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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2019 12:15:33 GMT
Why aren't we able to develop our young players like other counties?
Somerset, they have 17 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Abell, Bartlett, Bess,Byrom, Gilchirst, Green, Gregory, Hildreth, Lammonby, Leach, C Overton, J Overton, Rouse, Sale, Trego, Trescothick and Waller).
Surrey have 16 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Burns, Dernbach, Atkinson, Clarke, S Curran, T Curran, Dunn, Harinath, Jacks, Meaker, Patel, Pope, Roy, Smith, Van den Bergh and Virdi).
Essex have 15 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Browne, Chopra, Cook, Khushi, Lawrence, Westley, Bopara, Pepper, Wheater, Beard, Cook, Nijjar, Plom, Porter and Walter).
Yorkshire have 19 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Bairstow, Bresnan, Kohler-Cadmore, Coad, Leaning, Lyth, Patterson, Rashid, Root, Barnes, Brook, Carver, Fisher, Logan, Shaw, Tattersall, Thompson, Waite and Warner).
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Post by flashblade on Jul 21, 2019 12:24:52 GMT
Why aren't we able to develop our young players like other counties? Somerset, they have 17 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Abell, Bartlett, Bess,Byrom, Gilchirst, Green, Gregory, Hildreth, Lammonby, Leach, C Overton, J Overton, Rouse, Sale, Trego, Trescothick and Waller). Surrey have 16 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Burns, Dernbach, Atkinson, Clarke, S Curran, T Curran, Dunn, Harinath, Jacks, Meaker, Patel, Pope, Roy, Smith, Van den Bergh and Virdi). Essex have 15 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Browne, Chopra, Cook, Khushi, Lawrence, Westley, Bopara, Pepper, Wheater, Beard, Cook, Nijjar, Plom, Porter and Walter). Yorkshire have 19 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Bairstow, Bresnan, Kohler-Cadmore, Coad, Leaning, Lyth, Patterson, Rashid, Root, Barnes, Brook, Carver, Fisher, Logan, Shaw, Tattersall, Thompson, Waite and Warner). I don't want to be unfair to Keith Greenfield, but isn't this his responsibility? |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 21, 2019 15:12:52 GMT
Why aren't we able to develop our young players like other counties? Somerset, they have 17 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Abell, Bartlett, Bess,Byrom, Gilchirst, Green, Gregory, Hildreth, Lammonby, Leach, C Overton, J Overton, Rouse, Sale, Trego, Trescothick and Waller). Surrey have 16 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Burns, Dernbach, Atkinson, Clarke, S Curran, T Curran, Dunn, Harinath, Jacks, Meaker, Patel, Pope, Roy, Smith, Van den Bergh and Virdi). Essex have 15 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Browne, Chopra, Cook, Khushi, Lawrence, Westley, Bopara, Pepper, Wheater, Beard, Cook, Nijjar, Plom, Porter and Walter). Yorkshire have 19 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Bairstow, Bresnan, Kohler-Cadmore, Coad, Leaning, Lyth, Patterson, Rashid, Root, Barnes, Brook, Carver, Fisher, Logan, Shaw, Tattersall, Thompson, Waite and Warner). Think it’s a fair point, but then we don’t operate a squad of 26-27 At a lot of counties, Under19 internationals would be on the staff, we choose to operate a skeleton staff |
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Post by flashblade on Jul 21, 2019 15:23:44 GMT
Why aren't we able to develop our young players like other counties? Somerset, they have 17 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Abell, Bartlett, Bess,Byrom, Gilchirst, Green, Gregory, Hildreth, Lammonby, Leach, C Overton, J Overton, Rouse, Sale, Trego, Trescothick and Waller). Surrey have 16 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Burns, Dernbach, Atkinson, Clarke, S Curran, T Curran, Dunn, Harinath, Jacks, Meaker, Patel, Pope, Roy, Smith, Van den Bergh and Virdi). Essex have 15 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Browne, Chopra, Cook, Khushi, Lawrence, Westley, Bopara, Pepper, Wheater, Beard, Cook, Nijjar, Plom, Porter and Walter). Yorkshire have 19 players on the staff who came through their Academy (Bairstow, Bresnan, Kohler-Cadmore, Coad, Leaning, Lyth, Patterson, Rashid, Root, Barnes, Brook, Carver, Fisher, Logan, Shaw, Tattersall, Thompson, Waite and Warner). Think it’s a fair point, but then we don’t operate a squad of 26-27 At a lot of counties, Under19 internationals would be on the staff, we choose to operate a skeleton staff So how is Greenfield supposed to produce the players of the future? |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2019 16:10:43 GMT
Think it’s a fair point, but then we don’t operate a squad of 26-27 At a lot of counties, Under19 internationals would be on the staff, we choose to operate a skeleton staff So how is Greenfield supposed to produce the players of the future? It's the coaches underneath him role to produce the players of the future.
We have 24 players at the moment of which only 10 are homegrown which is a poor outcome. At least 50% should be homegrown. We managed 11 homegrown when we had 18 players in 2006 as Rana and Arafat did a job share. Double the number of players (14 vs 7) from outside the county but half the quality. What is most noticeable is that the quality of players signed from outside Sussex has markedly dropped. In 2006 we had Adams, Goodwin, Montgomerie and Mushtaq Ahmed. What do we have now?
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Post by jonboy on Jul 21, 2019 16:48:10 GMT
So how is Greenfield supposed to produce the players of the future? It's the coaches underneath him role to produce the players of the future.
