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Post by liquidskin on Aug 6, 2022 10:23:16 GMT
The only way to save all 4 formats as they are is to lengthen the season. Perhaps play the 50 over stuff or the first few games of the CC in Feb/March overseas. Wouldn't that cost more than it generated? A lot more I'd presume. People will keep beating round the bush for a few years but the inevitable must happen. 50 over cricket will be wiped from the schedule by 2025, God has told me. You can't keep diluting, people stop watching when your Bairstows & Stokes pull out cos they're knackered. Less is more. There's three one-days comps - the one that generates the least corn goes.
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 7, 2022 20:01:28 GMT
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Post by sponge on Aug 7, 2022 20:17:10 GMT
It's very important the 50 over format does not disappear. If the top players don't want to play in it, then so be it. All Counties have big enough squads and academies to make the 50 over tournament meaningful. As for the 100, the circus sadly continues.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 12, 2022 10:33:59 GMT
The mainstream media continues to poke the wasps' nest and create a rift that is little different to the rifts cricket has endured since T20 first appeared amidst the county scene on June 13th, 2003. This time it is former cricketer now media man, Derek Pringle, who attempts to widen the gulf between the sport's purists and those who realise, for good or bad, that the 100 is essential to keep the Championship format alive. His first two paragraphs not only sticks the knife in, but for good measure stabs the nest with majestic glee. A hot August was once prime cricketing weather except that this year, and for the next five to come, it has been given over to something as yet impersonating this great game – the Hundred.
It is even proposed that next year’s Ashes will be completed by the end of July so this pampered child, a sort of T20-light with contrivances, can have the stage to itself. This is such tedious, boring and lazy journalism from a once B-lister cricketer who only played for England because the standard at the time was so low. Pringle - Puffed Up BoreAt least, Pringle offers some balance, yet via a disapproving paragraph made to look positive, no doubt prompted by his editor. The Hundred has its advocates and, if the premises upon which it was founded prove correct, it will have many more, mostly new to the game. But that is the issue for its detractors – just where is the evidence showing a strong case for the Hundred?
The evidence is the encouraging and increasing TV viewing figures, strong attendances at the matches, and general excitement from the players themselves. They genuinely love and enjoy playing the format. The rift that the media is forcing down our throats is simply to create a diversion away from the fact that after just one season and a bit, the 100 is not only proving successful, but bringing in an important new revenue stream to help allay the financial disaster of the covid pandemic. In fact, the ECB reacted courageously to the crisis, making sure internationals still went ahead, when others cowered behind closed doors and wore a mask. The problem being, the English loathe a success story. They prefer underdogs where heroic failure is far more acceptable. Even now the purists mutter under their breath about the T20 tournament, refuse to attend matches even though the season ticket covers the format, and generally hark back to the glory days of the 1960s/70s when Boycott took two full days to score a century. Unless you move with the times, you die. And without T20 and now the 100, English county cricket would have been dead and buried years ago. metro.co.uk/2022/08/11/the-hundred-cricket-culture-war-threatens-to-overshadow-summer-game-17163289/
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Post by sponge on Aug 12, 2022 11:11:53 GMT
Wicked, can you tell me how much money Sussex CC receive from the 100 tournament? Just asking because a friend asked me and I didn't know.
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Post by sussexforever on Aug 12, 2022 15:03:40 GMT
The media aren't forcing anything down our throats. I find it refreshing to see the likes of Atherton and Pringle sticking their head above the parapet and taking a view other than that of BBC or Sky that everything about the competition is incredible.
If you put the Blast on FTA and marketed it anything like the Hundred people would watch it and attend. We've seen Ben Stokes step away from ODI cricket due to the schedule in this country and players have long complained about there being too many games. Should the ECB not be criticised for shoehorning a fourth competition into the calendar? The Ashes is the pinnacle of the sport and should not be shunted from prime summertime.
