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Post by coverpoint on Nov 26, 2020 13:41:52 GMT
If the counties are so desperate to screw the members for money why don't do themselves a favour and announce the bloody fixture list now before people buying their Christmas presents. A massive missed marketing opportunity. Do none of the counties possess any marketing or commercial nous?
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Post by flashblade on Nov 26, 2020 13:55:22 GMT
If the counties are so desperate to screw the members for money why don't do themselves a favour and announce the bloody fixture list now before people buying their Christmas presents. A massive missed marketing opportunity. Do none of the counties possess any marketing or commercial nous? I guess they won't want to fix the fixtures until they know when spectators will be allowed back. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 26, 2020 14:25:19 GMT
If the counties are so desperate to screw the members for money why don't do themselves a favour and announce the bloody fixture list now before people buying their Christmas presents. A massive missed marketing opportunity. Do none of the counties possess any marketing or commercial nous? I guess they won't want to fix the fixtures until they know when spectators will be allowed back. Spectators are allowed back in tier 2 areas from next Wednesday. Tier 2 - lower of 2,000 or 50% of total capacity Tier 3 - no crowd |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 26, 2020 15:06:52 GMT
I guess they won't want to fix the fixtures until they know when spectators will be allowed back. Spectators are allowed back in tier 2 areas from next Wednesday. Tier 2 - lower of 2,000 or 50% of total capacity Tier 3 - no crowd but those are temporary levels, and clubs would need higher attendances to warrant opening the gates, don't you think? |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 26, 2020 15:55:10 GMT
Spectators are allowed back in tier 2 areas from next Wednesday. Tier 2 - lower of 2,000 or 50% of total capacity Tier 3 - no crowd but those are temporary levels, and clubs would need higher attendances to warrant opening the gates, don't you think? No the Amex is reopening. Arsenal are set to allow 2,000 fans attend our Europa League group game against Rapid Vienna on December 3rd. |
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Post by kevininnessupersub on Nov 26, 2020 16:48:46 GMT
and Paul Barber said they will be losing money by reopening to such a small crowd.
Unfortunately Sussex can’t afford that luxury.
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 26, 2020 17:29:46 GMT
and Paul Barber said they will be losing money by reopening to such a small crowd. Unfortunately Sussex can’t afford that luxury. Difference is they have fixtures now and Sussex don't. Sussex don't play until April but if they don't announce the fixtures now they may lose vital income as people may spend their money elsewhere. |
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Post by gmdf on Nov 26, 2020 18:51:24 GMT
It seems to me unlikely that we will know whether full crowds (highly unlikely), socially distanced reduced crowds (possibly) or no crowds at all (also possible) will be allowed in cricket grounds until just before the new season starts - if then.
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 26, 2020 19:34:08 GMT
Business cannot afford to miss vital income by dithering and missing opportunities that exist to sell their products or they will fold. If Sussex wait for the government to act or covid to disappear they will be waiting until 2022.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 26, 2020 21:28:26 GMT
Business cannot afford to miss vital income by dithering and missing opportunities that exist to sell their products or they will fold. If Sussex wait for the government to act or covid to disappear they will be waiting until 2022. No good having 'vital income' from small attendances if the costs of staging the match are greater than the income. Premiership football can afford some loss leaders - most cricket counties can't. You can't sell the product until you have a fixture schedule, and you can't have a fixture schedule until you are certain that you stage the matches profitably. Much will depend on the timing of the roll out of the vaccine(s). If you don't agree, then what should the counties actually do to avoid "dithering and missing opportunities"? |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 27, 2020 4:15:38 GMT
Business cannot afford to miss vital income by dithering and missing opportunities that exist to sell their products or they will fold. If Sussex wait for the government to act or covid to disappear they will be waiting until 2022. No good having 'vital income' from small attendances if the costs of staging the match are greater than the income. Premiership football can afford some loss leaders - most cricket counties can't. You can't sell the product until you have a fixture schedule, and you can't have a fixture schedule until you are certain that you stage the matches profitably. Much will depend on the timing of the roll out of the vaccine(s). If you don't agree, then what should the counties actually do to avoid "dithering and missing opportunities"? Lets be honest at the moment businesses need cashflow to survive. Businesses can survive without profit but not cashflow. Sussex are not getting any cashflow by doing nothing. Without cashflow Sussex will fold irrespective of profitability. They can't furlough forever and any other grants or loans available pail into insignificance because they still have other bills to pay in the off season. Trust me I know because the company I know are in the exact same position. I am urging my CEO to get the detail required to get the ticket online for 7th and 14th December as all tickets must be pre-sold because of track and trace and SGSA regulations. Time is of the essence if we are to maximise sales as a lot of the costs of staging race meetings whether behind closed doors or with crowds will be incurred regardless. I also think they will miss out on revenue as while people have money now they may not have in April once furlough ends. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 27, 2020 9:05:11 GMT
