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Post by hhsussex on Jun 5, 2014 19:06:34 GMT
Well...it depends on what you want from a cricket club. Do you want a big, in-your-face arena, with lots of concessions to be filled, lots of sponsors eateries, lots of souvenir outlets, the chance of sell-out grand performances (not only for cricket matches but also for all those additional entertainment options), and a sate-of-the-art tart's dream of paradise to sell to Murdoch and the the new would-be elite?
Or do you want to nurture into healthy adulthood a community-based facility that gives as well as takes, that offers hope and opportunity to those who live nearby and are demonstarably part of the culture from which the club has sprung?
In the first scenario you hire and fire the stars whose very careers you shorten by the same intense process that builds them up and casts them down by whim, by scandal or by neglect.
In the second case you act responsibly, to recognise and foster talent that will bring pride on the community from which it came, whether that community was in Wakefield, or Peacehaven or Rawalpindi: it's all the same because you have a solid, organic basis as a club and you win the respect of your fans, your investors, and your commercial partners.
So what do you want?
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Post by flashblade on Jun 5, 2014 19:11:03 GMT
Well...it depends on what you want from a cricket club. Do you want a big, in-your-face arena, with lots of concessions to be filled, lots of sponsors eateries, lots of souvenir outlets, the chance of sell-out grand performances (not only for cricket matches but also for all those additional entertainment options), and a sate-of-the-art tart's dream of paradise to sell to Murdoch and the the new would-be elite? Or do you want to nurture into healthy adulthood a community-based facility that gives as well as takes, that offers hope and opportunity to those who live nearby and are demonstarably part of the culture from which the club has sprung? In the first scenario you hire and fire the stars whose very careers you shorten by the same intense process that builds them up and casts them down by whim, by scandal or by neglect. In the second case you act responsibly, to recognise and foster talent that will bring pride on the community from which it came, whether that community was in Wakefield, or Peacehaven or Rawalpindi: it's all the same because you have a solid, organic basis as a club and you win the respect of your fans, your investors, and your commercial partners. So what do you want? . . . time for you to get off the fence, HHS!
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Post by leedsgull on Jun 6, 2014 7:21:04 GMT
As a regular attender at Headingley I am amazed by this proposal. Graves is a megalomaniac who is rapidly challenging Giles Clarke as the biggest ego in English cricket. Headingley is consistently the poorest attended Test match so why increase the size? They are building a new pavilion which is admitting that the current monstrosity is the white elephant everyone believes it to be. Another long room is also being added! As a Leeds tax payer I hope the council reject this nonsense but sadly they are on the same ego trip as Graves having gone millions into debt to get the Tour de France here next month. What a crazy city I find myself in.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 6, 2014 11:53:43 GMT
I would be amazed if this development occurs. Rather like the 'Lords' extravaganza the plans will be watered down and then watered down again. And anyway, how are Yorkshire going to find the money? This is £50m - the most expensive proposed build of all the TMGS. Even more than the 'Ageas Bowl' and 'Old Trafford'. The club already owe £20m to Leeds City Council, so I doubt any other councils will show interest.
It's crackers with bells on it!
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Post by flashblade on Jun 6, 2014 12:20:18 GMT
Surely Yorkshire haven't announced the proposed development without explaining how it will be funded?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 6, 2014 13:24:21 GMT
The 'Cricinfo' report states, "The development, which will be in conjunction with Leeds City Council and Leeds Rugby, is scheduled to take place in six phases over the next 20 years." So, perhaps, the club will seek money for each phase as it comes along. No mention of where the funding is coming from.
To repeat given the club is already in debt to £24m and that deficit has increased by £4m during the last 16 months, who is going to lend to them?
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Post by flashblade on Jun 25, 2014 12:56:10 GMT
Having seen the poor attendances at Headingly during the Sri Lanka test match, I can't imagine anyone wanting to invest their own money in any further redevelopment.
Someone's living on a different planet, methinks.
