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Post by theleopard on Mar 31, 2015 11:40:02 GMT
Of the various people one has come across in county cricket, Derbyshire Chairman Chris Grant is one of the more impressive. He made his ££millions as a City hedge fund manager (ABN Amro) before turning his attentions to Derbyshire, a club he'd supported since a boy. Grant believed the county had been underachieving for many years and a shake up was required. Very interesting story. One of the things that is hardest for English cricket is that as far as Joe Public is concerned, the "cricket season" is June-August, maybe late May and the first week of September at a stretch. After all, there used to be only a few days' worth of cricket played in April and September. So you are really looking at three-four months of the year to make decent money from cricket. In the past, clubs tackled this by simply mothballing the club for 7 months. The players and coaches were effectively laid off, the grounds, which were very low maintenance, were simply shut, and I doubt little more than the groundsman and maybe one or two people to deal with administration, remained. County cricket shut down. The fixtures came out in September and that was the last anyone heard, read or wrote about it until April.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 1, 2015 8:02:22 GMT
tl,
What is fascinating about county cricket is due to its nature, one person still has the power and influence to change a county. Chris Grant has done this with Derbyshire, can Wasim Khan make a similar difference at Leicestershire? Our own club Sussex experienced its own metamorphosis after the Members revolution in March 1997 and that brings me hope for a sport which has to innovate for its future survival.
English cricket's biggest test is still ahead. While it is refreshing to hear Colin Graves discuss ideas for a revolutionary Spring, anyone can do the talk - doing the walk will be much harder given the attitudes amongst some of the county hierarchies. Phrases like 'for the greater good' come to mind but intransigence is often the enemy of change.
For Graves to even suggest 4 day Tests is another bold step towards a brave new future but how likely is this when the very core, the deep fabric of the sport's beliefs, are being threatened?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 1, 2015 15:51:57 GMT
Essex have announced pre-tax losses of £82,000 for 2014, having lost £65,256 before tax in the previous year.So, is this EBITDA? Does this include ground depreciation? Has the chairman borrowed money for a holiday? Where does this accounting reside in the county cricket financial smoke and mirrors? This news hasn't appeared yet on the Essex 'official' county website. Things must be fractious at the club if an 'unofficial' county website has been set up too! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32146517
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Post by flashblade on Apr 1, 2015 16:10:52 GMT
Essex have announced pre-tax losses of £82,000 for 2014, having lost £65,256 before tax in the previous year.So, is this EBITDA? Does this include ground depreciation? Has the chairman borrowed money for a holiday? Where does this accounting reside in the county cricket financial smoke and mirrors? This news hasn't appeared yet on the Essex 'official' county website. Things must be fractious at the club if an 'unofficial' county website has been set up too! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32146517 I'd love to look at the accounts when they're available. Can't find them at present.
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 1, 2015 17:01:31 GMT
Essex have announced pre-tax losses of £82,000 for 2014, having lost £65,256 before tax in the previous year.So, is this EBITDA? Does this include ground depreciation? Has the chairman borrowed money for a holiday? Where does this accounting reside in the county cricket financial smoke and mirrors? This news hasn't appeared yet on the Essex 'official' county website. Things must be fractious at the club if an 'unofficial' county website has been set up too! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/32146517 I'd love to look at the accounts when they're available. Can't find them at present. It will be very interesting to see them published. In the above-linked BBC report Acfield, former spinner and Olympic fencer turned county Treasurer, says " "In financial terms, 2014 turned out to be very similar to the previous year. This is despite the team reaching two quarter-finals and the efforts of our highly efficient and highly regarded commercial team." Funnily enough he commented on the previous year's dire results that “ It is always disappointing to report an operating loss but it can be accounted for, almost entirely, by the attempts to strengthen the team both during the season and in the winter and it is well covered by the profits from our investments.” The club then went on to say that Early indications of income for 2014 are encouraging . www.essexcricket.org.uk/2014/03/14/essex-county-cricket-club-announce-financial-loss-for-2013/In 2012 another Treasurer stated that "An operating loss of £ 65,627 must, therefore,be viewed in the context of the impact on our income from the poor weather. In comparison we made an operating profit of £ 13,355 in 2011, excluding £ 300,000 of exceptional income. " www.essexcricket.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/ARA.pdfIt seems that Essex are another county that, however they dress it up, just can't make the books balance, whether it is because of poor weather, stronger team, highly efficient and regarded commercial team. Their AGM might be quite interesting if their own members turn on them - and if they don't they must be very long suffering. I see there is an Unofficial Essex Forum ( www.essexoutfielder.co.uk/) but this requires direct registration to enter. Should any of those forum posters also be members here, or if they spot this discussion in a Google search, do come and chat with us.