On the revenue stream - when is it expected to make a profit?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 12, 2022 15:46:10 GMT
Can you tell me how much money Sussex CC receive from the 100 tournament? First, let us look at what Sussex CCC are being given by the ECB on an annual basis. 2018/19: £2.93 million 2019/2020: £3.2 million 2020/2021: £3.42 million Without this specific money, Sussex CCC would go bankrupt along with the vast majority of other counties. I can imagine the payment may continue to increase year on year. How does the ECB gain their revenue? I am not an accountant, but if there is one reading this post, please take a look at the ECBs Financial Statement covering 2021/2022 and let us know your views. resources.ecb.co.uk/ecb/document/2022/05/18/5405823f-d903-49dc-a9d5-f70f917ba953/Financial-Statements-202122.pdfThe primary revenue accrued by the ECB comes from media rights, in particular from Sky Sports, who have collaborated for nearing 30 years, to keep professional cricket in England alive and prospering. Without Murdoch’s interest English cricket, as we know it today, would not be in existence. Back in 2017, the ECB managed to pull off a miracle deal with Sky Sports of £1.1 billion over 5 years. This financial boost was partly down to the proposed new tournament - the 100. Since 2017, there has been a 73% increase in total viewing hours of cricket on Sky. The deal was extended once again in July until 2028, where a similar amount of money or over £1 billion will be paid to the ECB. This latest extension, starting from 2025, includes: : 90 extra hours of live cricket guaranteed on TV each year. : More women's cricket than ever before. : Coverage of The Hundred extended to 2028. : Increased prominence for the Vitality Blast, including more live games. While, I cannot answer your specific question about Sussex, their £3 million + finance now received each year from the ECB, part of that money is down to the 100 tournament. Another aspect we learn is that the 100 has another 6 years left to prove itself, where Sky, as part of this new extended deal, is happy and willing to televise it. So for all those doom-mongerers and snipers, tough titties. You are gonna have to put up with the 100 now until at least 2028. As for the criticism concerning the amount of money the ECB are investing in this tournament, that famous phrase, “speculate to accumulate” comes to mind. God forbid if it proves successful and becomes a primary future source of revenue for the 18 counties. Then what will you do? Presumably, find another aspect of 'modern cricket' to criticise. www.skysports.com/the-hundred/news/36890/12651542/sky-sports-and-ecb-extend-partnership-to-2028-in-new-four-year-agreement
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 12, 2022 18:08:04 GMT
How did Sussex & Co survive before Sky?
I was against it, & still would be if I wasn't a devout realist. The players love it, the families love it, & it generates loads a money, it seems. Detach yourself from it maybe but it ain't going nowhere. Something will, & it'll be the 50.
There's too much cricket across all forms Internationally & domestically in my opinion. Less is more.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 13, 2022 13:19:55 GMT
Too stiflingly hot to go outside for any length of time, so I've carried out some pretty basic further research on the 100. As we can only look at 2021 for this information, here is a bitesize view. : Sold 510,000 tickets (no doubt a fair few were promotions/freebies). : ECB made £10 million profit on a revenue forecast of £50 million. : 2.5 million viewers tuned in for first men's game on Sky and BBC - 1.4 million for women's opening match. Average peak audience of 1.95 million. : England's leading cricketers each earned around £100,000 for playing in the tournament. This will increase to about £135,000 for 2022. : ECB aim to spend £312 million over 5 years on promotion/marketing and generally building the competition ('speculate to accumulate'). This from sportspromedia.com. www.sportspromedia.com/news/the-hundred-tv-figures-viewership-sky-bbc-ecb-revenue-ticket-sales/According to the ECB, a total of 16.1 million people tuned in to see some of the competition on television, which Sanjay Patel, MD of 100 pointed out is “more eyeballs than the men’s World Cup in 2019. Of that number, the ECB says 57 per cent of viewers had not watched any live cricket this year but the tournament’s critics believe this month-long extravaganza at the height of summer has pushed other formats to the periphery.