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Post by leedsgull on Jun 25, 2014 15:13:27 GMT
Most certainly true. The "alien" is Colin Graves.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 25, 2014 16:38:03 GMT
Good god, I have just researched the attendance figures for the Headingley Sri Lanka Test series... I had no idea it was that bad. Remember, the ground has a capacity of 17,000. And on the fifth day prices for adult admission was just £5 and for juniors FREE. Day 1: 11,054
Day 2: 13,891
Day 3: 6,700
Day 4: 3,989
Day 5: 2,428Total = 38,062 Potential capacity for 5 days = 85,000. So, around 45% capacity achieved. This was notably better than their previous Test match held against New Zealand in 2013 which attracted just 29,000. And their next Test match at the ground in May 2015 will be New Zealand... again! How long will Colin Graves be ruled by his heart? If he pulls the plug and says enough is enough, that's the end of Yorkshire. What a dilemma to be in. www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2014/jun/25/headingley-crowds-england-sri-lanka-test?CMP=twt_guPS: The irony for the Tykes is that on this 'T20 Blast' Friday they play Lancashire in their biggest domestic fixture of the season where a full house of 17,000 is guaranteed.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jun 30, 2014 12:11:37 GMT
What a financial disaster last week was for Yorkshire. Reeling under £24m debt, gaining maximum monies from both on and off-field commercial ventures is essential and CEO Mark Arthur must have been rubbing his hands with glee a few weeks ago with the prospect of a 5 day Sri Lankan Test and the club's biggest match of the season - a Roses Friday evening T20 against Lancashire. Instead, the Sri Lankan Test attracted a disappointing crowd which barely covered 45% ground capacity and to make things worse their hallowed sell-out Roses game was a complete wash-out. Not a ball was bowled - not even 5 overs each team. The match being abandoned to rain. Martyn Moxon, Yorkshire’s
director of cricket, admitted it was a bad night for the club financially, referring to the loss as an "unquantifiable sum”. “Although we don’t have to give money back, people can exchange their tickets and potentially we could lose a lot of money,” he said. “Financially, the Lancashire match is always a big money-spinner for us. It’s a significant night in terms of the club’s budget." So significant that Yorkshire make more money from this one game than all their Championship matches held at Headingley combined. That is how significant. To rub salt in the wounds, the Club claim they could have sold an additional 5,000 tickets on top of their 17,000 seating capacity. So, how do all those supporters feel when they can't get their money back and have to either wait a whole year until next year's comparable game or use the ticket up by watching one day of Yorkshire Championship cricket when most are at work during the week. Do Lancastrian followers even care? Once more the ECB fall flat on their face and fail to steward the county game. For, there is such an easy resolution to the problem. Surely, for such an important T20 match, a reserve day is put aside in case of rain. The idea that supporters have to wait a whole year and leave their tickets in a dusty draw is absurd. Rain on Their Face
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Jul 10, 2014 16:59:35 GMT
An interesting article on the financial implications of the Indian first test at Trent Bridge. It doesn't quite tally with the first day's attendance which Michael Vaughan described as the smallest of any Test crowd he had seen against India. One presumes this will increase as the weekend beckons. A TV audience of 500m, a majority watching in Asia, offers fantastic FREE publicity for Nottingham and the ground. Add to that the expected £8m extra monies that will flow into the City with hotels, restaurants and pubs greatly benefitting, it is a win-win for the club's CEO, Lisa Pursehouse. And, Jennifer Spencer, chief executive of tourism organisation Experience Nottinghamshire, says: "This is even bigger than the Ashes. There is a much stronger Indian population (than Australian) across Great Britain, so this is going to have a huge amount of interest. And the value of the coverage that it will get will make it bigger." www.nottinghampost.com/undefined-headline/story-21346561-detail/story.htmlPS: The £8m figure is suspect given that Edgbaston and their City council believe a 5 day Test can bring in an additional £20m to Birmingham and the surrounding area. But these so-called 'invisible earnings' are often more about hope and wishful-dreaming than actual fact.