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Post by leedsgull on Apr 1, 2015 18:37:32 GMT
The unofficial Essex forum is a very fractious community which specialises in petty vendettas amongst it's members. It rarely addresses serious cricket issues as covered on this forum. To date the subject of the reported losses has not been raised. The "Grayson must go" campaign seems to occupy a lot of their thoughts. Incidentally the loss of Mills was not viewed particularly negatively.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 1, 2015 19:19:26 GMT
hhs,
I joined the unofficial Essex Forum late last year. I awaited to be contacted by the moderator to be approved but gained no response. The same thing happened after contacting the unofficial Lancashire forum. There are some unfriendly critters out there!
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 7, 2015 7:32:47 GMT
Impressive vision and imaginative thinking from Wasim Khan at Leicestershire reported in he Guardian www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/apr/04/wasim-khan-leicestershire-county-cricket-club-county-championshipAs well as confronting the issues of not using sufficiently the wealth of talent offered by the diverse population of Leicestershire on the field, he also recognises that the structure of a club has to change off the field, and that the consensus views of the early twentieth century do not necessarily provide a balanced and objective lead in the boardrooms of modern clubs “We are a members-only club and 99% are from a certain background and a certain age. And only members can get voted on to the main board. That creates an issue. We are looking at our constitution and what we do with it, to make it more open and bring in different types of people that can only add great value."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2015 12:38:48 GMT
From the Kentish Gazette:-
"Development talk was top of the bill as scores of Kent members turned out for the annual meeting, St Lawrence on Tuesday evening. In his opening address, chairman George Kennedy told supporters the club had suffered a ''mortal blow'' with Canterbury City Council's rejection on December 9 of planning permission for the McCarthy & Stone development on the Old Dover Road side of the ground."
Wow. Not just a serious blow that's knocked them back a bit, but a life-threatening mortal one? Kent are appealing against the refusal of planning permission, so I guess he means it's only mortal if the appeal fails. But that's scary language.
Whether it really would be the end of the road for Kent or whether they're just upping the ante in order to increase the pressure to get the planning refusal overturned, I don't know...
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 16, 2015 15:34:17 GMT
Bm,
Now John Gilby is stepping down, a former keen cricketer and county cricket supporter, do Kent have any other allies within the City Council?
I find it hard to believe the on-going problems that Jamie Clifford has faced when compared with Worcestershire, for example, whose ground floods on a regular basis, yet still were able to persuade 'Premier Inn' to build a large hotel/restaurant.
Is Kent jinxed?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 9:06:18 GMT
Bm, Now John Gilby is stepping down, a former keen cricketer and county cricket supporter, do Kent have any other allies within the City Council? I find it hard to believe the on-going problems that Jamie Clifford has faced when compared with Worcestershire, for example, whose ground floods on a regular basis, yet still were able to persuade 'Premier Inn' to build a large hotel/restaurant. Is Kent jinxed? No friends on the council at all, it seems. When Kent defaulted last month on the short-term loan (loan 2 for £1.5 m), the council punished them by tightening the schedule on repayment of the long-term loan (loan one for £4m). Not sure exactly how loan one was structured over the 30 year term in interest/capital repayments, but the new conditions now require that they repay a capital sum of £500k in 2018 and a further £500k in 2020. The tightening of the repayment terms can only be because the council fears further defaults. These payments are in addition to the £1.5m on loan two, on which they have a 12 month extension, and so which falls due in March 2016. In other words, £2.5 million in repayments to the council falls due over the five seasons from 2016-20, which is crippling. And I don't think there will be any further repayment 'holidays', for the brought-forward repayment dates on loan one suggests that the council has lost all patience with Kent's shenanigans. I can't imagine the position is helped by a section of the Kent membership now agitating that the loans should be written-off in the style of Glamorgan and Cardiff City Council. Because I was convinced that (a) the Canterbury debt was ill-advised and unsustainable and (b) there isn't the demographic in east Kent to support f/c cricket, I predicted five years ago that by 2020 Kent would have left Canterbury and made Beckenham their base. The odds have since shortened considerably on that as the likely outcome. Kent's best crowds this season are likely to come at Tunbridge Wells and at Beckenham, where they entertain KP and Surrey. The Beckenham ground - on which they have a peppercorn rent for the next 20 years - is 20 mins by train from Victoria or Charing Cross. But I'm still not clear what the Kent chairman meant about the "mortal blow" dealt by the council in refusing planning permission for it is also reported in the Kentish Gazette : "Mr Kennedy insisted should the planning appeal fail, the club would not be left high and dry, and reiterated there is an existing planning permission in place for a hotel development. He said: "It's important that we realise the value of that asset. We are in negotiations with other parties in case the appeal fails. There is a plan B and I hope before next March we are able to realise something from that." These statements appear contradictory. If there is a 'plan b' then the planning refusal was not a "mortal blow", was it? And if 'plan b' is to build a hotel for which they have planning approval, why didn't they do that in the first place instead of wasting three years trying to build an old people's home, on which they don't have approval ? (The answer, of course, is that nobody wanted to build a hotel. At least that's what KCCC told the city council.) Frankly, it's a complete balls-up and handing over the Canterbury ground to the council and moving lock, stock and wicket to Beckenham grows more likely by the day.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Apr 17, 2015 9:16:38 GMT
Bm,
Frankly, it's a complete balls-up and handing over the Canterbury ground to the council and moving lock, stock and wicket to Beckenham grows more likely by the day.
