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Post by leedsgull on Mar 9, 2015 13:12:51 GMT
Gillespie would be mad to take the England job at this stage. I also doubt that he would want to manage against Australia in the summer. I think another Championship with Yorkshire would boost his CV better. On the wider picture I believe winning this match should do more for Bangladesh cricket than losing will damage English cricket.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 13:26:42 GMT
The genius that is Stuart Broad got this one right, at least. Back in January he said: “We would have to have an absolute stinker not to make the quarter finals.” And one who got it horribly wrong. This wishful thinking assessment of England from crincinfo on Jan 31: "While they might not have players with the records or talent of Kevin Pietersen and Graeme Swann, they do not have the burden of their history and expectation, either. They are unscarred, by success or failure, and they are, with a few exceptions, relishing their first experience of a major global event. The schedule will, in time, weary them all. But for now, they're living their dreams. These are their wonder years. Moores, in partnership with his avuncular assistant Paul Farbrace, has revived England. He has identified players - characters as much as cricketers - who he feels can lead the rebuilding. Players with no baggage from the past and no agenda for the future other than to play to the best of their ability. Pietersen's memorable description of Moores as "the woodpecker" - a maddening presence whose constant intrusion upon the players became an impediment - may have been true in 2007. But there is no evidence to support it now. With runs from Taylor, Buttler, Eoin Morgan and Ian Bell, with good spells from Woakes, Anderson, Moeen and Steven Finn, they have probably already gained more from this tri-series event than they could have expected. They're improving." |
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 9, 2015 13:28:22 GMT
Gillespie would be mad to take the England job at this stage. I also doubt that he would want to manage against Australia in the summer. I think another Championship with Yorkshire would boost his CV better. On the wider picture I believe winning this match should do more for Bangladesh cricket than losing will damage English cricket. I hope so. One of the discouraging items that emerged in this game was the rankings issue, that Bangladesh at present would have to qualify for the next World Cup whilst England would be assured of entry. That would be perverse and unjust. |
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 9, 2015 13:31:09 GMT
The genius that is Stuart Broad got this one right, at least. Back in January he said: “We would have to have an absolute stinker not to make the quarter finals.” And one who got it horribly wrong. This wishful thinking assessment of England from crincinfo on Jan 31: "While they might not have players with the records or talent of Kevin Pietersen and Graeme Swann, they do not have the burden of their history and expectation, either. They are unscarred, by success or failure, and they are, with a few exceptions, relishing their first experience of a major global event. The schedule will, in time, weary them all. But for now, they're living their dreams. These are their wonder years. Moores, in partnership with his avuncular assistant Paul Farbrace, has revived England. He has identified players - characters as much as cricketers - who he feels can lead the rebuilding. Players with no baggage from the past and no agenda for the future other than to play to the best of their ability. Pietersen's memorable description of Moores as "the woodpecker" - a maddening presence whose constant intrusion upon the players became an impediment - may have been true in 2007. But there is no evidence to support it now. With runs from Taylor, Buttler, Eoin Morgan and Ian Bell, with good spells from Woakes, Anderson, Moeen and Steven Finn, they have probably already gained more from this tri-series event than they could have expected. They're improving." The dodgy one seems to have enjoyed his time down under, filing rubbish reports, starting hares and making embarrassing videos. Meanwhile this lot are unscarred by success. , so he got it 50% right. |
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 9, 2015 14:00:57 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 14:04:48 GMT
Gillespie would be mad to take the England job at this stage. I also doubt that he would want to manage against Australia in the summer. I think another Championship with Yorkshire would boost his CV better. On the wider picture I believe winning this match should do more for Bangladesh cricket than losing will damage English cricket. You were right. Gillespie has just ruled himself out of contention for the job and committed himself 100 per cent to Yorkshire. It'll have to be Mark Robinson, then! In reality, I don't think it will be. Moores got the job because most of the top international coaches ruled themsleves out last year. And we know why: Kirsten and company probably make more from seven weeks in charge of an IPL franchise than they would make in a year coaching England. If Graves cannot coax Gillespie to take the job, I'd expect him to redouble the ECB's efforts to find another overseas coach with Graham Ford at Surrey near the top of the target list. Or perhaps Graves will let Moores lose to NZ and Australia this summer (because let's face it, whoever coaches England is not going to win the Ashes back any time soon) and then have another go at persuading Gillespie in the autumn, after he's won his second championship with Yorkshire. |
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Post by grandavefan on Mar 9, 2015 14:10:05 GMT
Moores should consider his position, now.
However he can only select what the counties give him?
I Look at the turgid, lifeless wickets provided. I Look at the teams selected. I see no imagination. Every other top country has a more than decent spin bowler. In CC cricket our coaches are ultra cautious and select batters who bowl. We need them to look at the bigger picture.
This defeat could set back cricket in England for a long time. No hero's anymore! We need some.
And I don't favour franchised cricket.
