salt, may be disappearing off to England. Our great youngster promise, Finch, languishes with an average of 23.42 which is not nearly good enough and Captain Brown attains 28.66 that for a leading Sussex batsman and Captain is, to say the least, poor. As for the bowlers, our leading wicket-taker is Hamza who'll be soon departing for Pakistan and our most promising youngster, Garton, has taken just 9 wickets from 8 matches or a wicket a game. This doesn't make for happy reading. My point is, 'just perhaps', we should lower our expectations for this season given this early form. or try to put pressure on the club to provide a competitive playing budget |
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Post by joe on May 10, 2019 0:29:02 GMT
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You’ve missed the point completely. You singled out the younger bowlers as part of the reason we didn’t progress in the tournament. That is not the case with regard to Garton.
What you’ve failed to see is that Garton bowled 30 overs less than Wiese, Hamza, Beer and Briggs.
Garton has 9 wickets @ 29, Wiese 6 wickets @ 62, Beer 7 wickets @ 46 and Briggs 11 wickets @ 37. Therefore he was one of the best bowlers on display. To average under 30 with an economy rate under 6 is very good bowling in limited overs cricket whatever the age!
It’s very easy to blame the younger players but in this instance you are wrong.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 10, 2019 8:04:49 GMT
Joe,
Sorry, but you have missed the point.
The reason for our humiliating defeat against Glamorgan was because a) we didn't take sufficient wickets to put them under pressure
early on and b) the bowlers gave away too many runs.
I am not blaming the younger bowlers. I am just saying that seamers like Garton, Sakande etc. still have a fair way to go before reaching
their potential. I don't believe people realise just how much we are going to miss Archer. There is no-one close in the ranks to his ability.
The Club made third place in the Championship largely due to him taking well over 50 wickets and scoring over 500 runs. Can you see Garton,
Sakande etc. achieving this? Robinson could come close, but it was his 70 odd wickets that supported Archer. Our two spinners are top notch,
so no problems there.
I am not trying to put a downer on this season so early on, but perhaps, we should be a little more realistic about our chances for 2019?
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Post by joe on May 10, 2019 8:48:56 GMT
With all due respect there’s no one in ANY county side close to the ranks of Archers ability but I think you do a disservice to Ollie Robinson to say he played a supporting role to Archer last season. He was THE stand out bowler for us.
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Post by jonboy on May 10, 2019 8:51:56 GMT
Joe, Sorry, but you have missed the point. The reason for our humiliating defeat against Glamorgan was because a) we didn't take sufficient wickets to put them under pressure early on and b) the bowlers gave away too many runs. I am not blaming the younger bowlers. I am just saying that seamers like Garton, Sakande etc. still have a fair way to go before reaching their potential. I don't believe people realise just how much we are going to miss Archer. There is no-one close in the ranks to his ability. The Club made third place in the Championship largely due to him taking well over 50 wickets and scoring over 500 runs. Can you see Garton, Sakande etc. achieving this? Robinson could come close, but it was his 70 odd wickets that supported Archer. Our two spinners are top notch, so no problems there. I am not trying to put a downer on this season so early on, but perhaps, we should be a little more realistic about our chances for 2019? I expect Garton and Sakande to progress steadily. However, steadily is the key, if will take games, and time, for them to reach their potential, we need help in the meantime. It’s not unusual to have a couple of your front line bowlers injured at any one time, and we knew we would probably be missing Jordan and Archer The latter, if he continues to progress, will pretty much be with England on a permanent basis. We don’t have the depth of seam bowling to cope, nor batting either, but more importantly, we don’t have the quality needed to be competitive. The obvious way to remedy that, was to bring in a match winning overseas player. Have we done that? I’d say Hamza, on what we’ve seen so far, is steady, rather than spectacular. At most counties, you would expect the overseas player to be your best player. I’m not even sure he is our best bowler |
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Post by joe on May 10, 2019 9:51:27 GMT
With all due respect there’s no one in ANY county side close to the ranks of Archers ability but I think you do a disservice to Ollie Robinson to say he played a supporting role to Archer last season. He was THE stand out bowler for us. Archer scored 170 runs @17 and took 42 wickets in the 2018 County Championship. So yes I think Garton can do as well if he continues to improve the way he has been and is given a good run of games. |
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