Agree, this looks a likely outcome and given Kent's past rich history and tradition, when Kent represented the heart of English cricket, it is also a sad expression of county cricket's demise. Although, good news that its lifeblood, the 'T20 Blast', sales of advanced tickets are up 40% from this time last year due to 'The Ashes' knock-on effect.
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Post by flashblade on Apr 17, 2015 9:21:49 GMT
What an awful shambles at Canterbury.
Quote: "If there is a 'plan b' then the planning refusal was not a "mortal blow", was it?"
I sympathise, BM, but I think this is just another example of the sort of hyperbole that gets trotted out these days. Like the misuse of the word "literally" as, for example "I was literally blown away . . .". This would be correct if one has been swept away by a tornado, but folks think its more emphatic to say literally when they mean figuratively.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 9:25:31 GMT
Bm, Frankly, it's a complete balls-up and handing over the Canterbury ground to the council and moving lock, stock and wicket to Beckenham grows more likely by the day.Agree, this looks a likely outcome and given Kent's past rich history and tradition, when Kent represented the heart of English cricket, it is also a sad expression of county cricket's demise. Although, good news that its lifeblood, the 'T20 Blast', sale of tickets are up 40% from this time last year. Yes, but the point is that when Kent "represented the heart of English cricket" they were not stuck out in the wilds of Canterbury, which is closer to France than it is to the heavily-populated metropolitan parts of the county in the London boroughs of Bromley and Bexley. They played one week at Canterbury in August and played the rest of their programme at Maidstone, T Wells, Dartford, Gillingham, Gravesend, Dover, Folkestone etc. Each venue had its sui generis audience which sustained Kent as one of the best followed counties in the championship. The decison to retreat to Canterbury was an isolationist disaster and it is probably not coincidental that after winning ten trophies in the 1970s, they've only won three in the last 35 years and over the last decade have the worst record of all 18 counties (including the likes of Leics, Derbys and Northants).
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Post by hhsussex on Apr 17, 2015 10:55:45 GMT
Bm, Frankly, it's a complete balls-up and handing over the Canterbury ground to the council and moving lock, stock and wicket to Beckenham grows more likely by the day.Agree, this looks a likely outcome and given Kent's past rich history and tradition, when Kent represented the heart of English cricket, it is also a sad expression of county cricket's demise. Although, good news that its lifeblood, the 'T20 Blast', sale of tickets are up 40% from this time last year. Yes, but the point is that when Kent "represented the heart of English cricket" they were not stuck out in the wilds of Canterbury, which is closer to France than it is to the heavily-populated metropolitan parts of the county in the London boroughs of Bromley and Bexley. They played one week at Canterbury in August and played the rest of their programme at Maidstone, T Wells, Dartford, Gillingham, Gravesend, Dover, Folkestone etc. Each venue had its sui generis audience which sustained Kent as one of the best followed counties in the championship.The decison to retreat to Canterbury was an isolationist disaster and it is probably not coincidental that after winning ten trophies in the 1970s, they've only won three in the last 35 years and over the last decade have the worst record of all 18 counties (including the likes of Leics, Derbys and Northants). And there is a very strong parallel with the state of Yorkshire cricket (a wholly owned subsidiary of CostCutter Enterprises), which used to have the strongest membership base in English cricket, playing at up to 8 grounds each season throughout that whole large county - now retreated to Headingley (aka the White Elephant of the North) and the annual week at Scarborough, which is still very strongly supported, something that comes as an embarrassment to the Cmmittee.
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