We have 24 players at the moment of which only 10 are homegrown which is a poor outcome. At least 50% should be homegrown. We managed 11 homegrown when we had 18 players in 2006 as Rana and Arafat did a job share. Double the number of players (14 vs 7) from outside the county but half the quality. What is most noticeable is that the quality of players signed from outside Sussex has markedly dropped. In 2006 we had Adams, Goodwin, Montgomerie and Mushtaq Ahmed. What do we have now?
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We are panicking now because we never prepared for the season properly Starting with only 19 full time staffers was totally inadequate. That’s why we’ve had to bring in a succession of loans and trialists, and ended up giving a contract to Thomason, who is no better than Hudson-Prentice who we released. Are we not producing enough of our own? For a small county, like Sussex, I think if 50% of your staff came through the system, you are doing well. Yes, if we can manage to produce more, then that’s a bonus. If we choose to operate a small staff, then logically, that means less opportunities for younger players to grab a squad place. Do we operate a smaller squad, to save money, or because the players we are producing aren’t good enough? I’m not sure, but I would suggest, for example, that a player like Harrison Ward, would already be on the staff at most other counties |
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Post by joe on Jul 21, 2019 16:48:30 GMT
I only make it 8 who’ve come up through the age groups.
Rawlins and Salt came into the academy late, cant count them as homegrown.
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Post by joe on Jul 21, 2019 16:54:02 GMT
We’re a bit thin on the ground for coaches too. No bowling coach, no fielding coach and now no batting coach. And a part-time head coach.
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Post by jonboy on Jul 21, 2019 17:07:48 GMT
I only make it 8 who’ve come up through the age groups. Rawlins and Salt came into the academy late, cant count them as homegrown. Not in the truest sense, but I think you can call them homegrown. There’s maybe a case for Archer as well. He was around the club for a good three years before he actually joined the staff. We classed Jason Lewry as home grown, but he didn’t join until much later |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
I only make it 8 who’ve come up through the age groups. Rawlins and Salt came into the academy late, cant count them as homegrown. Came through the Academy so they count. |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2019 19:06:30 GMT
We’re a bit thin on the ground for coaches too. No bowling coach, no fielding coach and now no batting coach. And a part-time head coach. That is the biggest no leadership. |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 21, 2019 19:08:23 GMT
It's the coaches underneath him role to produce the players of the future.
We have 24 players at the moment of which only 10 are homegrown which is a poor outcome. At least 50% should be homegrown. We managed 11 homegrown when we had 18 players in 2006 as Rana and Arafat did a job share. Double the number of players (14 vs 7) from outside the county but half the quality. What is most noticeable is that the quality of players signed from outside Sussex has markedly dropped. In 2006 we had Adams, Goodwin, Montgomerie and Mushtaq Ahmed. What do we have now?
2006
2019
We are panicking now because we never prepared for the season properly Starting with only 19 full time staffers was totally inadequate. That’s why we’ve had to bring in a succession of loans and trialists, and ended up giving a contract to Thomason, who is no better than Hudson-Prentice who we released. Are we not producing enough of our own? For a small county, like Sussex, I think if 50% of your staff came through the system, you are doing well. Yes, if we can manage to produce more, then that’s a bonus. If we choose to operate a small staff, then logically, that means less opportunities for younger players to grab a squad place. Do we operate a smaller squad, to save money, or because the players we are producing aren’t good enough? I’m not sure, but I would suggest, for example, that a player like Harrison Ward, would already be on the staff at most other counties I disagree about the smaller squad meaning less opportunities for younger players. We had 11 homegrown players out of 18 in 2006. The difference between now and then is that in 2006 we imported quality (Adams, Goodwin, Montgomerie and Mushtaq) rather than rubbish. |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 23, 2019 14:21:22 GMT
The person you should address your concerns to is Richard Halsall. He joined the Club 16 months ago as Academy Director. sussexcricket.co.uk/news/richard-halsall-appointed-academy-directorThere has to be a problem within the Academy given the quality and standard of players who have come through in the last 10 years or so. Luke Wells appeared with so much promise and yet has not gone on to be the star player for the Club. Apart from Archer and Salt who obviously stand above the rest, I question what has gone wrong with the system. Have the Club simply been unlucky eg. Machan? Here is an interview with Halsall from March 2019. "We're not very good at picking players early on..." A pity that Sam Keir doesn't ask more probing questions. It doesn't matter how much hard work you put in, if the talent isn't there, it may come to nowt. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgOrLAdhdD8 |
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Post by jonboy on Jul 24, 2019 14:00:55 GMT
Another thing I’d question, is our link ups with Oxfordshire, Norfolk and Guernsey. In principle, it’s a good idea, as it broadens the net from which we hope to recruit, but how many players from those counties have we brought onto the staff? Meanwhile, several players from Norfolk and Oxfordshire are now making their way in the game with other counties. We have had Jenner from the Channel Islands, and latterly, Ward from Oxfordshire, but neither has so far managed to get a place on the staff
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 24, 2019 18:25:15 GMT
It would help if once you promote them you play them. H-P has played about the same amount of games for Derby in three weeks as he did for Sussex in two years. Obviously if he'd have done for us what he has for them in his first three games things would be different but if you're passing judgement on anyone in that space of time, especially a 20 year old, you're an imbecile. I've no real problem with making judgements between academy and pro contract but once the pro contract is earnt, use it.
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