ECB Chief Executive, Tom Harrison, explained, “What we’re trying to do with this audience growth is to migrate that audience through our formats and take them to Test cricket. The whole point of growing the base of the sport is so that you protect the things that are most precious to us and that is county cricket and Test cricket." To keep the critics at bay, the ECB must continue to increase profits year on year and show clearly how this extra income is being used to assist the counties. Given the sizzling summer to date, the 100 live attendances should fair well. Hopefully, a profit of up to £20 million occurs in the tournament's second year (2022). For momentum is vital as the years roll on towards 2028. It is difficult to ascertain the financial potential of such a unique competition once the novelty wears off. Yet, given the ECB owns the 100 lock, stock and barrel, if successful, the 18 counties should benefit hugely.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 14, 2022 14:37:52 GMT
How did Sussex & Co survive before Sky? I was against it, & still would be if I wasn't a devout realist. The players love it, the families love it, & it generates loads a money, it seems. Detach yourself from it maybe but it ain't going nowhere. Something will, & it'll be the 50. There's too much cricket across all forms Internationally & domestically in my opinion. Less is more. Counties have always received a share from test match revenue from the ECB or TCCB, for as long as I can remember, and rightly so. It’s only ignoramuses on social media who think that counties are “bailed out” or worse still “funded” by the ECB🙄🤦♂️.
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Post by liquidskin on Aug 14, 2022 16:08:19 GMT
Isn't receiving a share being funded?
I actually don't think 50 over cricket should go. I think they should just shorten the amount of games across all forms domestically and internationally, then they could fit it all in. I reckon it'll be gone by 2025 though & if anything there'll be more T20 stuff by then too. Something has to give, that's clear to all.
All major test sides should be playing two 5 match series a year, home & away. Then a couple of 3 match series, T20 & 50. Then a bloody good rest before deciding if they wanna do anything else until the next series.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 14, 2022 16:46:29 GMT
The mainstream media continues to poke the wasps' nest and create a rift that is little different to the rifts cricket has endured since T20 first appeared amidst the county scene on June 13th, 2003. This time it is former cricketer now media man, Derek Pringle, who attempts to widen the gulf between the sport's purists and those who realise, for good or bad, that the 100 is essential to keep the Championship format alive. His first two paragraphs not only sticks the knife in, but for good measure stabs the nest with majestic glee. A hot August was once prime cricketing weather except that this year, and for the next five to come, it has been given over to something as yet impersonating this great game – the Hundred.
It is even proposed that next year’s Ashes will be completed by the end of July so this pampered child, a sort of T20-light with contrivances, can have the stage to itself. This is such tedious, boring and lazy journalism from a once B-lister cricketer who only played for England because the standard at the time was so low. Pringle - Puffed Up BoreAt least, Pringle offers some balance, yet via a disapproving paragraph made to look positive, no doubt prompted by his editor. The Hundred has its advocates and, if the premises upon which it was founded prove correct, it will have many more, mostly new to the game. But that is the issue for its detractors – just where is the evidence showing a strong case for the Hundred?
The evidence is the encouraging and increasing TV viewing figures, strong attendances at the matches, and general excitement from the players themselves. They genuinely love and enjoy playing the format. The rift that the media is forcing down our throats is simply to create a diversion away from the fact that after just one season and a bit, the 100 is not only proving successful, but bringing in an important new revenue stream to help allay the financial disaster of the covid pandemic. In fact, the ECB reacted courageously to the crisis, making sure internationals still went ahead, when others cowered behind closed doors and wore a mask. The problem being, the English loathe a success story. They prefer underdogs where heroic failure is far more acceptable. Even now the purists mutter under their breath about the T20 tournament, refuse to attend matches even though the season ticket covers the format, and generally hark back to the glory days of the 1960s/70s when Boycott took two full days to score a century. Unless you move with the times, you die. And without T20 and now the 100, English county cricket would have been dead and buried years ago. metro.co.uk/2022/08/11/the-hundred-cricket-culture-war-threatens-to-overshadow-summer-game-17163289/Not sure how you can say county cricket would be dead without the 100. It does nothing to benefit counties like ours.
