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Post by jonboy on Oct 7, 2016 8:08:50 GMT
So Luke signs up for another 2 years. Happy with this, there ain't much else about, and we certainly couldn't afford to lose him
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 7, 2016 12:22:46 GMT
By all accounts, we have a shopping list that includes, 2 middle order batsmen, and an all rounder. If Ed leaves, then you can add an opening bat to the list. Looking at those players released by other counties, there's little there to get excited about, with perhaps Mickleburgh and Chesney Hughes the pick of the bunch. Would any of those be better than what we have? Maybe they currently offer more than Salt and FHP, but they wouldn't be in our starting eleven, and anyway, you can't have a squad full of experienced pros, you have to have youngsters coming through. Would Mickelburgh and Hughes be an improvement on Joyce and Taylor? Not for me.
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Post by lovelyboy on Oct 7, 2016 12:33:35 GMT
By all accounts, we have a shopping list that includes, 2 middle order batsmen, and an all rounder. If Ed leaves, then you can add an opening bat to the list. Looking at those players released by other counties, there's little there to get excited about, with perhaps Mickleburgh and Chesney Hughes the pick of the bunch. Would any of those be better than what we have? Maybe they currently offer more than Salt and FHP, but they wouldn't be in our starting eleven, and anyway, you can't have a squad full of experienced pros, you have to have youngsters coming through. Would Mickelburgh and Hughes be an improvement on Joyce and Taylor? Not for me. Hughes would improve our white ball cricket..... and did average over 50 in FC last season
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Post by jonboy on Oct 7, 2016 12:44:34 GMT
Yes, Hughes seems to offer the most, in all forms of cricket, but as Coverpoint says, he'd be no replacement for Taylor or Joyce
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Post by joe on Oct 7, 2016 13:22:12 GMT
Wes Durston leaves Derbyshire. Decent all-rounder but perhaps past his best at 36 years old.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 13:46:30 GMT
Five years younger than Stevens, whom Sussex are trying to sign on a two year contract!
If Stevens doesn't sign, one could see Sussex going for Durston as plan b.
The simple truth is that div two counties are limited in their recruitment options. It's a combination of bringing on youngsters, signing ageing players who need a change of scenery to reboot them for the twilight of their careers and pot-luck overseas gambles who have a backdoor qualification, and can either flop hopelessly (Cachopa) or turn up trumps (Archer).
Although I guess its salutary that when Cachopa had played the same number of games as Archer has now played , we wwere quite excited by his promise, too...
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Post by joe on Oct 7, 2016 14:19:06 GMT
Yes, unfortunately Cachopa had a second season syndrome which lasted for 2 seasons.
The youngsters who've made great strides in their first season this year have yet to face that phenomenon and may well succumb to the same.
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Post by leedsgull on Oct 7, 2016 14:55:54 GMT
Luis Reece has moved from Lancashire to Derbyshire on a two year deal. Whenever I have seen him for Leeds/Bradford or Lancashire he has impressed me and may well get his career back on track now.
I am surprised that no one seems to have commented on the sacking by Warwickshire of Dougie Brown despite winning the RL Cup. Is cricket turning into football?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 18:04:44 GMT
OK, leedsgull - despite knowing zilch about Warwickshire cricket, I shall take up your challenge to comment!
From my position of total ignorance, it seems to me it was not a football-style sacking, which are always based on short-term league position. Brown's sacking was based on concern about Warwicks' long-term future.
It appears (to me, anyway) that the disatisfaction with him is down to his complacency in relying on players at the end of their careers and failing to bring on any younger replacements (with the considerable exception of Sam Hain).
I was at Lord's and saw Warwicks win the RLC. As you know Warwicks slaughtered Surrey. But I looked at the two sides and compared Bell, Trott, Ambrose, Patel and Clarke, all of whom have only a season or two left, with Jason Roy, the two Currans, Ansari, Burns, Meaker and Foakes.
And you know what? Despite the result I still went home thinking I'd rather be in Surrey's shoes than in Warwixckshire's clogs.
My guess is that the Warwickshire board came to the same conclusion.
Most modern county coaches take on the job for three or perhaps four years maximum and move on.
The exceptions are not happy ones - Grayson, whose only achievement was to maroon Essex in div two for years but were promoted as soon as he was gone; Robinson, who presided over an inexorable decline until Sussex were relegated ; and now Notts' Newell, whose only success in 15 seasons in charge was once winning the now-abolished 40 over comp and whose stewardship of one of the richest clubs in the country ended in ignominous relegation as they won just one CC match this season.
Arguably, Warwicks made the right decision in getting rid of Brown, before he turned into Grayson/Robinson/Newell.
Like political careers, most cricket coaching jobs also end in failure. Maybe Dougie Brown is the lucky one, bowing out with winning the RLC as his swansong?
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Post by joe on Oct 8, 2016 14:01:56 GMT
I've heard a rumour that Fynn H-P has been released. If this is true and Joyce also goes it leaves us with a squad of 17.
Nash Wright Brown Finch Machan Wells Salt Jordan Shahzad Magoffin Robinson Archer Briggs Garton Whittingham Beer Mills
Mills and Beer only play white ball which gives us a Championship playing squad of 15.
Batters: Nash Wright Wells Machan Finch Salt
Wicket keepers: Brown
Potential all-rounders: Jordan Robinson Archer
Bowlers: Magoffin Briggs Shahzad Whittingham Garton
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 8, 2016 14:04:55 GMT
I've heard a rumour that Fynn H-P has been released. If this is true and Joyce also goes it leaves us with a squad of 17. Nash Wright Brown Finch Machan Wells Salt Jordan Shahzad Magoffin Robinson Archer Briggs Garton Whittingham Beer Mills Mills and Beer only play white ball which gives us a Championship playing squad of 15. Batters: Nash Wright Wells Machan Finch Salt Wicket keepers: Brown Potential all-rounders: Jordan Robinson Archer Bowlers: Magoffin Briggs Shahzad Whittingham Garton If what you say is correct then we need an opener, middle order batsman and a reserve keeper as a minimum. Probably another seamer too.
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Post by jonboy on Oct 12, 2016 8:29:39 GMT
Just had a look at the BBC Cricket Ins and Outs feature, there ain't much out there. It's slim pickings for any county hoping to rebuild from those players not retained by other counties. Unless there are other players, as yet unknown, who may be coming onto the market, it's difficult to see where Sussex might find the four players they might be looking for.
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Post by joe on Oct 12, 2016 10:40:30 GMT
If Callum Jackson hasn't signed for Kent it would definately be worth offering him a contract. Whether he'll come back or not is another matter of course. He's a Sussex lad and should never have been released.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 11:41:27 GMT
There are quite a few players who have not signed new contracts for 2017 and might yet move, but until they do will not feature in the ins-and-outs lists.
Darren Stevens and Alex Hales are two of the most prominent names. Keaton Jennings is another, as he has a 'relegation' get-out clause in the contract he has signed at Durham.
The problem is not so much finding good players who might switch counties but persuading them that Sussex would be a good career move!
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Post by coverpoint on Oct 12, 2016 17:29:21 GMT
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