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Post by jonboy on Dec 17, 2015 16:00:06 GMT
Does this mean we have confirmation that Steve Magoffin's passport has managed to beat the Christmas post backlog?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 17, 2015 16:36:18 GMT
Jb, Reckon so. Meanwhile, Sussex CCC are desperately trying to find a batting coach who could be deemed better than Chris Adams. The PCA tweeted this afternoon: SussexCCC extend deadline for batting and Second XI coaching vacancy. Is this taking due diligence to the other extreme after the in-house appointment of Mark Davis? Still no advertising for the 'Director of Sussex Cricket' post. I shall remain with my Keith Greenfield call for now. Which may mean 2 in-house appointments to 1 outside. And with 'Star Wars' mania sweeping the globe, what about our own Sky 'may the force' Walker?
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Post by flashblade on Dec 17, 2015 18:26:32 GMT
Jb, Reckon so. Meanwhile, Sussex CCC are desperately trying to find a batting coach who could be deemed better than Chris Adams. The PCA tweeted this afternoon: SussexCCC extend deadline for batting and Second XI coaching vacancy. Is this taking due diligence to the other extreme after the in-house appointment of Mark Davis? Still no advertising for the 'Director of Sussex Cricket' post. I shall remain with my Keith Greenfield call for now. Which may mean 2 in-house appointments to 1 outside. And with 'Star Wars' mania sweeping the globe, what about our own Sky 'may the force' Walker? I suppose the lack of advertising may mean that they know who the candidates are, but haven't yet made up their minds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 19:14:51 GMT
SussexCCC extend deadline for batting and Second XI coaching vacancy. Is this taking due diligence to the other extreme after the in-house appointment of Mark Davis? Everyone in cricket knows Sussex is an incestuous 'family club' that only appoints from within, so apart from the desperate Grizzly no serious candidates bothered to apply? Which is why the club shoud have used a headhunting agency - not that it did Essex much good when they ended up paying out a huge fee to Oggers Berendtson and still appointed an internal applicant! If as you predict, Sussex give the DoC job to Greenfield without advertising the post, that will render Sussex a laughing stock, regressing to the blazered pre-revolutuionary days of 1997 as Jim May turns into the very thing he was rebelling against...
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Post by flashblade on Dec 17, 2015 19:28:13 GMT
SussexCCC extend deadline for batting and Second XI coaching vacancy. Is this taking due diligence to the other extreme after the in-house appointment of Mark Davis? Everyone in cricket knows Sussex is an incestuous 'family club' that only appoints from within, so apart from the desperate Grizzly no serious candidates bothered to apply? Which is why the club shoud have used a headhunting agency - not that it did Essex much good when they ended up paying out a huge fee to Oggers Berendtson and still appointed an internal applicant! If as you predict, Sussex give the DoC job to Greenfield without advertising the post, that will render Sussex a laughing stock, regressing to the blazered pre-revolutuionary days of 1997 as Jim May turns into the very thing he was rebelling against...Not uncommon when rebels take over the reigns of power - they eventually become 'establishment'. When those in power run out of steam, they don't always volunteer to make way for new blood! Where are the new rebels?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 19, 2015 15:23:43 GMT
CALLING IAN WARING - CALLING IAN WARING! _________________________________________________________The shout is out to Sussex CCC 'Operations and Facilities' manager, Ian Waring - the man who decides if the Hove ground promotes a music concert for 2016 - the man responsible for organising last summer's successful 'Madness' appearance. It seems there is a golden nugget ready to be unwrapped but do Sussex CCC know about this opportunity yet? The man who claims he has slept with over 1,000 women!A mega rock band will be in the middle of a 30th anniversary World Tour during 2016 - none other than 'Simply Red' - and like 'Madness' last year, the group's management, allegedly, are seeking to fill their summer schedule with the promise of taking on the promotional financial risks while Sussex CCC would gain a ground rental fee and the vendor stall hire revenues. Looking at the present band dates, there are similar names to the Madness Tour. Cricket grounds already booked include Kent CCC, Glamorgan and Durham along with a slew of racecourses. Surely, Sussex, this is your chance to end 'Holding Back the Years' and if 'The Money's too Tight to Mention', 'Do the Right Thing', anyway. (Sorry - couldn't resist!)