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Post by ashingtonmartlet on Aug 14, 2022 17:08:07 GMT
Isn't receiving a share being funded Not in the way the ignoramuses I referred to would like to think. I think they reckon that counties are literally being propped up by the ECB, or that “handouts” from the ECB are the majority of their income…when they’re neither handouts nor the main source of revenue.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Aug 15, 2022 8:49:17 GMT
Not in the way the ignoramuses I referred to would like to think. I think they reckon that counties are literally being propped up by the ECB, or that “handouts” from the ECB are the majority of their income…when they’re neither handouts nor the main source of revenueAre you one of those social media ignoramuses? Your response suggests this. Below is the Sussex CCC Financial report for the year ended October 31st, 2021. Total ECB income was £3.42 million. Then add the ECB £367,000 grant to cover street, girls, women’s, disability cricket etc. as well as tackling “green issues”, the total “handout” from the ECB adds up to close on £3.79 million. www.ecb.co.uk/be-involved/club-support/club-funding/county-grant-fundTake away this from the £5.94 club income. This leads to Sussex CCC earning £2.15 million v ECB £3.79 million. So what do you mean “nor the main source of income”? Certainly, the word ‘handout’ is a controversial one. A small part of that ECB money would have covered monies given to Sussex for bringing players through like Chris Jordan, Tymal Mills, George Garton and Tom Haines to be part of an England squad, although it is unclear whether this income comes under the grants revenue. Also, the excellent work the Sussex Cricket Foundation is carrying out to market cricket locally is worth every penny of that ECB grant, yet why is this revenue placed under Sussex Cricket rather than Sussex Cricket Foundation? What is disturbing is the little money gained from Membership in 2021. Compare this to Yorkshire who have always boasted a high number of Members, where until recently the club had over 6,500. Yet even here, annual income has dropped from £828,000 in 2018 to £569,000 in 2021. Compare this to Sussex’s £115,000 revenue. Apart from Somerset, Membership income, it seems, is on the wane throughout the 18 counties. Then there is the Club Shop that made a loss of £48,000 during 2021; catering brought in just £27,000 (was a profit made/why so little?); compare this with Warwickshire’s £4.8 million (includes hospitality); with only Sussex’s commercial element attracting any sizeable income (£655,000). Presumably, a fair sum covers the rental from the offices, match hospitality and rent from T20 food outlets. The Estates and other rent receivables (£222,000), perhaps, includes the previous income from the now knocked-down Ember Pub and the couple of local apartments owned by the Club. A majority of this revenue will be missing from near future financial results, although the new and larger pub area, now being constructed under the apartment block, should bring in a reasonable amount come 2024. The ECB money allows Sussex CCC to make a profit of £118,000, when without this revenue the club would have made a loss of over £2 million. Is the ECB revenue “a handout?” That’s down to your perspective.
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Post by sussexforever on Aug 15, 2022 9:34:48 GMT
I'd expect match income, the club shop and hospitality etc were significantly impacted by the lack of crowds during the Blast as a result of covid restrictions. For large parts of last summer the ground was still closed to spectators, and I think the majority if not all of the Blast? A better assessment will be in the next set of accounts which we might be able to call a 'normal' year (if those actually exist anymore!!).
Comparing Sussex with the 'big' counties who have Test match/international grounds is not a fair comparison either. Those sides may well keep the revenue for hospitality for hosting international matches plus the Hundred, or a large chunk with ECB taking a cut - I do not know the ins and outs but it would make sense. They were able to get crowds in for the new comp last summer. These counties can also facilitate larger events, conferences etc. Comparing to Somerset and the rest without such large venues is fair game.
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