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Post by flashblade on Nov 27, 2020 13:20:31 GMT
I don't see how Sussex can produce positive cash flow by playing behind closed doors. If they are allowed 2000 spectators, they'll have to decide whether this would improve cash flow, taking into account the additional costs of providing a Covid safe environment. Not sure that you or I are in a position to do the sums for them. Temporary mothballing (which we have at present) is the only way some businesses can survive the pandemic. The reality is with 2,000 fans, which is more than they would get for a typical championship match, it is possible to produce a positive cash flow if managed properly. There is no reason not to announce the fixtures and put tickets online. No cost involved with either of these measures but could generate income. Why are you so keen to see the fixtures? They would only be provisional, and no-one wants to book for provisional dates, do they? Can't see why you're so exercised about this. You're not responsible for Sussex's finances.Government handouts will end soon and businesses need to be more self-sufficient instead of sponging off the taxpayer. Personally I have not got a penny out of furlough but will be expected to contribute towards the cost of covid which I think is fundamentally wrong. It was the government's decision to piss money up the wall on furlough, SEISS, bail out loans and give their mates many millions of pounds in PPE contract despite having no previous experience. I don't see why I should have to pay a penny towards this when I have not claimed anything personally. That's not how a civilised society works, is it? We don't exist in our own individual financial bubbles. Using your logic, when the pandemic is over, we should be placing the extra tax burden on those that we financially cushioned during the pandemic, to avoid you being burdened by those less fortunate than you. You sound very angry and frustrated.Loan has to be paid back with interest. Without government help they would have no option but to get on with it. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 27, 2020 14:43:06 GMT
People have money now which they may not have by the time the fixtures become available due to a change in circumstances and therefore better to get money in while you can as we are heading for a financial crisis once furlough ends.
I'm not sure the three million people who have been excluded from receiving any financial support at all would agree with you.
The government has wasted tens of billions of pounds of taxpayers money without needing to do so for example according to the national audit office on PPE they should have ensured there were adequate stocks in place beforehand after all we had a test event in 2016 from which no lessons seem to have been learned.
I think the government has rushed out legislation without thinking it through properly and has as a result wasted money saving jobs which are going to be lost anyway. I think any furlough claimed where subsequently the employer then let the employee go should have had to pay back any furlough claimed for that employee in full. There have been too many companies who have milked the furlough scheme with absolutely no intention of retaining staff at the other end.
How many of the bounce back loans are never going to be repaid or have been used by individuals to purchase property or cars which is not the purpose for which it was designed?
The average person under SEISS has received double what those under furlough received. Why was SEISS so generous especially as they were still able to work unlike furlough initially?
Eat out to spread the virus was an expensive unmitigated disaster.
I think those individuals who benefited from furlough and SEISS should be the ones to pay it back over a number of years through the taxation system.
We have accrued this massive debt because of Sunak spending money without any thought as to how we are ever going to pay it back. Has Sunak learned nothing from the last financial crisis?
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Post by flashblade on Nov 27, 2020 15:46:39 GMT
"People have money now which they may not have by the time the fixtures become available due to a change in circumstances and therefore better to get money in while you can as we are heading for a financial crisis once furlough ends."
Financial morality aside, we haven't got the fixtures, so we can't yet tempt our loyal customers to part with their money, whilst suspecting that they'll regret it when the summer comes.
This thread is about the 2021 fixtures, and maybe we shouldn't drift away into a general criticism of HM Government! However, I totally agree with you that Johnson's government this year has been pretty disastrous - and the consequences of the Brexit hoax haven't hit us yet, though it's apparent that many are now suffering from buyer's remorse. At least the US has seen the folly of electing a Populist government. Some lessons are learned the hard way, I guess.
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Post by longstop on Nov 27, 2020 20:36:42 GMT
I think it’s time to draw a line under the politics and stick to the thread title of 2021 fixtures. If politics is the main topic of a post, let’s go to the Off Topic section for that. Yes, I see the connection but let’s keep on course.
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 28, 2020 16:55:46 GMT
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Post by flashblade on Nov 28, 2020 17:29:25 GMT
Would this meeting be going ahead anyway, spectators or not? If so, I don't blame them for going for some additional income. How can you compare it with county cricket, when we know that spectator income is the only source of revenue? I know that the county fixtures are normally published in the last week of November, but there's no point scheduling fixtures until you know when, and broadly how many, spectators will be allowed. A successful vaccination programme should solve all these problems. I suspect most CC fans are willing to be patient about fixture releases, bearing in mind the difficult circumstances this year! I'd be interested to know whether anyone else is gagging for the 2021 fixtures? Edit: At the race meeting you quote "There will be restrictions in place on the track. People will have to be socially distanced and are required to wear a facemask. The 'rule of six' will apply outdoors and indoors people must sit with people within their family bubble." I can't imagine this working for Sussex members in the Spen Cama pavilion, particularly bearing in mind the demographic. |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 28, 2020 18:08:41 GMT
FB - If cricket goes in with the mindset crowds are never going to return they won't. Racing has proactively tried to get crowds back by showing it run racedays in a covid secure way. Cricket could do the same and get 2,000 people back in April if it wanted to. If it doesn't do this then has no grounds for asking the government for further financial support. With the greatest of respect FB I don't see why our members shouldn't be physically capable of socially distancing as they are currently having to do it all the time at the moment. Is wearing a face mask at a racecourse any different to wearing a face mask in a shop or supermarket? Those who are too scared have the option to stay at home.
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Post by flashblade on Nov 28, 2020 18:12:29 GMT
FB - If cricket goes in with the mindset crowds are never going to return they won't. Racing has proactively tried to get crowds back by showing it run racedays in a covid secure way. Cricket could do the same and get 2,000 people back in April if it wanted to. If it doesn't do this then has no grounds for asking the government for further financial support. With the greatest of respect FB I don't see why our members shouldn't be physically capable of socially distancing as they are currently having to do it all the time at the moment. I think you massively under judge the physical capability of British people to follow rules. No one queue better than the British. I think we'll have to agree to differ, CP. I'm sorry no-one else has yet contributed to our dialogue discussion.  |
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Post by coverpoint on Nov 28, 2020 18:18:48 GMT
Would this meeting be going ahead anyway, spectators or not? If so, I don't blame them for going for some additional income. How can you compare it with county cricket, when we know that spectator income is the only source of revenue? I know that the county fixtures are normally published in the last week of November, but there's no point scheduling fixtures until you know when, and broadly how many, spectators will be allowed. A successful vaccination programme should solve all these problems. I suspect most CC fans are willing to be patient about fixture releases, bearing in mind the difficult circumstances this year! I'd be interested to know whether anyone else is gagging for the 2021 fixtures? Edit: At the race meeting you quote "There will be restrictions in place on the track. People will have to be socially distanced and are required to wear a facemask. The 'rule of six' will apply outdoors and indoors people must sit with people within their family bubble." I can't imagine this working for Sussex members in the Spen Cama pavilion, particularly bearing in mind the demographic. For the record the demographic at cricket and racing is pretty similar. |
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