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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 7, 2014 9:53:26 GMT
Given how popular this thread was on the previous MB - and in memory of Kim Jones - one feels this subject deserves continued support.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 12, 2014 16:23:17 GMT
Good ol' jobs for the boys! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/27371642www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/27371063Worryingly, no tour match for Sussex next year which means added pressure on the club to get their off-field commercial activities right. They can't rely on a £230,000 financial bonanza this time. Kent, Essex, Derbyshire and Northants are the lucky recipients with Kent and Essex gaining the full 4 day package.
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Post by Sussexsupporter on May 12, 2014 19:30:35 GMT
I highlighted this earlier on another thread. But whatever! As far as I can see, Sussex are the only county out of the eighteen without an international fixture next year. Why,? It was only 15 months ago when Zac gave an interview saying he wanted to increase the number of international fixtures we hold. This year we have a single T20. No women's internationals, nor Under 19s. Next year, none of the prime games.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 13, 2014 19:33:01 GMT
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Post by Sussexsupporter on May 15, 2014 11:02:24 GMT
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Post by flashblade on May 15, 2014 11:17:13 GMT
These prognostications are all very well - they fill a few column inches. Let's wait and see how it goes - oh, and pray for fine weather!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2014 11:18:23 GMT
Typical drivel from Scyld - a diehard dinosaur of Championship cricket only who believes we are still living in the 1950s.
Suggesting franchise cricket in England... is rip van Scyld still asleep from Spring 2011? The window of opportunity vanished after the ridicule and contempt of 'Project Victoria'. Everyone and I mean everyone one talks to says the opportunity for an EPL has gone.
I applaud the ECB. At least, they are trying to make T20 work via the BLAST. Ok, it's another relaunch but this is the best opportunity to date. The counties have to make this work - last chance saloon - and as the standard of business acumen improves throughout the clubs, there is every chance.
But if this latest revamp fails, then it's potentially goodbye to Yorkshire, Glamorgan, Durham and Warwickshire. Only a highly successful and lucrative BLAST will help such TMGs to pay off their debt - nothing else will. They need full houses at every home game. That is their challenge over the next four years.
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Post by Sussexsupporter on May 15, 2014 11:31:19 GMT
Typical drivel from Scyld - a diehard dinosaur He seems almost as unpopular as the Dobell chap. Or do we simply dislike all journos?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2014 11:39:13 GMT
I'm a big fan of GD.
Scyld is a lovely chap but his views can be somewhat archaic and out of touch. In the past, he dressed like a 1950s public school history teacher. A favourite story is the time when he forgot his media pass and wasn't allowed into a county press box because they thought he was one of the groundsmen.
Now CMJ has passed, Scyld is endearingly one of the few left of the old school.
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Post by flashblade on May 15, 2014 11:40:11 GMT
Typical drivel from Scyld - a diehard dinosaur He seems almost as unpopular as the Dobell chap. Or do we simply dislike all journos? Criticism of "the Dobell chap" is likely to result in the closure of the message board - so be careful!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 18:53:47 GMT
Typical drivel from Scyld - a diehard dinosaur of Championship cricket only who believes we are still living in the 1950s. Suggesting franchise cricket in England... is rip van Scyld still asleep from Spring 2011? The window of opportunity vanished after the ridicule and contempt of 'Project Victoria'. Everyone and I mean everyone one talks to says the opportunity for an EPL has gone. I applaud the ECB. At least, they are trying to make T20 work via the BLAST. Ok, it's another relaunch but this is the best opportunity to date. The counties have to make this work - last chance saloon - and as the standard of business acumen improves throughout the clubs, there is every chance. But if this latest revamp fails, then it's potentially goodbye to Yorkshire, Glamorgan, Durham and Warwickshire. Only a highly successful and lucrative BLAST will help such TMGs to pay off their debt - nothing else will. They need full houses at every home game. That is their challenge over the next four years. You make me feel very old, s&f! I've always liked Scyld Berry, ever since he burst onto the scene 35 years ago as The Observer's young tyro and was such a breath of fresh air in the face of Swanton's unbearable pomposity and the dry conservative orthodoxy of Woodcock. To see him described as a dinosaur and 'Rip Van Scyld' is an unwelcome reminder of how time moves on so inexorably!!! As in music, our preferences in cricket writing are a matter of personal taste, I suppose. Some prefer classical and some like heavy metal. I like the calm authority of the traditional broadsheet print media writers such as Berry, Selvey, Marks, Atherton and Pringle (whom I seem to recall also came in for several ferocious pastings from you on the old board!) But yes, I suppose you are right and they now represent the stuffy old guard, as the young and brash website turks like Dobell with their internet blogs and podcasts seek to overthrow the values of Berry's generation, just as Scyld himself and his good friend Matthew Engel were once the shiny young alternative to the stuffy establishment school of Swanton/Woodcock. I confess that the excitable style of the modern internet reporters isn't for me. I find the headline-chasing and instant blogosphere judgements of the cricinfo crowd and Michael Vaughan and their ilk not only over-sensational, but also lacking in depth, a poor subsititute for the considered analysis of the 'old guard' and - dare I say it - slightly vulgar. To use an old-fashioned analogy drawn from the pre-digital era when Fleet Street still ruled, it's as if tabloid ethics have won the war and the traditional virtues of authoritative and meticulously double-checked reporting espoused by The Times (and the BBC) have been banished forever. Perhaps I've turned into the thing I once most despised when I was young and become the 21st century equivlent of E.W.Swanton. But I'm glad that the likes of Berry are still around to remind us of the old values. (But then I also prefer four day cricket to the one day variety, so obviously there is no hope for me!)
