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Post by irishexile on Nov 8, 2017 13:43:47 GMT
We largely agree S&F - he does tick most of the boxes. The reality will be whether, as a result of a robust recruitment process, that is enough to get him across the line, or whether another applicant ticks more of those boxes.
The elephant in the room will be finances - can the club afford to pay for the calibre of coach they might want, or will they have to compromise skill sets for affordability. Hopefully the recruitment process will begin very shortly.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 8, 2017 14:53:47 GMT
ie, My understanding is that there will be little, if any, new player recruitment over the Winter, which means that with no Magoffin or Nash, there might be as much as an annual £250,000 saved that could go towards the new coach's salary. This would make the position a lot more attractive for the very top people. As you mentioned earlier, no one would have guessed Rob Andrew as the new CEO, so who knows about the new Head Coach? Clive Woodward, perhaps?
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 8, 2017 15:03:53 GMT
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 8, 2017 15:12:26 GMT
hhs, I take your point, so I will rephrase my previous comment to, "It is highly likely we will see a return of Chris Adams to Sussex 'in some coaching role capacity.'" While, I understand your anti-Adams views alongside flashblade and irishexile, I would suggest they are a minority viewpoint. After chatting to Members and supporters since the summer of 2015, it's become clear to me that a majority of Sussex supporters would like to see a return of Adams "in some capacity." Who would you choose, for example? Matthew Maynard or Chris Adams? Surely, there is an obvious answer. For Rob Andrew, the choice of Adams is a no-brainer. First, he would endear himself to a majority of club supporters and secondly, all the experience of Adams' previous Sussex successes will immediately re-energise and transform the present club culture from not knowing how to win to remembering how to win. Not forgetting, of course, our most senior player, Luke Wright, wants a return of Adams. Agreed, some boardroom members would not be happy with a Grizz arrival, but these are the same people who chose Mark Davis over Adams in 2015 and two years on their credibility is now damaged. The only way to move this debate on, is to find out which cricket coaches are presently available to apply for the Sussex job. If someone has the time, a trawl of the internet might come up with some potential candidates. Meanwhile, I have still not discovered any advert for a new Sussex CCC Head Coach. Unfortunately your post shows that you don't take my point at all. I'm not necessarily arguing against Adams per se, but trying to point out that it may not be a simple binary exercise of awarding the available funds to one from a beauty contest of managerial coaches. Simnply having a good coach is not a guarantee of success in itself, it needs to be in partnership with a coherent management structure, a healthy and positive culture, and with a strong and developing playing squad with good succession programmes in place to cover for injury, loss of form and intenrational calls. Its actually a nexus of different skills and requirements, some of which Adams might be good at, others of which he has no control over. A strategic change is what I am suggesting, and a coach is just a part of this structure. As to your "no brainer" argument, "..endear[ing] himself to a majority of club supporters.." might be quite a pleassdant bonus but it wouldn't matter if they couldn't stand to see or hear him if he was successful. And "....the experience of ...previous Sussex suvccesses..." doesn't gurantee anything other than once, a long time ago now, he worked with a talented team with talented managers and that long ago team was successful. That's all it does, it doesn't galvanise or energise or motivate, in fact it might even get up the noses of quite a few of the current talented team to hear this old has-been wittering on about his glory days!