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 9, 2015 14:13:05 GMT
Gillespie would be mad to take the England job at this stage. I also doubt that he would want to manage against Australia in the summer. I think another Championship with Yorkshire would boost his CV better. On the wider picture I believe winning this match should do more for Bangladesh cricket than losing will damage English cricket. You were right. Gillespie has just ruled himself out of contention for the job and committed himself 100 per cent to Yorkshire. It'll have to be Mark Robinson, then! In reality, I don't think it will be. Moores only got the job because most of the top international coaches ruled themsleves out last year. Adn we know why: Kirsten and company probably make more from seven weeks in charge of an IPL franchise than they would make in a year coaching England. If Graves cannot coax Gillespie to take the job, I'd expect him to redouble the ECB's efforts to find another overseas coach with Graham Ford at Surrey near the top of the target list. Or perhaps Graves will let Moores lose to NZ and Australia this summer (because let's face whoever coaches England is not going to win the Ashes back any time soon) and then have another go at persuading Gillespie in the autumn, after he's won his second championship with Yorkshire. Agreed with all of that, except for the last sentence which should end "...have another go at persuading Gillespie in the autumn, after Yorkshire narrowly fail to retain the championship, coming second to a Sussex side whose exciting stroke play and depth of batting complemented a strong and experienced attack, bolstered by the return of Jordan and with the rapidly maturing and dangerous Mills, despite lacking a quality spin bowler." |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 14:16:59 GMT
Bob Willis just now on The Verdict: "Not a single England player would get into the sides of any of the big four, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and India. Not one of them."
Colville hoping to have an interview with Downton later in the show. What odds that he says something crass and idiotic that makes a bad situation worse?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 15:04:51 GMT
Quick summary of Downton’s interview:
THE EXCUSES: “We’re in a rebuilding phase. We haven’t had a settled side. We still haven’t found our best combinations but we have an exciting young group of players to work with”.
ON LEADERSHIP: “The captain has done a pretty good job, although we haven’t won games.”
Does he stand by his claim that Moores is the best coach of his generation? “I do. Absolutely.”
ON SELECTION POLICY: “Most of this side will be in the Champions Trophy in two years time. We need to bring in a couple of people, too.”
NEW PLAYERS: “We’ve already started looking at the next four years. We have a long list of 70 players.”
STRUCTURE OF DOMESTIC GAME : “A lot of our players don’t play much T20 cricket and the domestic structure puts the emphasis on Test cricket. Clearly that has to change.”
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Post by flashblade on Mar 9, 2015 15:22:41 GMT
Quick summary of Downton’s interview: THE EXCUSES: “We’re in a rebuilding phase. We haven’t had a settled side. We still haven’t found our best combinations but we have an exciting young group of players to work with”. ON LEADERSHIP: “The captain has done a pretty good job, although we haven’t won games.” Does he stand by his claim that Moores is the best coach of his generation? “I do. Absolutely.” ON SELECTION POLICY: “Most of this side will be in the Champions Trophy in two years time. We need to bring in a couple of people, too.” NEW PLAYERS: “We’ve already started looking at the next four years. We have a long list of 70 players.” STRUCTURE OF DOMESTIC GAME : “A lot of our players don’t play much T20 cricket and the domestic structure puts the emphasis on Test cricket. Clearly that has to change.”Absolutely key, IMO. Why, oh why, does it take the English establishment so long to admit that it's still in the last century? And it's all so re-active. Why are we never ahead of the game, like certain other countries? |
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Mar 9, 2015 15:25:09 GMT
It'll have to be Mark Robinson, then!
Aggers and others are calling for an overseas coach. Mark Robinson leaving Sussex now would be a disaster. The night of the long
knives must surely come. I hope Colin Graves is ready at the anvil.
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Post by mrsdoyle on Mar 9, 2015 16:25:26 GMT
Lolololololololol
Is this what we wrecked the tradition of the Ashes for?
I said to my kids I really hoped Bangladesh would beat us, my eldest said I was being unpatriotic, au contraire, I want to take the ECB and shake it until it's teeth rattle and this, hopefully is a start.
We had better watch out, if the number of teams in the next World Cup is restricted it is England who might find themselves without a place, it shouldn't just be Test playing nations taking part but those with a pedigree in one day stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 16:33:52 GMT
Peter Moores has just said "We thought 275 was chaseable. We'll have to look at the data." Helpful as ever, the Dail Mail suggests the data Peter Moores needs to look at: 90 - the amount of runs captain Eoin Morgan scored in five innings at the World Cup 12.2 - the overs it took for New Zealand to beat England's total of 123 in their second group game. 111 - Australia's margin of victory in the opening game of the tournament 654 - total of runs scored by Australia and Sri Lanka against England 1 - number of centuries scored by an England batsman against Test playing nations 72 - number of runs scored by Sri Lanka off the bowling of Chris Woakes 0 - number of wins registered by England over Test playing nations in the tournament 0 - the number of centuries scored by a Bangladesh batsman in a World Cup before playing England on Monday. 37.4-1-234-5 - Chris Woakes's tournament bowling figures. 49 - the amount of runs Steven Finn went for in two overs against New Zealand. |
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Post by hhsussex on Mar 9, 2015 16:38:28 GMT
An excellent piece by the renowned man of letters Keith Flett here Articles Gramsci & the crisis in English cricket ; I particularly like his summary that "The English team has a core of young-ish good Test players and a rather larger group of good County players who may sometimes be good at International level depending on conditions, opponents and their own form." |
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