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Post by coverpoint on Jul 24, 2021 10:08:52 GMT
sussexcricket.co.uk/news/changes-mens-50-over-and-championship-captaincyI would appoint Haines as championship captain and give him the next five years to develop a squad around the likes of Atkins, Carson, Carter, Clark, Coles, Crocombe, Hunt, Ibrahim, Lenham, Orr, Sarro and Ward. Robinson is the obvious option but I don't think he is going to play many games for Sussex now given his England callup.
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Post by joe on Jul 24, 2021 10:34:41 GMT
Did he step down or was he pushed?
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Post by coverpoint on Jul 24, 2021 10:36:25 GMT
Did he step down or was he pushed? I hope it is the former as I believe Brown has done as well as he could have done with the tools at his disposal.
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Post by sponge on Jul 24, 2021 11:17:02 GMT
I see Ben Brown as perfect to help the youngsters on their journey. Doesn't need to be Captain to do this. He is still a good enough bat to hold his own. Probably needs to give up the gloves in the 4 day, to let his replacement get the experience. All change at Sussex.
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Post by sponge on Jul 27, 2021 21:58:27 GMT
I've just listened to the Rob Andrew interview with Adrian Harmes on this subject. Clearly Brown did not want to lose the captaincy. He is now taking a small rest from the game. Something is clearly missing here. Sussex must have a replacement Captain in mind. Who is it? Someone external? Brown can still offer a lot to Sussex; let's hope he stays to guide the youngsters. I'm afraid Mr Andrew wittered on about the different formats, and this leaves me quite nervous. Doesn't he understand that going forward there need to be more contracted players that can play both red and white ball. In the interview he mentioned finances, however only briefly. Don't waste money on expensive one format overseas players.
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Post by joe on Jul 28, 2021 8:03:18 GMT
One of the worst things about the Sussex management is the secrecy. They should be accountable to their members.
If we are kicking out all the deadwood and under-performers from the club, Andrew and Greenfield should be top of the pile. They have been the common denominators in our steady decline over the last 5 years.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2021 10:35:47 GMT
I thought RA dealt with Harms' questioning very well. Harms was like a dog with a bone, and his persistent digging can't be good for Brown's morale. As has been expressed on this board for a few years now, Brown's captaincy had become a little stale, and a change was needed. Well, the club is making that change (rightly in my view); of course Brown is 'disappointed' but he'll get over it and he may well feel rejuvenated once the dust has settled. Harms was implying that Brown will feel uncomfortable in the dressing room in future; I disagree - he should feel like a father figure (the 'senior pro') who can help the team grow, without the burden of captaincy.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 28, 2021 11:17:18 GMT
What I don't understand is now that Brown has stepped down from his captaincy role, why is he then being allowed to take time off? Or is this another expression of the growing woke culture in sport? Perhaps, the club should have a mindfulness room designated for players to go to, where they can address their feelings and deal with any hurt. It can't be pleasant for a player to lose the captaincy, but to then be given "special leave treatment" is a little bizarre. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/38795/thread
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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2021 12:01:40 GMT
What I don't understand is now that Brown has stepped down from his captaincy role, why is he then being allowed to take time off? Or is this another expression of the growing woke culture in sport? Perhaps, the club should have a mindfulness room designated for players to go to, where they can address their feelings and deal with any hurt. It can't be pleasant for a player to lose the captaincy, but to then be given "special leave treatment" is a little bizarre. unofficialsussexccc.freeforums.net/post/38795/threadBlimey, WC - I'll know who not to talk to if I'm looking for some empathy. Anyway, you're misusing the word 'woke' again - it means being sensitive to other folks' problems. Are you still suffering from stiff upper lip syndrome?! Maybe he's taking a break while the reserves play the 50 over matches. Wouldn't surprise me to see him back for the remaining CC matches.
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Post by joe on Jul 28, 2021 12:38:55 GMT
I agree Browns captaincy has been questionable at times but you don’t get rid of a position like that without having someone else in mind for the job. Who is it? Why can’t we be told? Why leave the members with more questions? Why not do it at the end of the year when you can then also announce who the successor is with all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed?
If I were Ben Brown I’d tell them where to stuff their job.
It’s a shambles and no way to run a successful business.
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Post by goldblock on Jul 28, 2021 13:15:20 GMT
Fynn Hudson-Prentice perhaps !!!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 28, 2021 14:17:37 GMT
Fb, "It means being sensitive to other folk's problems."Oh boll*x, woke means "We are being divisively evil to create division amongst the people." It is yet another dark side deception. That is what woke is... imho. If our former captain needs "time out" to deal with his hurt over being dropped as captain, then it sums up the weak mentality that pervades the former and present Academy players overseen by Keith Greenfield. Over and over again, we talk about this "weak mentality," the lack of ruthlessness, the team has when a winning position beckons. Of course, you have sympathy for anyone who has been sacked as captain, it ain't pleasant, but don't give 'em "special leave" for the rest of the season to lick their wounds. You give the captaincy to someone in the hope they deliver success for the club. Brown was about as successful "as a rotting vegetable." Remember that famous Spitting Image line? When Margaret Thatcher is dining with her cabinet and is asked: "What about the vegetables?" after ordering steak. She responds, "Oh, they will have the same as me."
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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2021 16:09:06 GMT
You should stop using the word "woke" incorrectly, unless you want to write for the Daily Mail!
According to the Oxford English Dictionary "woke" is defined as: "Originally: well-informed, up-to-date. Now chiefly: alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice."
The OED states: "By the mid-20th century, woke had been extended figuratively to refer to being 'aware' or 'well informed' in a political or cultural sense."
The Urban Dictionary adds: "Being woke means being aware… knowing what’s going on in the community (related to racism and social injustice)."
Do you not fit this definition?
I think your comments about Brown are callous - esp "Brown was about as successful "as a rotting vegetable." Was this just a way to shoehorn in your recycled joke from Spitting Image?
Who said the special leave was for the rest of the season?
C'mon, Fluffy - you're better than this.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 28, 2021 16:20:31 GMT
Fb,
Your dictionary definitions are mighty and fine, but in practice, woefully inaccurate.
Brown has been the most unsuccessful captain in recent Sussex CCC history. I can't think of one as least successful. In kindness, he took on a poisoned chalice given the rapid decline of the team during the last 10 years, but his one chance of success, promoting the 2018 Championship side to Division 1, he failed at by falling at the final hurdles.
I like Ben Brown, always have done, but he is not a leader when compared to previous Sussex captains. Even Ed Joyce was more successful and he wasn't a leader either.
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Post by flashblade on Jul 28, 2021 16:22:12 GMT
I agree Browns captaincy has been questionable at times but you don’t get rid of a position like that without having someone else in mind for the job. Who is it? Why can’t we be told? Why leave the members with more questions? Why not do it at the end of the year when you can then also announce who the successor is with all the i’s dotted and t’s crossed? If I were Ben Brown I’d tell them where to stuff their job. It’s a shambles and no way to run a successful business. TBF, joe, we don't know all the ins and outs of the situation. Employers and employees are entitled to maintain confidentiality about the details of their relationship. Shareholders/supporters aren't entitled to know every detail of what goes on in their company/cricket club. Having said that, I agree that there are a number of unanswered questions in the Brown saga!
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