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 8, 2017 15:17:35 GMT
Many congratulations to Sussex CCC for a successfully held charity event at the Tower of London recently. It was an invite-only, £150 a head, 3 course meal and the star of the show was ECB Director of England Cricket, Andrew Strauss, who gave a talk followed by a Q&A session. I am told that various questions about Ben Stokes were skilfully fielded by Strauss in a diplomatic way that only Lord Brocket can achieve. Did you know: It was Marcus Trescothick who coined the nickname 'Lord Brocket' because of Strauss's supposed resemblance to the buffoonish playboy who once appeared on 'I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!' Meanwhile, a fair five figure sum was raised from the charity event including deliverance of a robust charity auction. Guess who won the 'Heads or Tails' competition? Go on have a guess... Yep, Rob Andrew. Lucky or what? www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/hire-a-venue/dinners-and-receptions/#gs.dRb_YU4
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Post by jonboy on Nov 8, 2017 16:11:26 GMT
ie, My understanding is that there will be little, if any, new player recruitment over the Winter, which means that with no Magoffin or Nash, there might be as much as an annual £250,000 saved that could go towards the new coach's salary. This would make the position a lot more attractive for the very top people. As you mentioned earlier, no one would have guessed Rob Andrew as the new CEO, so who knows about the new Head Coach? Clive Woodward, perhaps? Having lost, Philander, Shahzad, Machan, Magoffin, and now Nash, from our squad last season, and replaced them with Burgess and young Haines, there damn well ought to be some serious recruitment You can’t lose that much experience and quality from the squad without there being a detrimental effect
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 8, 2017 16:16:18 GMT
hhs, As I repeatedly say, who is available to become the Sussex CCC Head Coach? A quick look at former International coaches and now such esteemed people are raking in the money doing a comfy job as a once a year T20 Franchise team Head Man. Can you blame them? For example, Tom Moody and Andy Flower are involved with the 'Pakistan Super League' whilst John Wright is ensconced with the IPL alongside the up and coming Stephen Fleming. I have no idea what has happened to Duncan Fletcher, while Gary Kirsten is busy with his cricketing Academies. But my research does suggest Dav Whatmore is available after being sacked by Zimbabwe last year. And, perhaps, John Buchanan is around, although, I question whether any former International Coach would even consider coming to England and lead a Division 2 side even if the money is lucrative. As for county cricket coaches, again, I question who is available and who can tick more boxes than Chris Adams. It seems to me more and more counties go in-house (eg. Ian Westwood at Warwickshire) or look towards former top players (Paul Nixon at Leicestershire). While, the most promising county coaches are snapped up by the ECB eg. Chris Silverwood. You write, "A strategic change is what I am suggesting, and a coach is just a a part of this structure." Perhaps, Sussex should sack Keith Greenfield, Michael Yardy and Carl Hopkinson while they're at it, and completely overhaul the present 'jobs for the boys' system? The reality is, unless Rob Andrew goes completely left-field and radical by appointing a Coach from outside of cricket, I question whether there is the quality and experience for Sussex to choose from, particularly when Essex as a Division 1 side are seeking, no doubt, a similar top leader. And why Chris Adams is such a strong candidate. PS: That's Matthew Maynard now out of the equation. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41892884
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 8, 2017 18:37:01 GMT
jb,
Having lost, Philander, Shahzad, Machan, Magoffin, and now Nash, from our squad last season, and replaced them with Burgess and young Haines, there damn well ought to be some serious recruitment You can’t lose that much experience and quality from the squad without there being a detrimental effect
Perhaps, one new batsman over the Winter? I am told on good authority that there will be little or no recruitment this time around, particularly when all the emphasis is now on the youngsters. Meanwhile, van Zyl proved a great success, Laurie Evans not so, while David Wiese still has more to prove.
With no Nash this gives opportunities to Rawlins, Salt and Finch. No Magoffin allows more youngster seamers chances to prove themselves. Unfortunately or fortunately, given your perspective, Sussex have made a decision. They are investing in and gambling on future success through the youngsters. It worked for Surrey, so let us hope it works for Sussex.
