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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2021 16:40:06 GMT
Fb, Your dictionary definitions are mighty and fine, but in practice, woefully inaccurate. Can I please have a copy of the WC dictionary for future use?  Specifically, how does your definition differ?Brown has been the most unsuccessful captain in recent Sussex CCC history. I can't think of one as least successful. In kindness, he took on a poisoned chalice given the rapid decline of the team during the last 10 years, but his one chance of success, promoting the 2018 Championship side to Division 1, he failed at by falling at the final hurdles. I like Ben Brown, always have done, but he is not a leader when compared to previous Sussex captains. Even Ed Joyce was more successful and he wasn't a leader either. I wasn't for one moment defending Brown's captaincy. If you'd like to respond to my last message, I was taking issue with your seemingly callous and dismissive attitude towards him. If you were a little more woke, you might be inclined to cut him some slack. We don't know the whole story.
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Post by philh on Jul 28, 2021 19:29:29 GMT
I’ve never subscribed to all the criticism of Brown as a captain. I don’t think he has been outstanding by any means but he hasn’t had a strong team around him. It’s a lot easier skippering a side when you can throw the ball to Magoffin or Mushy and get the wicket you need. Or, know there’s a damn good chance that one or two of the top six will score enough.
I worry now that these promising youngsters need Brown there for some solidity. At least Head turns up, so it seems, whereas van Zyl, Jordan and others have disappeared from either the CC or RLODC.
I hope this doesn’t mean the end of Ben Brown. He’s an above average County player.
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 28, 2021 20:48:07 GMT
He's had Robinson Phil, pretty similar. The sensible thing would have been to take the gloves from him, not the captaincy. Initially at least. Another sensible thing to do was just say he isn't picked for 50 over cricket because he's never excelled there, then you don't open him up to the woke debate. Which, by the way Flash, doesn't mean what it used to. It's been hijacked.
Sensible and Sussex? Not so much. Andrew has never hid his priority. If you're a traditionalist, good luck. Although you might get it with a little patience from what I've seen.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 29, 2021 9:14:43 GMT
He's had Robinson Phil, pretty similar. The sensible thing would have been to take the gloves from him, not the captaincy. Initially at least. Another sensible thing to do was just say he isn't picked for 50 over cricket because he's never excelled there, then you don't open him up to the woke debate. Which, by the way Flash, doesn't mean what it used to. It's been hijacked.
Sensible and Sussex? Not so much. Andrew has never hid his priority. If you're a traditionalist, good luck. Although you might get it with a little patience from what I've seen. I get that. It seems to me that the definition hasn't changed or been hijacked, but the word is now often used to sneer at people who are sensitive to others' feelings. In other words, insensitive people accuse others of being 'woke'. Am I close on this one, LS? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 29, 2021 12:20:54 GMT
Fb, I agree with Ls about the word "Woke". It has been hijacked and guess by who? Primarily, Black Lives Matter, who not only cynically use racism to push its Marxist political agenda, but also had the gall to steal and then change the original meaning of "Woke". This from Merriam-Webster: The word woke became entwined with the Black Lives Matter movement; instead of just being a word that signaled awareness of injustice or racial tension, it became a word of action. Activists were woke and called on others to stay woke.Today, the word "Woke" has morphed into whatever your political views are: From a centrist point of view, like myself, "Woke" covers all manner of extreme far left-wing idiocy, from believing that former weight-lifter men who have transgendered, can now fairly compete in the women's section, or people can describe themselves as a pronoun, choosing not to accept that women or men exist. The lengths of insanity the extreme far left faction goes to is beyond belief. In my view, the word "Woke" covers all of this and more. The days when it meant injustice, awareness, fairness to all etc. is long gone. It is no surprise that the present Olympic Games is being referred to as "The Wokyo Games". Re: Ben Brown, to repeat I have always liked him and wished him well when appointed captain. My comments merely express what has been discussed on this Forum over the years. I agree, his appointment was a poisoned chalice, but some people are leaders and others are not. Below is an article I wrote about Brown back in 2017 when my early hopes remained high. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/26364/thread |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 30, 2021 19:17:17 GMT
Brown being made the scapegoat when it is Andrew, Greenfield and Salisbury that should be getting shown the exit door!
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Post by flashblade on Jul 30, 2021 20:46:38 GMT
Brown being made the scapegoat when it is Andrew, Greenfield and Salisbury that should be getting shown the exit door! Not sure why you'd want to get rid of Salisbury so quickly. Most fans seem to think he's building a promising young team. |
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 30, 2021 21:16:05 GMT
Brown being made the scapegoat when it is Andrew, Greenfield and Salisbury that should be getting shown the exit door! Not sure why you'd want to get rid of Salisbury so quickly. Most fans seem to think he's building a promising young team. I don't think we need two coaches and I think Kirtley is the better coach of the two. |
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Post by flashblade on Jul 31, 2021 9:35:03 GMT
Not sure why you'd want to get rid of Salisbury so quickly. Most fans seem to think he's building a promising young team. I don't think we need two coaches and I think Kirtley is the better coach of the two. TBF, we don't know why the club appointed 2 coaches, do we? Maybe it suited both individuals' personal circumstances. I would leave them both in place at this very early stage - it's too soon to judge, IMO. Why would we think Kirtley is a better coach? I don't know how his coaching experience compares with Salisbury's. |
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Post by liquidskin on Jul 31, 2021 9:44:25 GMT
He's had Robinson Phil, pretty similar. The sensible thing would have been to take the gloves from him, not the captaincy. Initially at least. Another sensible thing to do was just say he isn't picked for 50 over cricket because he's never excelled there, then you don't open him up to the woke debate. Which, by the way Flash, doesn't mean what it used to. It's been hijacked.
Sensible and Sussex? Not so much. Andrew has never hid his priority. If you're a traditionalist, good luck. Although you might get it with a little patience from what I've seen. I get that. It seems to me that the definition hasn't changed or been hijacked, but the word is now often used to sneer at people who are sensitive to others' feelings. In other words, insensitive people accuse others of being 'woke'. Am I close on this one, LS? Well Flash, this is probably gonna shock you rigid, but I'm not the most sensitive person in the world. So I would say 'overly' sensitive to others' feelings. The word just means 'pathetic' to me. It always has to a certain extent though. Not that I'd heard of it before 2020. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 18:45:49 GMT
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Specifically, how does your definition differ?