www.stubhub.co.uk/simply-red-tickets/creative=61542480078&keyword=142379535_c&gcid=C12289B333 www.glamorgancricket.com/news/5735.php#.VnV6PrTpHHg
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 21, 2015 18:09:10 GMT
'A Merry Soupcon of a Sussex CCC True Tale involving a Very Famous Aussie Cricketer to Titillate the Christmas Cheer'
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While having a Christmas drink at ‘The Cricketers Pub’ this week, my small group of desperadoes were joined by two ladies enjoying the festive spirit. One, who looked like a younger version of Agnetha Fältskog from Abba, regaled a merry tale of glad tidings concerning a certain Dennis Lillee when he was with the Australian touring side that played Sussex in the mid 1980s. The Smitten LilleeOur lady, let us call her Noel, lived in one of the flats in the apartment block overlooking the ground at the sea end. At the close of day 2, she looked out of her window only to see Dennis Lillee beneath her rudely brushing aside a crowd of young boys seeking his autograph. “Oy!” shouted Noel. “Don’t be such a bully and sign their autograph books.” So shocked was the macho Aussie by this daring young British Sheila, that he immediately stopped and signed for all the boys. “Who are you?” asked a quizzical Lillee eyeing her flowing blond locks . “Can I come up and see you?” “Only if you can find my door,” replied a coy Noel. Ten minutes later, the doorbell rang and at the door stood the moustached Lillee. He had a personal kit man by his side holding an enormous holdall. “Can I come in?” he smiled with an air of the Australian bush. Noel let the two men in whence Lillee grabbed for his holdall and produced a clutch of beers. In fact, the entire bag was full of bottles. NoelAfter enjoying some bevies during which time the entire Australian team were sitting in their coach waiting for Lillee to appear, he said to Noel. “Let me give you my autograph.” “I’m not interested,” she immediately responded. “But you can sign one for my sister. She understands cricket far better than I do.” Not to be outdone by this, the smitten Lillee went into his inside jacket pocket and produced two tickets for an impending Test at ‘Lord’s’. “Please come and say hello after the day’s play,” smiled the Dennis. Needless to say, Noel did go to Lord’s to watch a day’s play but never ventured into the Australian dressing-room afterwards. Perhaps, one of only a few women who stood up Dennis Lillee in the days of his pomp.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 22, 2015 16:18:02 GMT
Ian Waring has kindly responded to my post about 'Simply Red'. It is not the reply one had hoped and therefore is rather disappointing. It appears, for the various reasons Waring offers below, music concerts at Hove may be an unusual event rather than the annual norm like some other county grounds. (Given the length of Waring's response I have slightly shortened it.) ‘Who we getting next year?’ This is a question I am frequently asked in November/December as cricket fixtures have been confirmed and next summer’s concerts are being announced and go on sale, as concert promoters hastily try to get their routes and venues finalised in time to go on sale in time for the Christmas market period. However, we are not in the fortunate position of being able to make our selection from plenty of options that would all guarantee to generate revenue for both the promoters and Sussex CCC, if only that were the case. Very few realistic options are available, (artist’s and our venue’s availability have to coincide during the peak season for both) and would they actually work for many other reasons; licensing, sufficient sales to cover their costs, etc. Unlike some venues Sussex CCC act as host venue only, not sole, or joint promoters. This is why I am usually the first point of contact, (rather than The Commercial dept) re concerts, as operational details are usually the key requirements for the promoters. I am aware that some other venues and county clubs operate differently, some of whom risk investing cash into concerts, but I think there are very few, if any now, that continue to do so. It is the promoters that provide the initial drive that may ultimately result in a concert at Sussex CCC. Everybody seems to have their own favourite artists, and frequently do let us know, and because they happen to really like them think they would be a great attraction at Sussex CCC, and they can’t understand why their ideas are not pursued by Sussex CCC or the promoters. One has to disregard how wonderful they may sound to them personally but study the facts of ‘realistic’ projected sales against projected costs, even the final costs can’t be fixed due to the unforeseen in staging outdoor events, very worrying when the profit margins are already so narrow. That is if the facts can be obtained from trusted expert sources, as it’s a very competitive, tough business. We are fortunate to have contacts in the industry that are able to very accurately project likely sales income for any artist in any venue, only a very few cause an interesting, challenging discussion for them. This usually pours very cold water on most of the bright ideas - having a home in Sussex doesn’t necessarily mean the international artist is keen to perform to their near neighbours when the indoor, (and this fact is important) O2 arena and Wembley stadium are only 50 miles away. Even when approached to host a concert we will not accept all offers, even those with no financial risk to us. Some artists and their following are not suitable for our location and dismissed immediately, we have to consider our reputation, and for us to receive a worthwhile sum of money, (giving up the ground for other events for 8-10 days), the event has to sell well beyond the promoters break even figure, and this is where our trusted experts sales projections help. How a venue’s overall final income is derived does vary, but it is highly likely to be based on a