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Post by jonboy on Nov 8, 2017 21:48:34 GMT
jb, Having lost, Philander, Shahzad, Machan, Magoffin, and now Nash, from our squad last season, and replaced them with Burgess and young Haines, there damn well ought to be some serious recruitment You can’t lose that much experience and quality from the squad without there being a detrimental effectPerhaps, one new batsman over the Winter? I am told on good authority that there will be little or no recruitment this time around, particularly when all the emphasis is now on the youngsters. Meanwhile, van Zyl proved a great success, Laurie Evans not so, while David Wiese still has more to prove. With no Nash this gives opportunities to Rawlins, Salt and Finch. No Magoffin allows more youngster seamers chances to prove themselves. Unfortunately or fortunately, given your perspective, Sussex have made a decision. They are investing in and gambling on future success through the youngsters. It worked for Surrey, so let us hope it works for Sussex. You are closer to things than me, so I’m not doubting that may be the clubs thinking That would be disappointing if this was the outcome, and may rule out Chris Adams as coach. Chris strikes me as an ambitious man, who wouldn’t willingly settle for mediocrity Also, would the attributes he might bring to the club, be what was needed, if that was the direction we took
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Post by lovelyboy on Nov 8, 2017 22:05:59 GMT
jb, Having lost, Philander, Shahzad, Machan, Magoffin, and now Nash, from our squad last season, and replaced them with Burgess and young Haines, there damn well ought to be some serious recruitment You can’t lose that much experience and quality from the squad without there being a detrimental effectPerhaps, one new batsman over the Winter? I am told on good authority that there will be little or no recruitment this time around, particularly when all the emphasis is now on the youngsters. Meanwhile, van Zyl proved a great success, Laurie Evans not so, while David Wiese still has more to prove. With no Nash this gives opportunities to Rawlins, Salt and Finch. No Magoffin allows more youngster seamers chances to prove themselves. Unfortunately or fortunately, given your perspective, Sussex have made a decision. They are investing in and gambling on future success through the youngsters. It worked for Surrey, so let us hope it works for Sussex. In that case let's hope they use the mountains of cash they've saved on player salaries to reduce membership and ticket prices. Otherwise there are going to be some very low crowds next season
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 10, 2017 11:41:03 GMT
Sussex CCC recently appointed media officer, Sam Keir, has settled in well to the job and is now showing flare and imagination with his tweets and articles. First, Sam is developing the WINTER WATCH idea, first started by his predecessor Adam Matthews, which lets supporters know how Sussex players are fairing overseas during the Winter months. He is turning this into a weekly series. An excellent move given how growing numbers of Sussex cricketers are playing abroad. Already, both Luke Wright and Jofra Archer are making an impression on the Bangladesh Premier League. Luke has scored a first 50 for his side 'Rajshahi Kings', while Jofra playing in the 'Khulna Titans' has quickly found his stride and taking wickets including that of the big-hitting West Indian batsman, Kieron Pollard. Meanwhile, I enjoyed Sam's tweet from yesterday. Sussex CCCAfter a well-deserved break, the squad have been back in training at the Aerotron Indoor School today.Who can you spot? Have some fun and have a go. There are eleven players to name. If I was Will Beer and had to pick up that weight in that position, I would break my back!
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Post by hhsussex on Nov 10, 2017 16:27:31 GMT
Sussex CCC recently appointed media officer, Sam Keir, has settled in well to the job and is now showing flare and imagination with his tweets and articles. First, Sam is developing the WINTER WATCH idea, first started by his predecessor Adam Matthews, which lets supporters know how Sussex players are fairing overseas during the Winter months. He is turning this into a weekly series. An excellent move given how growing numbers of Sussex cricketers are playing abroad. Already, both Luke Wright and Jofra Archer are making an impression on the Bangladesh Premier League. Luke has scored a first 50 for his side 'Rajshahi Kings', while Jofra playing in the 'Khulna Titans' has quickly found his stride and taking wickets including that of the big-hitting West Indian batsman, Kieron Pollard. Meanwhile, I enjoyed Sam's tweet from yesterday. Sussex CCCAfter a well-deserved break, the squad have been back in training at the Aerotron Indoor School today.Who can you spot? Have some fun and have a go. There are eleven players to name. If I was Will Beer and had to pick up that weight in that position, I would break my back! It is fair to say that you could fare a lot further and find less flair than you will see by the flare that illuminates this piece. #sendsubstohelpfluffyappeal
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 10, 2017 16:39:28 GMT
hhs, Unfortunately, apart from Luke Wells, all the top Sussex players are overseas either playing in T20 Franchise tournaments, enjoying club cricket or attending cricket Academies. I am not sure what you would call this 'left behind at home' group? So, you make a 'flare' point.
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 13, 2017 10:50:42 GMT
What a lovely story and what the BBC Website are best at. Did you know that England's Coach, Trevor Bayliss, was an estate agent before taking on our country's top job. Seriously! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41917102
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Post by Wicked Cricket on Nov 13, 2017 14:15:49 GMT
I am not a regular reader of the Daily Mail but this feature caught my eye on the great Windies Sir Wes Hall - one of the knighthoods that Boycott alluded to when he recently made that infamous comment, "I'll need to black my face up." It is a delightful sentimental piece on Hall returning to his beloved Accrington CC and when you throw in 'Bumble' for good measure well worth a read. As a 1960s boy, the West Indian opening pair of Hall and Griffiths are indelibly marked on my then innocent and malleable psyche.
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