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Post by hhsussex on Aug 15, 2014 15:26:28 GMT
Bracewell confirms Will Gidman departure
There has been a spirited debate on another thread about this player, and whether or not Sussex could or should have bid for him, but I think Bracewell's statement speaks of the wider issues that belong here:
Gloucestershire's director of cricket John Bracewell has confirmed the departure of Will Gidman ahead of the County's LV= County Championship clash with Worcestershire and dropped veiled hints that he regards Nottinghamshire - his likely destination - as "a bit parasitic". Gidman, outstanding since leaving Durham in 2011, is thought to favour a move to Notts - although Yorkshire and Durham have also been linked with him. Bracewell said: “Will spoke to the lads today and it's pretty much a done deal that he will be leaving. We were unable to keep him financially – that's the bottom line of it. “Our budget reduces again this year and we are just unable to compete with the big boys, which is a shame. There are some clubs that are a little bit parasitic and there are some clubs that spend a lot of time developing players, and economically they just can't hold onto them. The big-paying Test clubs just cherry pick the biggest apples at the top of the tree. “Until we become a destination club and put ourselves financially in the right position this is going to happen, so it's a warning to our club."
Leicestershire have experienced this for some years, and are probably even more entitled to describe their near neighbours as parasitic after losing Broad, Taylor and Gurney to them after years of development through age-group cricket. But Gloucestershire can feel very let-down, having taken a player who had endured three years at Durham without a first-clss appearance and guided his maturity into a really first class all-rounder.
The point is, at what stage can a club rightly be regarded as a "destination club"? Is this dependent on wages or onfield success, and what kicks off that virtuous cycle? Here at Sussex we experienced injuries and unavailability of key players after an excellent start, and having limited reserves because of budget constraints we struggled for much of the season until the loan of Tredwell and the arrival of Cachopa helped to spark a revival. Next year we will have similar, and perhaps worse problems as players age and lose form and fitness. Our position is better than Gloucestershire's in that our younger and developing players are not yet poached, but look ahead a year or two to a possible future if we are relegated and then find hope in Hobden, Machan and others. How long could we hold on to them in those circumstances?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 7:32:55 GMT
An interesting article on the financial implications of the Indian first test at Trent Bridge. It doesn't quite tally with the first day's attendance which Michael Vaughan described as the smallest of any Test crowd he had seen against India. One presumes this will increase as the weekend beckons. More alarming attendance figures for county cricket following the 11.5 per cent reduction in average attendances at the T20 Blast this season - just 3,000 turned up at Trent Bridge yesterday for a Royal London Cup quarter-final. Notts did their best to swell the numbers by only charging a tenner at the gate and making it free for members but even that didn't work. We will have to wait and see how Kent fare on Friday when they will be charging £25 at the gate for their q/f v Glos and £15 to members. I'd guess the result will be broadly similar - a crowd of around 2,500- 3,000 for their first home q/f in five seasons, suggesting that cricket's problems in selling itself to the public are far more deep-rooted than pricing and value for money. What odds that the biggest attendance of the four q/fs this week is at Headingley - the only game not being played under floodlights? The other three are being televised, and so even if the counties involved wanted a 10.30 or 11am start, no doubt Sky wouldn't permit it. Sky is probably also the main reason the games are not being played over a weekend, when larger crowds would be a near certainty. One of the biggest issues for the new ECB chief exec is going to be whether English county cricket can remain viable at all as a spectator sport, or whether we have to accept that gate receipts in future will not even cover match expenses and the game's survival will have to rely totally on the monies from TV coverage. Which is probably going to mean a drastic reduction in the LVCC programme and losing several counties.
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Post by leedsgull on Aug 27, 2014 8:16:42 GMT
Yorkshire are only charging £15 and it is free for members so I am expecting a very large crowd. Durham always bring quite a few and it is still school holidays. The two previous 50 over matches at Headingley were well attended despite charging £22 for non members.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 20:34:55 GMT
Warwickshire are offering visiting Kent members FREE entry to the semi-final at Edgbaston next week.How refershing, after the spivs who run Kent had the nerve to charge their own members £15 in advance and £25 on the gate for the quarter-final at Canterbury today!
Kent members must be relieved to have been given an away draw!!
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