minimum rental fee and then actual final ticket sales and a percentage of catering/merchandise takings can boost this up further. The Brighton Centre also stage concerts regularly, sales from these are very good local indicators for projected sales at our venue. The artist you mentioned being a good example as they were at The Brighton Centre recently. Good promoters would have been monitoring these sales carefully before deciding where, if anywhere, to invest in staging further shows with this artist next summer. Even with their experience and knowledge even the promoters (who are taking all the risks and work on fine margins) do get it wrong but they still have many people who will have been paid upfront when commitments had to be made, well before the promoters can take their share, (that is if there is anything remaining for them), hence they are very reluctant to make a rash speculative offer to an artist and a venue. Not many promoters have managed to survive in the industry for more than ten years. The County Ground, Hove is well known to all of the major concert promoters, either by past experiences of successfully staging concerts here or by site visits, and we don’t let them forget us! Like all others venues we recognise we have strengths and weaknesses and our own niche that is likely to work best. There is no point in convincing a naïve promoter the event will work at Sussex CCC just for short term gain, if we know it won’t. Sussex CCC’s reputation must remain intact long after the promoters and one brief concert has gone. There at least four alternative and proven venues, indoor and outdoor, that can accommodate between 1,500 to 35,000 within just 5 miles of here. Whereas, some of the other counties, (Kent, Somerset, Durham, etc) do not have anything like this level of competition. Sales are often disproportionately higher in these outlying regions, than those close to major cities. We do have a very good reputation for staging events safely and efficiently, supporting the production companies beyond the norm, outdoor concerts are logistically very complex and difficult to stage. However, ultimately it comes down to a promotor finding a suitable artist that’s available and that they are willing to risk a substantial amount of their cash on, then choosing Sussex CCC ahead of the other four local options and finally Sussex CCC being available for up to 10 days on the few dates available in the busy summer programme, (there is a lot of other important cricket at The County Ground that is not on the main fixture list) thus many ‘depends’ have to all come together. We still have one current enquiry live for 2016 that would probably work well at Sussex CCC, and we do have a short window available to match their dates, but of course they would probably also sell well at many other venues, who are also waiting and hoping for the promoters to make a positive confirmation. It’s a tough industry and maybe the first we will know it’s not happening here is when a promoter is advertising the same artist on sale at another venue on the same date - a very public rejection ! until then it remains a hope, and hopefully more opportunities will appear after the new year. Unfortunately for these reasons we shouldn’t consider a concert at Sussex CCC an annual event, and there may not be a concert at Sussex CCC in 2016, or even 2017, but it won’t be through a lack of us trying, or awareness of options, we and others on our behalf are constantly striving to deliver an enjoyable concert that generates income for the club and promoters and one that has added to our reputation and trust within our local authority and near neighbours. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 22, 2015 16:37:46 GMT
What one earth was all that about? Sounds like "it's all a bit too difficult".
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Post by flashblade on Dec 22, 2015 17:03:01 GMT
Has Ian Waring nothing better to do than write long detailed responses to S&F by return of post?!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 22, 2015 17:36:39 GMT
Hhs, I tend to agree. I understand Waring's arguments up to a point but... Perhaps, caution is a better approach after the financially disastrous McFly and Rat Pack concerts back in 2007. That event must still have a detrimental effect on club decision-making and still makes one cringe given it was a two-day event in July with McFly on the Saturday and 'Rat Pack' on the Sunday. To this day, the losses have been a closely guarded secret but on Sunday, from all accounts, even a tumbleweed would have been welcome. Of course, concert promoting is a high risk venture as Waring points out, so given all the competition within a 50 mile radius, why not change tack altogether and promote an annual weekend of summer comedy at the ground, supported by the 'Komedia'. This would be a perfect fit for the City. There is Edinburgh, Leicester and Kilkenny. Why not the 'Sussex CCC Festival of Comedy'. This has a certain ring to it, although not a good time, perhaps, when the team has just been relegated and the coach has walked out. Fb, Offer the man some Xmas cheer. At least, he had the decency to take the time and trouble to write a lengthy response. I just wish the club could be a little more daring at times whether it be music concerts or upping the so-called T20 full house from 5,000 to 6,000 people. As a point of fact, any mention of 7,000 being the ground's official full-house, should be erased from the record books.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:25:05 GMT
"Everybody seems to have their own favourite artists, and frequently do let us know, and because they happen to really like them think they would be a great attraction at Sussex CCC, and they can’t understand why their ideas are not pursued by Sussex CCC or the promoters. One has to disregard how wonderful they may sound to them personally but study the facts of ‘realistic’ projected sales against projected costs..."