No good having 'vital income' from small attendances if the costs of staging the match are greater than the income. Premiership football can afford some loss leaders - most cricket counties can't. You can't sell the product until you have a fixture schedule, and you can't have a fixture schedule until you are certain that you stage the matches profitably. Much will depend on the timing of the roll out of the vaccine(s). If you don't agree, then what should the counties actually do to avoid "dithering and missing opportunities"? Lets be honest at the moment businesses need cashflow to survive. Businesses can survive without profit but not cashflow. Sussex are not getting any cashflow by doing nothing. Without cashflow Sussex will fold irrespective of profitability. They can't furlough forever and any other grants or loans available pail into insignificance because they still have other bills to pay in the off season. Trust me I know because the company I know are in the exact same position. I am urging my CEO to get the detail required to get the ticket online for 7th and 14th December as all tickets must be pre-sold because of track and trace and SGSA regulations. Time is of the essence if we are to maximise sales as a lot of the costs of staging race meetings whether behind closed doors or with crowds will be incurred regardless. I also think they will miss out on revenue as while people have money now they may not have in April once furlough ends. Does staging race meetings behind closed doors produce positive cash flow? |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 27, 2020 10:16:53 GMT
Lets be honest at the moment businesses need cashflow to survive. Businesses can survive without profit but not cashflow. Sussex are not getting any cashflow by doing nothing. Without cashflow Sussex will fold irrespective of profitability. They can't furlough forever and any other grants or loans available pail into insignificance because they still have other bills to pay in the off season. Trust me I know because the company I know are in the exact same position. I am urging my CEO to get the detail required to get the ticket online for 7th and 14th December as all tickets must be pre-sold because of track and trace and SGSA regulations. Time is of the essence if we are to maximise sales as a lot of the costs of staging race meetings whether behind closed doors or with crowds will be incurred regardless. I also think they will miss out on revenue as while people have money now they may not have in April once furlough ends. Does staging race meetings behind closed doors produce positive cash flow? It should do for smaller courses maybe not larger courses where up to 80% of revenue relates to crowds. If Sussex don't have any crowds until the restrictions are totally removed they will run out of cash. Businesses have to get cash in as the bills still have to be paid. There maybe loans (which have to ultimately be repaid), grants, furlough, rates rebate but there are still many unavoidable overheads for a sporting organisation. You cannot survive by simply mothballing the business. |
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Post by flashblade on Nov 27, 2020 11:14:46 GMT
Does staging race meetings behind closed doors produce positive cash flow? It should do for smaller courses maybe not larger courses where up to 80% of revenue relates to crowds. If Sussex don't have any crowds until the restrictions are totally removed they will run out of cash. Businesses have to get cash in as the bills still have to be paid. There maybe loans (which have to ultimately be repaid), grants, furlough, rates rebate but there are still many unavoidable overheads for a sporting organisation. You cannot survive by simply mothballing the business. I don't see how Sussex can produce positive cash flow by playing behind closed doors. If they are allowed 2000 spectators, they'll have to decide whether this would improve cash flow, taking into account the additional costs of providing a Covid safe environment. Not sure that you or I are in a position to do the sums for them. Temporary mothballing (which we have at present) is the only way some businesses can survive the pandemic. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 27, 2020 11:26:50 GMT
It should do for smaller courses maybe not larger courses where up to 80% of revenue relates to crowds. If Sussex don't have any crowds until the restrictions are totally removed they will run out of cash. Businesses have to get cash in as the bills still have to be paid. There maybe loans (which have to ultimately be repaid), grants, furlough, rates rebate but there are still many unavoidable overheads for a sporting organisation. You cannot survive by simply mothballing the business. I don't see how Sussex can produce positive cash flow by playing behind closed doors. If they are allowed 2000 spectators, they'll have to decide whether this would improve cash flow, taking into account the additional costs of providing a Covid safe environment. Not sure that you or I are in a position to do the sums for them. Temporary mothballing (which we have at present) is the only way some businesses can survive the pandemic. The reality is with 2,000 fans, which is more than they would get for a typical championship match, it is possible to produce a positive cash flow if managed properly. There is no reason not to announce the fixtures and put tickets online. No cost involved with either of these measures but could generate income. Government handouts will end soon and businesses need to be more self-sufficient instead of sponging off the taxpayer. Personally I have not got a penny out of furlough but will be expected to contribute towards the cost of covid which I think is fundamentally wrong. It was the government's decision to piss money up the wall on furlough, SEISS, bail out loans and give their mates many millions of pounds in PPE contract despite having no previous experience. I don't see why I should have to pay a penny towards this when I have not claimed anything personally. Loan has to be paid back with interest. Without government help they would have no option but to get on with it. |
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