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Post by Wicked Cricket on May 15, 2014 21:07:49 GMT
bm,
I was a little harsh on Scyld. A lovely chap.
I remember when the 'Sex Pistols' stormed the stage (I believe the Islington 'Green on the Screen' independent cinema was one of their first gigs - owned by the mother of a teenage friend of mine), my favourite prog-rock bands like Yes, ELP, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Caravan and Pink Floyd were dismissed to the trash-can.
While GD, Vaughan, Hoult and others are viewed as the young turks with their twitter, facebook, instagram, vine and whatever else, quality shines through. Atherton is still class. My irritation is more with Scyld's view of cricket and his out of touch views.
I believe county cricket is at a crossroads. I believe the T20 BLAST is the last chance saloon for TMGs, in particular, to resolve their financial debt. And the ECB...finally, have offered them this golden opportunity. Fail and we could see clubs like Yorkshire, Durham, Warwickshire and Glamorgan ending in the trash-can like my favourite prog-rock bands from the mid 1970s.
How sad would that be.
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Post by longhops on May 15, 2014 21:24:58 GMT
Typical drivel from Scyld - a diehard dinosaur of Championship cricket only who believes we are still living in the 1950s. Suggesting franchise cricket in England... is rip van Scyld still asleep from Spring 2011? The window of opportunity vanished after the ridicule and contempt of 'Project Victoria'. Everyone and I mean everyone one talks to says the opportunity for an EPL has gone. I applaud the ECB. At least, they are trying to make T20 work via the BLAST. Ok, it's another relaunch but this is the best opportunity to date. The counties have to make this work - last chance saloon - and as the standard of business acumen improves throughout the clubs, there is every chance. But if this latest revamp fails, then it's potentially goodbye to Yorkshire, Glamorgan, Durham and Warwickshire. Only a highly successful and lucrative BLAST will help such TMGs to pay off their debt - nothing else will. They need full houses at every home game. That is their challenge over the next four years. You make me feel very old, s&f! I've always liked Scyld Berry, ever since he burst onto the scene 35 years ago as The Observer's young tyro and was such a breath of fresh air in the face of Swanton's unbearable pomposity and the dry conservative orthodoxy of Woodcock. To see him described as a dinosaur and 'Rip Van Scyld' is an unwelcome reminder of how time moves on so inexorably!!! As in music, our preferences in cricket writing are a matter of personal taste, I suppose. Some prefer classical and some like heavy metal. I like the calm authority of the traditional broadsheet print media writers such as Berry, Selvey, Marks, Atherton and Pringle (whom I seem to recall also came in for several ferocious pastings from you on the old board!) But yes, I suppose you are right and they now represent the stuffy old guard, as the young and brash website turks like Dobell with their internet blogs and podcasts seek to overthrow the values of Berry's generation, just as Scyld himself and his good friend Matthew Engel were once the shiny young alternative to the stuffy establishment school of Swanton/Woodcock. I confess that the excitable style of the modern internet reporters isn't for me. I find the headline-chasing and instant blogosphere judgements of the cricinfo crowd and Michael Vaughan and their ilk not only over-sensational, but also lacking in depth, a poor subsititute for the considered analysis of the 'old guard' and - dare I say it - slightly vulgar. To use an old-fashioned analogy drawn from the pre-digital era when Fleet Street still ruled, it's as if tabloid ethics have won the war and the traditional virtues of authoritative and meticulously double-checked reporting espoused by The Times (and the BBC) have been banished forever. Perhaps I've turned into the thing I once most despised when I was young and become the 21st century equivlent of E.W.Swanton. But I'm glad that the likes of Berry are still around to remind us of the old values. (But then I also prefer four day cricket to the one day variety, so obviously there is no hope for me!) I agree with you on that one BM. I still subscribe to Wisden monthly/The Cricketer or whatever it's called now. I hardly ever read it as it contains blog type material and "stuff" that does not interest me. Thecoverage of county cricket is found near the back before the ads and it does not cover very much in the way of county cricket. Buy hey ho that's my opinion. I. like you, prefer the 4 day Championship variety and am finding pretty difficult this season to see very much of it! Family commitments last Sunday meant I missed Sunday at Hove. Can only make 1 day of T.Wells week(which could be the last one due to council cuts). So am looking to get the maximum number of visits to T20 blast! S&F your comment about 4 TMg's brings it all home really. I have to be honest and admit if I was given the choice of watching T20 blast or BBL(Aussie version), I would go for the latter. As the article by Scyld Berry says England's top centrally contracted players will not play very much of the T20 blast due to international commitments and the ECB have not manged to encourage "top overseas players" as they regard it as not as important as the BBL, IPL or Carribean league! I maybe proved wrong, but the counties really market this if it is seen as the golden goose for county cricket. If it doesn't we could see even more gounds having retirement flats built on the outfield!
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Post by piperdog on May 15, 2014 21:27:11 GMT
I will very rarely cross swords with you S and F but I won't be alone in protesting that being old doesn't put Pink Floyd in the trash can - which may reflect on your Berry debate. And it was the Screen on the Green.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 21:41:14 GMT
I will very rarely cross swords with you S and F but I won't be alone in protesting that being old doesn't put Pink Floyd in the trash can - which may reflect on your Berry debate. And it was the Screen on the Green. Funnily enough, I am currently reviewing the 20th anniversary expanded and remastered deluxe reissue of the Floyd's 1994 album The Division Bell, with a previously unreleased 5:1 surround sound mix. In the shops on June 30, if you're a fan, piperdog. Not their finest album, by a long chalk. They never bettered 1968's A Saucerful Of Secrets for me!
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