What a patronising response.
It's nothing to do with "everybody seems to have their own favourite artists." I frigging hate Simply Red and I interviewed Mick Hucknall once and he was an absolute knob. But staging a concert by an act with a huge following seems like a good idea and the other county cricket grounds which are acting as venues on the Simply Red tour would appear to agree. s&f posed a perfectly reasonable question - and in return he got a load of prolix posturing from Waring, the line and length of which was as crap as his bowling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 19:56:19 GMT
The one reasoned argument Waring makes is that Simply Red recently played the Brighton Centre. That would certainly militate against their return to the town next summer.
But otherwise there is some utter nonsense in his reply to s&f.
"Not many promoters have managed to survive in the industry for more than ten years."
Sorry but that proves that he doesn't know what he is talking about. Most of the big promoters from the 1980s are still big today such as Vince Power and Harvey Goldsmith (although both have gone bust and then re-emerged). Then there was my good friend Paul King, who started out in the late 1970s promoting The Police, and who went bust twice AND went to prison but bounced back and was still promoting the likes of Rod Stewart until October, when sadly I was called upon to write his obit in The Times.
My even closer friend Rob Hallett was until recently president of AEG, where he was Simply Red's promoter. Rob has been a promoter for 35 years (he started out in the early 1980s with Duran Duran) and is still in the business - as are AEG who continue to promote Simply Red.
All Waring needed to say was "Simply Red aren't going to play Brighton twice in nine months". Fair point. The rest is waffle.
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Post by hhsussex on Dec 23, 2015 8:13:49 GMT
Hhs, I tend to agree. I understand Waring's arguments up to a point but... Perhaps, caution is a better approach after the financially disastrous McFly and Rat Pack concerts back in 2007. That event must still have a detrimental effect on club decision-making and still makes one cringe given it was a two-day event in July with McFly on the Saturday and 'Rat Pack' on the Sunday. To this day, the losses have been a closely guarded secret but on Sunday, from all accounts, even a tumbleweed would have been welcome. Of course, concert promoting is a high risk venture as Waring points out, so given all the competition within a 50 mile radius, why not change tack altogether and promote an annual weekend of summer comedy at the ground, supported by the 'Komedia'. This would be a perfect fit for the City. There is Edinburgh, Leicester and Kilkenny. Why not the 'Sussex CCC Festival of Comedy'. This has a certain ring to it, although not a good time, perhaps, when the team has just been relegated and the coach has walked out. Fb, Offer the man some Xmas cheer. At least, he had the decency to take the time and trouble to write a lengthy response. I just wish the club could be a little more daring at times whether it be music concerts or upping the so-called T20 full house from 5,000 to 6,000 people. As a point of fact, any mention of 7,000 being the ground's official full-house, should be erased from the record books. "This is why I am usually the first point of contact, (rather than The Commercial dept) re concerts, as operational details are usually the key requirements for the promoters."
And with those two quotes, your's and Waring's, that illustrates the difference between a commercial, adventurous approach and a negative, operational view. Have you tried talking to Tony Cottey about these opportunities , s and f?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Dec 23, 2015 10:42:10 GMT
I certainly don't feel as strongly as Bm about Waring's response. I understand his logic up to a point.
I have never been a music promoter but know people who have, and it's a tough business full of high risk.
To repeat given the major competition in a 50 mile radius why not change tack. Ideally the club would create an annual event which can grow year on year and why I suggest a comedy festival. I am sure there are other ventures that could be pursued too.
By holding music concerts on an infrequent basis makes no sense to me. Particularly one which may only bring in no-more than £20k. You need to start an entertainment venture which you can develop and grow.
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